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Obama talks as oil laps at Gulf of Mexico shore

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Monday, May 3, 2010 6:25 AM

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VENICE, Louisiana: US authorities raced last night to stem the tide of a disastrous oil slick in the Gulf of Mexico, as US President Barack Obama fiercely defended his response and promised federal help for as long as needed.

In drizzling rain and winds in front of Venice harbour, Mr Obama described the unfolding nightmare offshore as "a massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster".

He flew to Louisiana to head off mounting criticism that his government's response to the Gulf Coast disaster had been too little and too late, and to neutralise a potentially devastating soundbite, that this is "his Katrina".

A month ago, Mr Obama opened large areas of US coastal waters to offshore drilling with the reassurance for the American people that "oil rigs today generally don't cause spills".

Yesterday, rain running down his forehead as he spoke, Mr Obama stressed that BP was fully responsible for the catastrophe in the Gulf and must pay for the clean-up, as he acknowledged the pain of Louisianans.


"The oil that is still leaking from the well could seriously damage the economy and the environment of our Gulf states. And it could extend for a long time. It could jeopardise the livelihoods of thousands of Americans who call this place home."

Louisiana's $US2.4 billion ($2.6bn) a year commercial and recreational fishing industry was dealt its first major blow from the oil spill during Mr Obama's visit, when the US government banned activities in some areas for at least 10 days because of health concerns.

"Balancing economic and health concerns, this order closes just those areas that are affected by oil," said US government weather agency administrator Jane Lubchenco. "There should be no health risk in seafood currently in the marketplace."

Government data showed the thickest part of the sprawling 209km by 112km slick has been turned northwards by strong southerly winds, sending sheen lapping ashore on the remote Chandeleur Islands.

The chain of uninhabited islets in eastern Louisiana is a marshy area rich in wildlife. Officials said it would not be possible to confirm whether oil had washed ashore until overflights were conducted.

An overflight may not be possible for some time as blustery winds and high seas kept planes grounded and forced skimming vessels to abandon missions to mop up the growing slick for a third straight day. Oil was expected to reach the wetlands south of Venice overnight.

Mr Obama laid the responsibility for the disaster firmly at the door of BP, which owns the leaking well and operated the stricken rig, refusing to countenance any notion that his government had dropped the ball.

"So let me be clear. BP is responsible for this leak. BP will be paying the bill," Mr Obama said, slowing his delivery deliberately to emphasise the two points.

The government had "co-ordinated an all hands on deck relentless response to this crisis from day one", he said, vowing to "spare no effort" in the future.

Bob Fryar, a BP executive working on the response to the spill, said on Sunday the company doesn't know how much oil is pouring into the Gulf. "We don't have any physical way to measure this," he said, adding that any characterisation of the amount of oil spilling from the well "is just an estimate."
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Monday, May 3, 2010 6:45 AM

KWICKO

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Meanwhile, you're here doing what, exactly? Oh, yeah... TALKING.


What would you have the President do? A nice flyover in Air Force One? Maybe he should react how the fisherman who are being displaced "really have it very good", like Barbara Bush remarked about Katrina victims living in the Astrodome. Would you have him personally pilot a submarine to the sea floor to try to cap the wellhead? Should he be scrubbing ducks on shore? Or should he be ordering all federal help to where it's needed most urgently right now?

Besides, I thought you didn't WANT your big bad gubmint intruding into business matters. This IS a business matter, isn't it? A corporation owns the rig that blew up and sank, a corporation owns the oil lease, a corporation is more than happy to take the profits; why do you now want to socialize things and turn this over to the government? Are you asking the federal government to take MORE control, enact MORE regulations to ensure that this kind of thing doesn't happen, or at least happens with less frequency?

Where's Bobby Jindall? Shouldn't he be leading efforts at the state level? Has he given any speeches? If so, where's your outrage and hand-wringing over HIS talking as oil laps at the shore?

Mike

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Monday, May 3, 2010 6:51 AM

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I posted an news article, with link, and you vehemently , irrationally attack me.


You ignore what your own messiah said, that "oil rigs today generally don't cause spills", or the fact that just a month ago Obama pushed for opening up MORE offshore oil drilling.

You just can't get your arms around the truth, can you ?

Obama Administration Cancels Offshore SAFETY Awards; BP A Finalist

The Interior Department’s 2010 SAFETY awards luncheon this afternoon has been cancelled. The “awards recognize outstanding safety and pollution prevention performance by the offshore oil and gas industry.”

BP is a finalist for government award this year and made the cut in 2009 as well. According to Interior, “only the top candidates who show outstanding performance in each of their respective OCS districts will be considered a finalist for the National SAFE Award.”







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Monday, May 3, 2010 10:53 AM

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Oh, you're hysterical. Mike's right: you've argued time and time again against government intrusion, yet suddenly you're pissed they wanted to let capitalist Big Oil have its way.

