Okay, Now Obama oficially sucks... by chrisisall

Just move to India chris

India announces first manned space mission

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8483787.stm

India's space agency has said it will launch its first manned mission to space in 2016.

A senior official of the Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro) in Bangalore said that two astronauts would take part.

"We are preparing for the manned space flight," Isro Chairman K Radhakrishnan told reporters.

"We will design and develop the space module for the manned mission in the next four years," he said.

Observers say India is emerging as a major player in the multi-billion dollar space market.

In September it launched seven satellites in a single mission, nearly a month after the country's inaugural Moon mission was aborted.

Key architect

Isro says that it will soon shortlist two astronauts to train for the space flight.

The manned mission will cost 124 billion rupees ($2,676,740,597).

Delhi has given its approval for the mission, space officials told the BBC.

India's space agency is also setting up a full-fledged training facility in Bangalore to train the astronauts.

The country's first unmanned Moon mission, Chandrayaan, was launched last year.

The second unmanned project, Chandrayaan-II, will be launched in the first quarter of 2013 - a prelude to the manned space mission.

India's first Moon mission had to be terminated because of a failure of critical communication components, but Isro officials termed the mission a success because 95% of the scientific objectives were completed.

India also plans a mission to Mars in 2030.

I guess if your not fronting %65 of the planetary defense budget, you can afford to do cool stuff

lol

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:03 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Chris, did you mean "ofiscally"? Oh, where's the Spelling Fairy when we need him/her/it, confound it.

Oh darn, another Bush (unoriginal) idea cast aside. *insert crybaby*

Yes, everyone (ok, not everyone) wants us to go back to the moon sometime, but baby steps first.

Get a nearly self sufficiant space station running smoothly (at least try to grow crops or something), and then try the whole "evil moonbase headquarters" thing.

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:36 PM

SPELLINGFAIRY

* TINK *

As you wish.

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:45 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
Chris, did you mean "ofiscally"? Oh, where's the Spelling Fairy when we need him/her/it, confound it.

Oh darn, another Bush (unoriginal) idea cast aside. *insert crybaby*

Yes, everyone (ok, not everyone) wants us to go back to the moon sometime, but baby steps first.

Get a nearly self sufficiant space station running smoothly (at least try to grow crops or something), and then try the whole "evil moonbase headquarters" thing.

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or decide space exploration must be a combined effort and partner up with the world to get it done...

but then you'd probably elect another Bush and get kicked out of the treehouse

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
Chris, did you mean "ofiscally"? Oh, where's the Spelling Fairy when we need him/her/it, confound it.

Oh darn, another Bush (unoriginal) idea cast aside. *insert crybaby*

Yes, everyone (ok, not everyone) wants us to go back to the moon sometime, but baby steps first.

Get a nearly self sufficiant space station running smoothly (at least try to grow crops or something), and then try the whole "evil moonbase headquarters" thing.

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Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

I thought he was refering to offal at first

" US not ready to lift ban on Scottish haggis "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8480795.stm

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Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:49 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
or decide space exploration must be a combined effort and partner up with the world to get it done...
Quote:

Well, yeah. Space being such a big place, the more people working on it, the better, I guess. (Sign me up.)

but then you'd probably elect another Bush and get kicked out of the treehouse

[mock outrage]
Whoa, whoa, whoa, since when would I ever even consider voting for a Bush!? You'd have to pull my brain out and dunk it in hydrochloric acid, and even then I wouldn't bet on it.
[/mock outrage]

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:37 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!

"... but then you'd probably elect another Bush and get kicked out of the treehouse ..."

I find something strangely symmetric with bush and tree in the same sentence. It would have been even better if White house had also been mentioned.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:45 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Hehehehehhh... I saw Jeb Bush doing a little interview the other day, and all I could think was, "Hey, didn't that guy used to BE somebody?"

He looked pretty defeated, as if he KNOWS that his political future ended with his brother's. Hell, NEIL Bush would probably have an easier time getting elected these days (and if you don't know which Bush Brother he is, look him up).

Mike

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:48 AM

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or decide space exploration must be a combined effort and partner up with the world to get it done...

