The way the Fillibuster has been used by the Republicans this year is not what it was intended for. It's being used to stop EVERYTHING; it's mere threat..."/>
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Do away with the Fillibuster?
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:47 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:56 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:59 AM
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BYTEMITE
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:20 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:34 AM
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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:48 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: The way the Fillibuster has been used by the Republicans this year is not what it was intended for....So, is there anything that can be done?...But if it's left as it is, what I see is the potential for every minority party in the future bringing the wheels of government to a grinding halt by threat of filibuster. Whaddya think?
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:59 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:09 AM
Quote:In the modern filibuster, the senators trying to block a vote do not have to hold the floor and continue to speak as long as there is a quorum. In the past, when one senator became exhausted, another would need to take over to continue the filibuster. Ultimately, the filibuster could be exhausted by a majority who would even sleep in cots outside the Senate Chamber to exhaust the filibusterers. Today, the minority just advises the majority leader that the filibuster is on. All debate on the bill is stopped until either cloture is voted by three-fifths (now 60 votes) of the Senate. In the 2007-08 session of Congress, Republicans forced 112 cloture votes, nearly doubling the Democrats' record when they were in the minority. Filibuster was invoked sparingly in less partisan times – an average of once a year in the 1950s, but 139 times by Republicans in 2008.
Quote:In the 1950s, the number of cloture motions filed (a proxy for the number of filibusters) averaged one per Congress. By the 93rd Congress (1973-75) that number had jumped to 44. By the 110th Congress (2007-09) it had risen to 139, a record that the 111th Congress (2009-present) is on track to match. Today it is an accepted fact of life that the Senate can't pass any major legislation without 60 votes. But as recently as two decades ago, all it usually needed was 51. In the January/February Atlantic, James Fallows writes that this change "converts the Senate from the 'saucer' George Washington called it, in which scalding ideas from the more temperamental House might 'cool,' into a deep freeze and a dead weight." The most widely cited enabler for the recent acceleration was a 1975 Senate rule change—one that, coming at a time when filibusters were on the rise, sought to reduce them by lowering the cloture requirement from 67 to 60 votes. But this fix (combined with a less widely cited earlier procedural change made in 1961) inadvertently increased the filibuster's use by ushering in the so-called "procedural" filibuster, a sort of filibuster-lite that allowed the minority to block legislation without a dissenting senator's having to speechify himself hoarse. In recent years, the worst abusers have been Republicans.
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RUE
I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:36 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:37 AM
Quote:The Democrats used it to block Bush Judicial nominations.
Quote:By their signatures, the seven Democrats who signed the memorandum agreed that for the remainder of this year and during 2006, “Nominees [to federal judgeships] should only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances, and each signatory must use his or her own discretion and judgment in determining whether such circumstances exist.” In return, the seven Republicans pledged not to vote for the rules change (to get rid of the filibuster) while the agreement remains in force.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:38 AM
Quote:And that doesn't mean the government taking control of a private sector enterprise either
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:39 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:42 AM
Quote:Yes, and Bush nonetheless got more of his nominations passed than pretty much any President in history. [....]at that time, the compromise was reached because the REPUBLICANS were fighting to get rid of the filibuster.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:43 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:45 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:50 AM
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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:02 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:05 AM
Quote:Gallup poll finds 56% of Americans in favor and 33% opposed to Congress' passing major healthcare reform legislation this year.
Quote:A new poll finds that 59 percent of the populace supports the inclusion of a public option, which would compete in the marketplace with private insurers. Only 29 percent opposed it, signaling an unusually high 30-point favorable rating.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: "Cause, you know... the Washington Post is as fair and as balanced as Fox News." Of course there was that ABC report where 62 % favored it that was mentioned in the quote. But I forgot myself ... you don't know how to read very well. (And heaven help us, you actually think you're teaching others how to read.) So, for people who DO know how to read: June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 ... (New York Times/CBS News poll) 78% percent said that a pubic option was either extremely important of very important. (Survey USA) 60% said they wanted a public option under any healthcare reform legislation. (Thompson Reuters Survey) 76% said a public option was either extremely or quite important. (Wall Street Journal) I'm betting that Wulfie won't be able to read this either, btw. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:10 AM
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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: "No, Wulf, I'm disgusted by visigoths who have no ability to debate civilly nor have any decent arguments to put forth, so resort to the most childish form of petty personal attacks. You didn't destroy any argument, you just proved you have nothing to contribute and are a baby. You do it all the time; go play with your fantasy heroes, like I said, and let the adults discuss adult things." Lol Was it the BiPolar thing? It was, wasn't it? Caught you good and proper in the bullshit you tell yourself and you can't take it. So, while you may be ok with some Big Daddy government taking care of you... us ADULTS, who can take care of ourselves just fine thanks, dont need YOUR opinion.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:16 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:17 AM
Quote:the Democrats WILL be out of power at some point
Quote:it's been ramping up and the abuse has become more widespread,
Quote:Was it the BiPolar thing? It was, wasn't it?
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:18 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: Jong I'm not sure what you're trying to say. People really did vote for hope and change. That Obama and the democrats blew it big time with business as usual is no news to anyone. When it comes to health care reform, support dropped as the public option was dropped. That is also no news to anyone. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:25 AM
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Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by rue: "... but generally Rassmussen is the most accurate ..." Actually, 538 was most accurate. *************************************************************** Silence is consent.
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:35 AM
Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:37 AM
Quote:While the fillibuster in theory might provide time for reflection on hasty legislation, in practice a small minority can block necessary legislation. Wielded with malice, it is a powerful tool for obstructionists who only want to make the 'other side' lose.
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