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Failure of health care overhaul will add more woes

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Found this an interesting take that's all over the internet. Something to think about, maybe?
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If health overhaul fails, look for spiraling premiums, more uninsured, skimpier Medicare
Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press Writer

What could be worse for Americans than health care overhaul? No health care overhaul.

It's anybody's guess whether President Barack Obama's health remake will survive in Congress.

But there's no doubting the consequences if lawmakers fail to address the problems of costs, coverage and quality: surging insurance premiums, more working families without coverage, bigger out-of-pocket bills, a prescription coverage gap for seniors that grows wider and deeper, and government programs that pay when people get sick but do little to keep them healthy.

"They complained, 'If you pass this bill, prices will go up,'" said Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington state, who helped shape the Senate Democrats' bill. "Well, you don't pass it, and prices will still go up."

For economist Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a top adviser to 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, "no one has the luxury of saying we're not going to worry about this." While he's no fan of the Democrats' approach, he said Republicans "are going to have to deliver something at some point. The question is whether they do it with this president leading or wait for a Republican president."

Health care spending in the U.S. hit $2.5 trillion last year, growing faster as a share of the economy than at any time in a half century, yet with results that compare poorly with other advanced countries spending less and offering universal coverage. Government programs — mainly Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor — will soon cover more than half the nation's health care tab, a staggering burden for federal and state budgets.

For those with private insurance, the recently announced double-digit premium increases for people purchasing their own coverage with Anthem in California could be a harbinger. Medical costs are rising in a weak economy, causing healthy people to drop coverage and raising costs for those left behind, with no limit in sight.

"We will see real changes in the way health care is delivered, regardless," Holtz-Eakin said. "The question is whether they are coordinated and done proactively or whether they are done on the ground by providers, insurance companies and employers, reacting to their costs and their risk pools."

A look at how some major groups would fare if the health care overhaul collapses and present trends continue unchecked:

Older people
Both Democratic bills would begin experiments aimed at providing quality care at lower cost for Medicare recipients, particularly those with chronic conditions such as heart failure and diabetes. Copayments for preventive care would be eliminated. The House bill gradually would close a gap in prescription drug coverage for seniors, now growing wider and deeper because of inflation. Those improvements would be lost.

On the plus side, private insurance plans in the Medicare Advantage program, serving about one-fourth of seniors, would be spared cuts proposed by Democrats. Still, insurers and other service providers won't get a free pass. With Congress looking to cut the federal deficit, Medicare will be on the chopping block again.

"The irony is that major interest groups — hospitals and drug makers — had agreed to take reductions this time," said John Rother, top political strategist for AARP, an advocacy group for seniors, which supports the Democratic bills.

Workers
The divide between those who have health insurance and those who don't will get deeper. Many more will find themselves with inadequate coverage that leaves them with hefty bills if they get seriously ill.

"More employers will drop coverage. More consumers will get increased copayments and deductibles," said Oregon Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden, a moderate who has not given up hope of a deal with Republicans. "I believe that would be so corrosive for the country that we would not let it be the outcome."

By 2019, the number of uninsured Americans would rise to 54 million, most of them low-income workers paying federal and state taxes to support health care programs for older people and the poor. The Democratic bills would expand Medicaid to pick up more people near the poverty line, while providing subsidies for many middle-class households to buy private coverage.

People with health problems
Insurers would be able to continue denying coverage to people with medical problems, or charge them higher premiums. People who get sick could face cancellation of their coverage in certain circumstances.

People in their 50s and 60s, when many medical conditions emerge, would face premiums up to six times or seven times higher than what those in their 20s pay.

Conversely, 20-year-olds would continue to enjoy access to low-cost health insurance. The Democratic bills would have forced them to subsidize premiums for older generations. Still, young people would not escape unscathed. The Democratic bills would have allowed children to stay on their parent's coverage until their mid-twenties, a particularly valuable benefit for those with health problems.

Employers
Big employers were hoping that the Medicare experiments would provide a template for their own efforts to try to control costs and maintain quality. Small employers were leery of the Democratic bills, although some would have received subsidies to help them provide coverage.

If nothing gets done, large employers will be the front line in efforts to rein in health care spending. They will keep passing on costs to employees through higher premiums and copayments. But they're also expected to take a more aggressive approach to get workers to shape up by quitting smoking, losing weight and making other lifestyle changes. Employers won't just be insurance sponsors any longer; they could start acting more like the health police.

Small companies are likely to keep dropping coverage, as are employers with lots of low-wage workers.

"The fact that we had a mandate from voters to do something, and that a major effort to respond led to such a deep partisan divide and gridlock is not positive," said AARP's Rother. "The gridlock that's developed on health care is a very serious and negative omen for our ability to tackle Social Security and deficits."

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:59 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Could be a good thing...

When reforms round two go through a year later the insurance lobbyists will have fewer friends...

and the public option may well become the public solution...

let them go wild, encourage them even...

one year of pain and they may all be gone.





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Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:58 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, it seems Wellpoint may have started celebrating a li'l too early in Cali, jumping premiums an average of 39% across the board, this just after reporting an 800% increase in profits last quarter, and after jumping rates as much as 69% the year before.

So let's keep letting them play their game, and let's keep letting them call it the "free market", and let's see where that gets us.

'Course, I sure hope none of y'all nor your families get sick, because the insurance companies already have their death panels on the job.

Mike

Work is the curse of the Drinking Class.
- Oscar Wilde

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Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:00 PM

GINOBIFFARONI


Not health care, but more about the stimulus ( yes we did that too )


E.S.P. or "Economic Stimulus payment"


Sometime this year, we taxpayers may receive an Economic Stimulus payment.
This is a very exciting new program.

I will explain it using the Q and A format:

Q. What is an Economic Stimulus payment?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q. Where will the government get this money?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
A. Only a smidgen.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a high-definition TV
set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the Canadian economy by
spending your stimulus cheque wisely:

* If you spend the stimulus money at Wal-Mart, the money will go to China .
* If you spend it on gasoline, your money will go to the Arabs.
* If you purchase a computer, it will go to India .
* If you purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala .
* If you buy a car, it will go to Japan or South Korea .
* If you purchase useless stuff, it will go to Taiwan .
* If you pay your credit cards off, or buy stock, it will go to
management bonuses and they will hide it offshore.

Instead, keep the money in Canada by:

1 spending it at yard sales, or
2 going to a hockey game, or
3 spending it on prostitutes, or
4 beer or
5 tattoos..
(These are the only Canadian owned businesses still operating in Canada .)


I'm going to a hockey game with a tattooed prostitute that I met at a
yard sale and we're going to drink beer all day.

A M E N ! ! !

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Monday, February 15, 2010 8:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Awww-RIGHT! Have fun! However, there's the small matter of the American workers who DO make a buck or two off those other things you mentioned...

Not that the stimulus does them much good; I'd rather see the money put into infrastructure, that STAYS HERE and gawdamn, do we need it!

You also forgot: "The government will tax you on it and take some back next year", 'cuz that's what happens down HERE!



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