That's actually a fantastic idea. Too bad you're not American; if you were, we might actually LISTEN to your ideas. As it stands, we don't need to listen to anyone else, or work with them. Didn't anyone tell you? We're the King of the World!

I can see how you missed the memo, being out there in the Third World and all...

[/snarkasm]

Mike

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:53 AM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Or how about Billy Bush.

I actually miss that new version of "Let's Make A Deal".

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW

NASA's new budget-cut space program:

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Friday, January 29, 2010 9:56 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

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Friday, January 29, 2010 12:50 PM

TRAVELER

But look what the Moon has to offer.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

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Friday, January 29, 2010 2:08 PM

... fully loaded, safety off...

This is actually kind of depressing...I always took space exploration for granted, but what if we just can't afford science fiction?

"It all comes down to money. When NASA costed out the moon plan in 2005, the agency came up with a total price tag of $104 billion."

Who the hell has that kind of scratch? Face it - we're stuck on this rock.

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Friday, January 29, 2010 2:14 PM

No problem, you simply have to cut other things to have things you want... Like your own personal budget right

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion

Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year

President Obama's Fiscal Year 2010 budget proposes $53.8 billion for appropriated international affairs' programs. From that budget proposes $5.7 billion for foreign military financing, military education, and peacekeeping operations. From $5.7 billion, $2.8 billion, almost 50% is appropriated for Israel.[30] Israel also has available roughly $3 billion of conditional loan guarantees, with additional funds coming available if Israel meets conditions negotiated at the U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Development Group (JEDG).

So carry the two......

hey, you can have a space program... and healthcare too !!!

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:34 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
This is actually kind of depressing...I always took space exploration for granted, but what if we just can't afford science fiction?

"It all comes down to money. When NASA costed out the moon plan in 2005, the agency came up with a total price tag of $104 billion."

Who the hell has that kind of scratch? Face it - we're stuck on this rock.

Goddamn right - for that kind of money, you could wage war in Afghanistan and Iraq for almost TWO MORE YEARS!

You lot have got to get your priorities straight; no moonshot until we've invaded and beaten every nation on Earth. When there are no more worlds to conquer here, THEN we'll head for the Moon. With weapons.

It's the American Way, after all.

Mike

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Friday, January 29, 2010 4:35 PM

Quote:

So carry the two......

hey, you can have a space program... and healthcare too !!!

Reminds me of a similar math problem:

"Nothin' from nothin'... carry the nothin'..."

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Friday, January 29, 2010 7:24 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:
or decide space exploration must be a combined effort and partner up with the world to get it done...

That's actually a fantastic idea. Too bad you're not American; if you were, we might actually LISTEN to your ideas. As it stands, we don't need to listen to anyone else, or work with them. Didn't anyone tell you? We're the King of the World!

I can see how you missed the memo, being out there in the Third World and all...

[/snarkasm]

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

Not exactly a new idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station

The International Space Station (ISS) is an internationally developed research facility, which is being assembled in low Earth orbit. On-orbit construction of the station began in 1998 and is scheduled for completion by 2011. The station will remain in operation until at least 2015.[7] With a greater mass than that of any previous space station, the ISS can be seen from the Earth with the naked eye,[8] and, as of 2010[update], is the largest artificial satellite orbiting the Earth.[9] The ISS serves as a research laboratory that has a microgravity environment in which crews conduct experiments in biology, human biology, physics, astronomy and meteorology.[10][11][12] The station has a unique environment for the testing of the spacecraft systems that will be required for missions to the Moon and Mars.[13] The ISS is operated by Expedition crews, and has been continuously staffed since 2 November 2000—an uninterrupted human presence in space for the past &0000000000000009.0000009 years and &0000000000000089.00000089 days.[14] As of 1 December 2009 (2009 -12-01)[update], the crew of Expedition 22 is aboard.[15]

