This really pisses me off; the anti-choice folks just keep finding ways, but this one really burns me:[quote]Critics Say Bill Could Lead to Unfair Murder..."/>
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Utah Abortion Bill: Punishing Miscarriages or Preventing Crime?
Monday, March 1, 2010 10:39 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Critics Say Bill Could Lead to Unfair Murder Charges Against Expectant Mothers A controversial abortion billin Utah meant to prevent planned assaults on unborn children may have opened a loophole that could allow women to be charged with murder if their reckless behavior causes miscarriages. Gov. Gary Herbert has not indicated whether he will sign the bill into law or veto it, although supporters of the bill say they expect him to approve it. If Herbert does nothing by March 8, the measure automatically becomes law. The bill was prompted by the case of a pregnant teenager last year who paid someone to beat her, hoping to cause a late term abortion. But critics argue that allowing homicide charges if a woman's "reckless behavior" causes the unborn child to die opens up the possibility that prosecutors could seek a murder conviction against women who miscarry after not wearing their seatbelts or returning to a partner who has a history of physical abuse. "This could be misconstrued or construed too aggressively," Democratic Utah state Sen. Ross Romero said. "We all make bad choices in our lives and most of them don't come with criminal burdens. This one does, or may, I should say." Romero was one of only four senators to vote against his chamber's version of the House bill sponsored by Republican state Rep. Carl Wimmer. Having passed through both chambers, the bill now sits on the governor's desk. He has until March 8 to either sign or veto the bill. If he does neither, it automatically becomes law. Herbert's spokeswoman Angie Welling said in an e-mail that he has not taken any formal position on the bill. "He understands that the intent of the bill is not to criminalize miscarriage, nor to restrict a woman's ability to seek a legal abortion. However, he is also aware that concerns exist about possible unintended consequences of the legislation," Welling wrote. "That will be key to his analysis of this legislation, as it is with all other bills with which he is presented." Introduced to the state Legislature in the fall, the bill was in response to a 17-year-old pregnant girl from Vernal who was arrested and accused of paying someone to beat her to force a late-term miscarriage. The attempted abortion failed and the child was born healthy. Aaron Harrison, the 21-year-old charged in the beating, pleaded guilty to second-degree felony attempted murder. He was sentenced to up to five years in prison, according to The Associated Press, but could serve as many as 20 for other unrelated felonies. A judge, however, set the teen girl free, ruling that her actions were protected by the state's definition of an abortion. It was a ruling that shocked several of Utah's lawmakers, including Wimmer. "It revealed a weakness and a loophole in our law, which we did not know was there," he said. "We thought all along, we have a criminal homicide law that deals with unborn children and we thought that law was adequate and we found out that it was wanting."
Monday, March 1, 2010 12:29 PM
BYTEMITE
Monday, March 1, 2010 5:58 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 7:43 AM
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Tuesday, March 2, 2010 8:19 AM
MINCINGBEAST
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 8:20 AM
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Tuesday, March 2, 2010 8:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I have trouble understanding how a attempted murder charge can be leveled at someone who was paid to administer the beatings, especially considering how murder clearly wasn't the intention. They already charged the guy for whatever homicide charge passes for abortion law here in Utah, the attempted murder charge suggests double jeopardy, doesn't it? Shouldn't it be assault and battery?
Tuesday, March 2, 2010 8:40 AM
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Wednesday, March 3, 2010 1:51 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by mincingbeast: wow. why stop at murder? surely, protecting the god given constitutional rights of the pre-born justfies extending the criminal law even further! for example, a pregnant woman who consumes caffeine has plainly exposed her child to a dangerous substance. this justifies a battery charge, at the very least, if not attempted murder. and why stop with women? lets be fair. for example, a man whos briefs are too tight may actually be damaging his testes, hence millions of unborn children! plainly, he should be charged with attempted genocide, and if genocide is not a cognizable claim, at least a few million counts of assault or attempted murder. how do i run for congress in utah?
Wednesday, March 3, 2010 2:02 PM
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SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Wednesday, March 3, 2010 2:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: At this point, I think Hatch has a secret cabal of cultists that perform virgin sacrifice to give him limited immortality.
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Thursday, March 4, 2010 2:47 AM
Quote: I like people in an nonpersonal way, I'm nice to people, but I can't ever, ever trust them, it's against my nature, even people who I consider close friends. I don't let anyone I know in real life in to anything that that could potentially be vulnerable. I don't let close friends who write and draw who I trust more than my own family see stuff I write or draw. And my own family, HELL NO.
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Friday, March 5, 2010 1:42 AM
Quote:i've long suspected that objection to abortion has less to do with the sanctity of innocent life, and more to do with the fear that somebody, somewhere, might be enjoying sex.
Quote:i do suspect that each generation assumes the one that follows is degenerate and vile, and requires lots of harsh correct to keep it in order.
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