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Nationwide protests of Arizona law
Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:05 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:On Friday, two San Francisco, California, officials wrote a three-page letter to Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig to ask that the 2011 All-Star Game be moved from Phoenix, Arizona, if the law is not repealed. The Major League Baseball Players Association, the players' union, is also voicing its disapproval of the law. "The recent passage by Arizona of a new immigration law could have a negative impact on hundreds of Major League players who are citizens of countries other than the United States," Michael Weiner, executive director of the association, said in a prepared statement Friday. "The Major League Baseball Players Association opposes this law as written. We hope that the law is repealed or modified promptly. If the current law goes into effect, the MLBPA will consider additional steps necessary to protect the rights and interests of our members." Also Friday, National Urban League President Marc Morial announced that the civil rights organization is suspending consideration of Phoenix -- which had submitted a bid -- as the location for its 2012 conference "as long as this unfortunate law remains in effect." In addition, the African-American Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity announced it is pulling its July 2010 convention from Phoenix and moving it to Las Vegas, Nevada, because of what its board called "the egregious immigration act signed recently by the governor of Arizona." In addition, the African-American Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity announced it is pulling its July 2010 convention from Phoenix and moving it to Las Vegas, Nevada, because of what its board called "the egregious immigration act signed recently by the governor of Arizona." One of the two lawsuits against SB1070 was filed Thursday by a police officer in Tucson, Arizona, who asked that local law enforcement be exempt from enforcing the measure. Officer Martin H. Escobar says in the federal suit that the law will "seriously impede law enforcement investigations and facilitate the successful commission of crimes." The National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders also filed a federal lawsuit Thursday. The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Arizona and the National Immigration Law Center said Thursday they also plan to jointly file a lawsuit. Supporters of SB1070 cite high levels of illegal immigration and crimes committed by unauthorized immigrants as a reason for the new law. But statistics from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency and the FBI indicate that both the number of illegal immigrants and violent crime have decreased in the state in recent years. According to FBI statistics, violent crimes in Arizona dropped by nearly 1,500 reported incidents between 2005 and 2008. Reported property crimes also fell during the same period, from about 287,000 reported incidents to 279,000. These decreases are accentuated by the fact that Arizona's population grew by 600,000 people between 2005 and 2008. According to the nonpartisan Immigration Policy Institute, proponents of the bill "overlook two salient points: crime rates have already been falling in Arizona for years despite the presence of unauthorized immigrants, and a century's worth of research has demonstrated that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born." A Pew Research Center survey late last year found that Americans believe Latinos are discriminated against more than any other major racial or ethnic group in American society. The Pew survey also indicated that about one-third of the nation's Latinos say they or someone they know has experienced discrimination. About 9 percent said they had been stopped by police or other authorities and asked about their immigration status in the year before the survey.
Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:29 AM
Quote:Activists said outrage over Arizona's controversial immigration law "awakened a sleeping giant" Saturday as rallies demanding federal immigration reform kicked off in cities across the country. In New York, labor organizer John Delgado said anger over the law — which requires local law enforcement to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they're in the country illegally — drew more than 5,000 people to a rally at Manhattan's Foley Square. "She's awakened a sleeping giant," Delgado said, referring to Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, who signed the law. In Los Angeles, singer Gloria Estefan kicked off a massive downtown march to demand immigration reform and protest the Arizona law. Estefan spoke in Spanish and English atop a flatbed truck, proclaiming the United States is a nation of immigrants. She said immigrants are good, hardworking people, not criminals. Cardinal Roger Mahony stood on the truck chanting in Spanish, "Si, se puede," or "Yes we can." Organizers believe opposition to the law could be the catalyst to draw tens of thousands to rallies in dozens of cities. Four years ago, more than a million people across the country united to protest ultimately unsuccessful federal legislation that would have made being an illegal immigrant a felony. Denver Public Schools has banned work-related travel to Arizona. U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, a Chicago Democrat who has sponsored a House immigration bill, said he plans to participate in civil disobedience at the White House on Saturday. In Chicago, several college students plan to "come out" as illegal immigrants on a downtown stage. In Ann Arbor, Mich., more than 500 people held a mock graduation ceremony for undocumented immigrant students near the site of Obama's University of Michigan commencement speech. "It's time to come together and show that undocumenteds have dignity. They're human," said Douglas Interiano, a spokesman for Reform Immigration for Texas Alliance, which is helping plan Saturday's march in Dallas. He projected up to 100,000 could march in Dallas, with similar events planned in El Paso, Houston, Austin and San Juan.