The ISS is a synthesis of several space station projects that includes the American Freedom, the Soviet/Russian Mir-2, the European Columbus and the Japanese Kibō.[16][17] Budget constraints led to the merger of these projects into a single multi-national programme.[16] The ISS project began in 1994 with the Shuttle-Mir programme,[18] and the first module of the station, Zarya, was launched in 1998 by Russia.[16] Assembly continues, as pressurised modules, external trusses and other components are launched by American space shuttles, Russian Proton rockets and Russian Soyuz rockets.[17] As of November 2009[update], the station consisted of 11 pressurised modules and an extensive integrated truss structure (ITS). Power is provided by 16 solar arrays mounted on the external truss, in addition to four smaller arrays on the Russian modules.[19] The station is maintained at an orbit between 278 km (173 mi) and 460 km (286 mi) altitude, and travels at an average speed of 27,724 km/h (17,227 mph), completing 15.7 orbits per day.[20]

Operated as a joint project between the five participant space agencies, the station's sections are controlled by mission control centres on the ground operated by the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Russian Federal Space Agency (RKA), the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), the Canadian Space Agency (CSA), and the European Space Agency (ESA).[21][22] The ownership and use of the space station is established in intergovernmental treaties and agreements[23] that allow the Russian Federation to retain full ownership of its own modules,[24] with the remainder of the station allocated between the other international partners.[23] The station is serviced by Soyuz spacecraft, Progress spacecraft, space shuttles, the Automated Transfer Vehicle and the H-II Transfer Vehicle,[22] and has been visited by astronauts and cosmonauts from 15 different nations.[9] The cost of the station has been estimated by ESA as €100 billion over 30 years,[25] and, although estimates range from 35 billion dollars to 160 billion dollars, the ISS is believed to be the most expensive object ever constructed.[26] The financing, research capabilities and technical design of the ISS programme have been criticised because of the high cost.[27][28]

The project had to be international, as I think any practical moon project...

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:26 AM

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
No problem, you simply have to cut other things to have things you want... Like your own personal budget right

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion

Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year

President Obama's Fiscal Year 2010 budget proposes $53.8 billion for appropriated international affairs' programs. From that budget proposes $5.7 billion for foreign military financing, military education, and peacekeeping operations. From $5.7 billion, $2.8 billion, almost 50% is appropriated for Israel.[30] Israel also has available roughly $3 billion of conditional loan guarantees, with additional funds coming available if Israel meets conditions negotiated at the U.S.-Israel Joint Economic Development Group (JEDG).

So carry the two......

hey, you can have a space program... and healthcare too !!!

Roight, you just proved my point

no cool titanium igloo shuttle stations on Mars in my lifetime.

I propose we all chip in and buy 100 square miles of mix-use land in Montana and put up a huge fence and no one gets in unless they know the secret word - we'll make our own science fiction outpost.

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:36 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

It's the American Way, after all.

A new word for both you and Gino:

Amerrogance, Amerrogant

Pronunciation: \-gənt\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin Amerrogant-, Amerrogans, present participle of amerrogare
Date: 21st century
1 : Superimposing/super imposing America's belief system onto ANY other system not within America's own borders. To presume superiority for everything over everyone <"you mean soccer, right?">
2 : proceeding from or characterized by arrogance
synonyms see bush/cheney
— a-mer·ro·gant·ly adverb

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:46 AM

Ah, but will it make the next edition of the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary?

(Oooh - another thread callback!)

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I actually don't think I mind...for NOW. There are so many other things to deal with, I don't mind putting the space program on a bit of a "hold". If it keeps UP, tho', say three or four years from now (anything can change, even if they're only allocated X for five years)...that would piss me off!

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Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:18 AM

FREMDFIRMA

I found this topic-related bit all too amusing.

What if the aliens decide they don’t like us?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors
/article7003715.ece

I suggest it's all too likely, since we're messy, dangerous lunatics who ain't even housebroken on a planetary scale.

-F

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:03 AM

CHRISISALL

Carbon units are not true life forms.

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I found this topic-related bit all too amusing.

What if the aliens decide they don’t like us?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors
/article7003715.ece

I suggest it's all too likely, since we're messy, dangerous lunatics who ain't even housebroken on a planetary scale.

