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Pope's preacher compares abuse fury to anti-Semitism
Friday, April 2, 2010 11:26 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Pope Benedict XVI's personal preacher on Friday compared the fury aimed at the Catholic leadership because of sexual abuse within the Church to aspects of anti-Semitism. Noting that Easter falls in the same week as the Jewish holiday of Passover this year, the Rev. Raniero Cantalamessa said, "This makes us make a thought to our Jewish brothers. "They know from experience what it means to be victims of the collective violence, and because of this, they are able to recognize the reoccurring symptoms." He then quoted what he said was a letter from a Jewish friend. "I am following with disgust the violent and concentric attack against the church, the pope and all the faithful from the whole world," the letter said. "The use of the stereotype, the passage from the responsibility and personal wrong to that of the whole reminds us of the most shameful aspects of anti-Semitism." But Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said Cantalamessa was not espousing "the Vatican's official position." "The Vatican is not trying to draw a parallel between the church and anti-Semitism," Lombardi said. "The intention of the preacher was to express a Jewish man's thoughts, his suffering and experience. He was not trying to compare the church with anti-Semitism. "It is not the intention of the Vatican to compare the criticism it is currently receiving with anti-Semitism," Lombardi added. Cantalamessa, preacher of the pontifical household, made the remarks at a Good Friday commemoration.
Friday, April 2, 2010 11:38 AM
MINCINGBEAST
Friday, April 2, 2010 11:49 AM
TRAVELER
Friday, April 2, 2010 11:57 AM
Quote:Here's a little thought experiment on practical ethics. Suppose that you are having a drink with a new acquaintance and the subject of law-breaking comes up. "Ever been in any trouble with the authorities?" You may perhaps mention your arrest at a demonstration, your smuggling of excess duty-free goods, that brush with the narcotics people, that unwise attempt at insider trading. Your counterpart may show a closer acquaintance with the criminal justice system. He once did a bit of time for forgery, or for robbery with a touch of violence, or for a domestic dispute that got a bit out of hand. You are still perhaps ready to have lunch next Friday. But what if he says: "Well, I once knew a couple who trusted me as their baby sitter. Two little boys they had—one of 12 and one of 10. A good bit of fun I had with those kids when nobody was looking. Told them it was our secret. I was sorry when it all ended." I hope I don't seem too judgmental if I say that at this point the lunch is canceled or indefinitely postponed.
Quote:On March 10, the chief exorcist of the Vatican, the Rev. Gabriele Amorth (who has held this demanding post for 25 years), was quoted as saying that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican," and that "when one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' in the holy rooms, it is all true—including these latest stories of violence and pedophilia." This can perhaps be taken as confirmation that something horrible has indeed been going on in the holy precincts, though most inquiries show it to have a perfectly good material explanation.
Friday, April 2, 2010 12:12 PM
MAL4PREZ
Friday, April 2, 2010 12:26 PM
Friday, April 2, 2010 12:36 PM
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Friday, April 2, 2010 12:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Would be lovely to see all that pomp and circumstance disappear, maybe priests care more for their congregation as actual HUMAN BEINGS, whether gay, female or anything else.
Friday, April 2, 2010 1:32 PM
Friday, April 2, 2010 2:43 PM
HKCAVALIER
Friday, April 2, 2010 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: What I'm saying is that the Catholic Church has, quite by accident (it is devoutly to be hoped!) hit upon a recipe for a kind of developmentally disabled sexuality with nowhere to go and this is what you get.
Friday, April 2, 2010 3:04 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, April 2, 2010 4:08 PM
Saturday, April 3, 2010 5:30 AM
Quote:A common critique of theistic religion is the extent to which religious rules and doctrines created by human beings for the purpose of maintaining power and control over others are attributed to a divine source. Pretending that human rules are God's rules help prevent them from changing or being questioned. A strong example of this is the celibacy of priests in Catholic Christianity, as demonstrated by its historical development and lack of consistent adherence. If there were any divine origin to religious rules, we shouldn't be able to trace their development in human history and how they were conditioned by historical, cultural circumstances. It's no surprise that churches say little about how today's doctrines did not always exist in the past and, in fact, aren't as absolute as they seem. Again, clerical celibacy in Catholicism is a good example of this. Real Reasons for Celibacy: Land, Purity, Women Celibacy has not always been required of priests. Defenders of celibacy rely heavily on Matthew 19:12, where Jesus is quoted as saying that "...they have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept this." Here, "eunuchs" is interpreted to be a reference renouncing marriage and being celibate, but if Jesus placed such a high value on celibacy, why were most if not all of his apostles married? It's implausible that unmarried followers could not be found, so it's implausible that celibacy was required. Over time, rules about sexual abstinence grew from a belief that sexual intercourse makes a person "unclean," based largely on the belief that women are less pure than men and hence constitute a form of ritual contamination. Attitudes about ritual cleanliness have played an important role in religious violence generally; attitudes about the inferiority of women have been important in violence towards them. In fact, the continued existence of an all-male, celibate priesthood cannot be divorced from an accompanying view of women as less moral and less worthy than men. The denigration of both women and sex was accompanied by a denigration of marriage and family. Another factor in the push for clerical celibacy was the problematic relationship the Catholic Church had with real estate and inherited land. Priests and bishops were not just religious leaders, they also had political power based on the land they controlled. When they died, the land might go to church or the man's heirs — and naturally the church wanted to keep the land in order to retain political power. Tthe best way to keep the land was to ensure that no rivals could claim it; keeping the clergy celibate and unmarried was the easiest way to accomplish this. Making celibacy a religious obligation was also the best way to ensure that the clergy obeyed. Catholic apologists deny that such worldly concerns were part of the decision to impose celibacy on priests, but it can't be a coincidence that the final push towards celibacy occurred when conflict over land were increasing.
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