Saturday, May 1, 2010 9:31 AM
WHOZIT
Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:27 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: The irony is that May Day, technically both a Union and Anarchist holiday, has also been in recent years given over to those in favor of immigration reform - wasn't that long ago some bi-lingual newsies came under attack during a mutual protest by law enforcement who were clearly both racist and way out of line, resulting in me getting back into the security biz initially as a consultant to them. And immigration reform is a smart idea, considering one reason we have so many illegal immigrants is just how awful a byzantine nightmare of red tape immigration is - all the from the McCarran-Walter Act coming out of McCarthyism back to the Alien and Sedition act, immigrants have always been one of the targets by which the powers that be whip up the scare factor without regard to the fact that we are essentially a nation OF immigrants, nor any thought to the long term consequences of such legislation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarran-Walter_Act I mean, my Ex is looking down the barrel of that right now, as her Fiancee is canadian, and even so, she has a stack of books, each one the size of a fucking Unix manual, that she has to learn just to keep up with the goddamn paperwork, any and all of which can be blocked without reason by any petty little beauracrat in the chain, just on a whim... So yeah, when you make legal immigration impossible, you make illegal immigration inevitable, and if you wanna blame somebody, blame McCarthy and the racist, scaremongering pricks of the political arena - while saving a kick or two for race baiters who wanna use the problem to elevate themselves without ever actually solving it, cause they ain't innocent either. Of course, as always, MY solution is... "Hi, welcome to america, here's your W2!" Give the IRS something to do besides fuck with us for once... -F
Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:54 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, May 1, 2010 1:57 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: So yeah, when you make legal immigration impossible, you make illegal immigration inevitable, ... Of course, as always, MY solution is... "Hi, welcome to america, here's your W2!" Give the IRS something to do besides fuck with us for once...
Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:48 AM
Quote:This is a celebration of running over the very values of what BEING an American stands for.
Sunday, May 2, 2010 6:55 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:I'll gladly stand w/ anyone wants to come here legally, and join the U.S. family, by doing things the right way, and coming in the front door.
Sunday, May 2, 2010 7:55 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This is wrong. There is no 'civil rights' issue here. Illegal MEANS illegal. I'll gladly stand w/ anyone wants to come here legally, and join the U.S. family, by doing things the right way, and coming in the front door. But this ? No way. This is a celebration of running over the very values of what BEING an American stands for.
Tuesday, May 4, 2010 7:05 PM
ANTIMASON
Tuesday, May 4, 2010 10:51 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 2:26 AM
DREAMTROVE
Quote:Mike: As always, you're wrong.
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 3:15 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 4:45 AM
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 5:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Pizmo The only employer that every gave me health insurance wa the govt. Virtually every job I had made me work overtime, but I have never once been paid for it. The benifits of being off the record exceed those of being on, IMHO, but that's not the issue. It's whether or not police can simply make life difficult for latinos, which is what they intend to do, to make them leave, not the immigrants, latinos in general
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 6:39 AM
Quote:Arizona is trying to deal with a problem and their desperation is showing.
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 6:41 AM
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 6:42 AM
Quote:If cops are the kind that want to bug Latinos I really don't think they've been waiting for this bill to do so
Wednesday, May 5, 2010 9:20 PM
Thursday, May 6, 2010 1:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by antimason: as a side note, just consider what damage supporters of the minimum wage laws have done to americans, in light of illegals working illegitimately
Quote: but most importantly, this is ultimately mexico/s. Americas problem. why shouldnt this debate be forced back on their shoulders? maybe it is internal revolutions, in their home countries, that these the fleeing migrants need.. not sanctuary. unless we plan on taking in all the worlds poor and desparate, indefinately.
Thursday, May 6, 2010 4:46 AM
Thursday, May 6, 2010 5:18 AM
Thursday, May 6, 2010 5:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: I'm soooo not getting this. I consider myself more racist toward my own white peeps than other group but, I mean, who else is coming over the border illegally here? How do you make it look like it isn't racism and still address the issue? Start stopping Black women? So to avoid the truth of the situation we should start detaining law abiding citizens of all races? I thought we were getting past the PC overload we experienced a few decades ago.
Thursday, May 6, 2010 7:16 AM
Thursday, May 6, 2010 7:35 AM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Thursday, May 6, 2010 8:07 AM
Quote: Mexico’s illegals laws tougher than Arizona’s
Thursday, May 6, 2010 8:12 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Thursday, May 6, 2010 8:35 AM
Thursday, May 6, 2010 8:55 AM
Quote:I'm always amused when the petulant little children pretend they're on the moral high ground and call others petulant children.
Thursday, May 6, 2010 9:04 AM
Thursday, May 6, 2010 9:25 AM
Quote:I think you've just made the point that we're screwed.
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Thursday, May 6, 2010 2:49 PM
TRAVELER
Thursday, May 6, 2010 5:59 PM
Quote: kwicko- Just consider the damage done to America by opponents of minimum wage laws, who will hire people illegally to circumvent paying even a low minimum wage.
Quote: That works both ways. You want to hold illegals responsible for doing illegal acts, yet you'll give employers a free pass for committing a crime in hiring them. In fact, you'll lobby that it shouldn't even BE a crime to hire illegals. More than a li'l bit of a double standard there, wouldn't you say?
Quote: I take it that you're 100% pure native American, then? No immigrant blood in you at all? Because if you are, then you came from those same poor and desperate who fled their countries' internal revolutions, all the way back to the Mayflower and before. Look it up; we're a nation of people who bailed on their country and came here because it was easier than trying to overthrow whatever governmental system they left behind.
Thursday, May 6, 2010 6:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Uh, Anti, what about all the Tea Partiers who are scared their Medicare and/or SSI will be taken away? You don’t think THEY’re insisting we maintain this pervasive wellfare state“? It’s not that cut and dried to blame the “left” for everything.
Friday, May 7, 2010 3:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: A few thoughts: Pizmo, you're not getting it.
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