-F

lol

anyone ever watch ST Enterprise ?

I need to get back to the good universe

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:57 AM

What if the aliens are already here? :)

I can't believe I am about to post this, but what the heck. This is a photo my son took in 2004.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case235.htm

The photo was analyzed and determined not to be a fake, but what is it?

Sorry for the digression but I could not resist. :)

*runs and hides because she posted a UFO picture on RWED.*

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:46 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh pish, you're worried about THAT ?

I got some footage around here from a freakin silo base out in the west of some unidentifed that overflew them and set off the Patriot Launcher on standby...

The goddamn missile splashed off it like a spitball, THEN it pulled a break that by all rights would have killed a living pilot on the spot and hauled ass at high mach, like it was nothin.

And that was actual military footage, mind, which pales before historic incidents such as the Battle of Los Angeles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

That said, a lot of more recent sightings have actually been a supposedly-secret project called Aurora, which seems to be an unmanned craft based on some kind of conventional technology to eliminate or reduce sonic signature - as in being able to achieve Mach 1+ without the freakin boom, a tech probably related to electromagentic displacement effects on the leading and trailing wing edges, which was speculated as far back as Townsend Browns work, as well as Project Winterhaven and if I recall correctly applied to at least one production aircraft.
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5263661/description.html

Similar to this, I would suppose, but probably more practical in design and function.
http://www.meridian-int-res.com/Aeronautics/SSonic.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_propulsion_columbia.
htm

Interesting stuff, and all straight up - other than the usual secrecy concerning the introduction of new tech in a military aspect, which is as usual way less secret then anyone involved would like...

As for UFOs, well - who bloody knows, although honestly I think the mechanics and descriptions of confirmed incidents incline me to believe that might be more interdimensional in nature than interstellar, because of the logistics, but in the end, until I come face to face with an LGM (and probably try to carjack him, cause I want OFF this rock!), there's naught I can say but "who bloody knows", really.

-F
ETA: Links to Browns work and research.
http://www.qualight.com/library.htm

ETA2: Ok, my state is weird, I'll give, but just on a whim I typed "UFO Carjacking" into google and it spat this out.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/10/flint_ufo_sighting_w
as_likely.html

The story is stupid, but the comments are freakin priceless.

Quote:
It is just too funny to me that in a city such as Flint, anyone would be scared of a UFO. These hoodlums would probably carjack the UFO and rob the aliens. That spacecraft would be found in the hood stripped in a couple of days. LOL

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:35 AM

-F

And that's why they are keeping their distance from us. :) They probably look at the Hoo-man race and see a cross between Ferengi and Klingon.

I agree that some of the descriptions seem more interdimensional in nature than interstellar.

Thank's for the links.

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:34 PM

As for UFOs and little greem men (LGM), I find them improbably, but certainly not impossible. I mean, WE'RE here, right? Odds are there is, was, or will be another race, possibly even with intelligence.

'Course, given some 16-20 billion years and a place the size of the universe - which really IS big, possibly the biggest thing ever, and the only thing big enough to contain both a universe AND the United States' ego - given those kinds of time and space allowances, the odds of us finding them or them noticing us seem vanishingly small.

But as Jim Carrey said in "Dumb & Dumber": "So you're saying there's a chance!"

I'd wager that when we finally crack interstellar travel, it's going to be of the interdimensional kind. After all, why go to the stars if you can fold space and bring them to you?

Mike

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:05 PM

" ... the only thing big enough to contain both a universe AND the United States' ego"

LMAO

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:40 PM

... fully loaded, safety off...

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'd wager that when we finally crack interstellar travel, it's going to be of the interdimensional kind. After all, why go to the stars if you can fold space and bring them to you?

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:19 PM

Timothy! The first Guild Navigator.

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:22 PM

Perhaps Aliens do visit Earth

,,, Perhaps they are more like humans than we would expect

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:52 PM

CHRISISALL

“Imperial Battleship, halt the flow of time!”

A must-read review of a classic!:
http://www.coldfusionvideo.com/archives/starcrash-1979/

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:21 PM