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Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wisc

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UPDATED: Friday, February 12, 2010 12:14
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Friday, February 12, 2010 11:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


My gawd, an honest Republican! Gotta give him points for his honesty, tho' his current proposal of a drastic change to Medicare, a plan under which seniors get a voucher to buy private insurance is something I abhor. Nonetheless:
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When President Obama appeared at the House GOP retreat a couple weeks ago, he singled out Ryan as a Republican with serious ideas, even if he disagrees with many of them.

Ryan asked the president if he could support a proposal he's worked on with Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wisc., for a line item veto.

Their proposal would be constitutional, Ryan said, keeping the “power of the purse” with Congress but giving the president the tool to pull out pork from legislation.

“It’s not going to solve our entire fiscal problem, but it kind of goes at the culture of spending, and it embarrasses a lot of the pork out of the budget,” Ryan said. “If (Nebraska Democratic Sen.) Ben Nelson knew that the "Cornhusker Kickback' that he got for his state and only his state might have to be voted on independently later by his peers, he might not ask for it in the first place. And, so that’s kind of the chilling effect on a lot of the waste and a lot of the deal cutting that’s going on around here that we think our deal will achieve.”

He argues that Republicans need to stand firm on their principles, but he admits that former President George W. Bush and Republicans were fiscally irresponsible when I pressed him on that.

“I’m not going to argue with that,” he said. “The problem our party had was we were soft on spending. … A lot of us fought this stuff in the majority at the time but we were in the minority (in the majority) and the minority lost those fights.

"We need to acknowledge to the American people we did things wrong," he continued, "especially when it came to spending, and we’ve got to learn from those mistakes and make sure that we don’t repeat them. I think we owe it to voters to acknowledge this and if you don’t acknowledge the mistakes were made, then they don’t think you learned your lesson.”

Ryan, considered a rising star of the party, says the Republican leadership needs to have an “adult conversation” about the economic situation of the country.






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Friday, February 12, 2010 12:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Niki2:
we’ve got to learn from those mistakes and make sure that we don’t repeat them.


Indeed, one of which is giving even a speck of ground to the GOP, cause much like a certain religion I ain't too fond of, they send the nice, reasonable sounding folk out to stake a claim, and then send the rabid cretins to reinforce it, and before you know it all hell comes of it, and every time we forget that lesson, it comes back to haunt us, Nixon, Reagan, Bush...

Sorry, I don't CARE how reasonable they sound, when I know exactly the price of giving them even one inch of ground, which they'll take, scorched and blackened, only with the greatest effort.

That said, I feel much the same way about the other side, cause they cursed us with Johnson and Clinton (Carter was a fluke), neither of which I was ever too fond of.

If the guy was independent, I might listen, but far too many folks counted on the wisdom of more decent folk like Ron Paul when they pulled the lever for (R) and we wound up with Bush and the Neocons - cause in this day and age Party Ideology trumps any individual decency, something which has become all too abundantly clear with Obama, who to my eyes is naught more than the current face of the Chicago-New York Tammany Hall branch of the Democrats which I have never cared for, he can SAY what he wants, what he DOES hasn't convinced me in the slightest.

I will also note that the GOP was rabidly against the Line Item Veto any time they were in power, so I take any support for it with a huge grain of salt given the circumstances.

The sad part is that we could use a Conservative opposition leader, but all we got is wackjobs, and fringe-folk like Ron whos own party laughs at him as they keep him on to swindle support from his base for their lunacy...

Fuck it, I say we clone Eisenhower!


-Frem

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