That entire article contains one statement about opening up drilling, and one about BP supposedly in the front running to get an award. The drilling plan is probably dead; the award has been cancelled.

I was pissed at Obama for opening up the coastlines. Still am, but I'm pretty sure this ended it. I'm also pretty sure it was a sop TO THE REPUBLICANS in his usual futile hope of Republican votes on his environmental legislation. Stupid, yes; culpable, no.

As to the awards; again stupid. Anyone who wanted to look could see BP's record. Politics. It stinks. But you think Obama should know what the Interior Department is doing every minute? Boy, is that a joke!

But if you want to make noises about Obama opening oil leases, dear gawd, as I've CITED otherwhere, Dumbya's ties to Big Oil are HUMONGOUS; Obama's moves are political. He has nothing to gain from Big Oil making profits--Dumbya did, and then some!

Try making PERTINENT arguments if you want to push your agenda, and I'd think twice about trying to pin anything having to do with drilling and oil on Obama; the backlash is apt to send you spinning!


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Monday, May 3, 2010 11:10 AM

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Mike and you, are 100% wrong. Y'alls fully disingenuous response to anything relating to this issue, here and in other threads, only proves that you view the world purely through political lens, and nothing more.

You distort and misrepresent my views, take remarks completely out of context and intentionally dodge the issues so as to not face up the the reality of it all.
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As to the awards; again stupid. Anyone who wanted to look could see BP's record. Politics. It stinks. But you think Obama should know what the Interior Department is doing every minute? Boy, is that a joke!



So, the Buck only stops at the top when there's a Republican in office, is that right ?






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Monday, May 3, 2010 11:49 AM

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Too damned funny. Hysterical.

Response wasn't disingenuous. I posted FACTS and cites showing that regulation of the oil industry got all kinds of help during the Dumbya administration; that Obama opened drilling, will no doubt close it now, that the award thing had nothing to do with HIM, but you're determined to toss out those insults you like so much just to get your point across.

WE see things through a political lense?!?! You MUST be joking! All you have to say about this disaster is that it MUST be Obama's fault, and you think we're not seeing reality by recognizing what a joke this is? "obama talks as oil laps"--okay, so you think he shouldn't be talking...what DO you think he should be doing besides what he's doing?

And how exactly was he supposed to have seen this coming? You're trying to PIN THIS on Obama, which is even more ridiculous than pinning Katrina on Dumbya...oh, wait, except that the Corps of Engineers didn't fix the levvies--surely Dumbya had as much hand in THAT as Obama did in some award ceremony, right?

Buck stops at who's responsible, not at the President...if the President tried to micro-manage everything (especially something as unimportant as an AWARDS CEREMONY), nothing woudl ever get done.

Oops...I took you seriously again. I HAVE to watch that!


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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, the Buck only stops at the top when there's a Republican in office, is that right ?



Hell, it certainly never stopped there for the last Republican in office.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:07 PM

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You're trying to PIN THIS on Obama, which is even more ridiculous than pinning Katrina on Dumbya...oh, wait, except that the Corps of Engineers didn't fix the levvies--surely Dumbya had as much hand in THAT as Obama did in some award ceremony, right?



Bingo. Rappy and other wingnuts like him are desperate to paint this as a Katrina like situation - because they know (even if they'll never, ever ever admit it) that Bush DID blow it on that one. They've been praying for something they could throw back on Obama in a simmilar fashion, and have latched onto this like rabid dogs. Logic be damned, they've drawn their line and will keep trying to sell this talking point until they think of a better one.

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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:07 PM

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"It wasn't our accident, but we are absolutely responsible for the oil, for cleaning it up, and that's what we intend to do," BP Group CEO Tony Hayward told NBC's "TODAY" show.



What if, for purely argument's sake, he's right ?

BP didn't own that rig, Transocean did.

As for Obama, there was a very long lag in response. Is that HIS fault ?

Or is he simply President of a bloated, ill equipped, mismanaged Federal bureaucracy which is over matched when it comes to dealing with real world events ( no pun, honest )






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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:08 PM

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Ah, what the hell. Dumbya and oil regulation:

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Gift to Oil Industry Rushed Into Federal Register Before Bush Leaves Office

Final Oil Shale Regulations Endanger Lands,
Communities of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2008/oil-shale-
11-17-2008.html


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Interior Secretary Ken Salazar had some disparaging words for the Bush administration and its coziness with the oil industry this week. As the New York Times reported, Salazar, in an address given on Wednesday, said his department will be taking a harder look at the leasing of oil and gas on public lands; Salazar said he and his colleagues would not be doing business as the last administration had, serving as a “candy store” for big oil.

The oil and gas industry isn’t happy, and some Republicans in Congress are also gearing up to challenge the new regulations. Kathleen Sgamma, Director of Governmental Affairs for the Independent Petroleum Association of the Mountain States, told the Times that the changes will result in “a bureaucratic command-and-control system.” And Jack Gerard, at the American Petroleum Institute, said what Salazar is looking to do will ultimately be bad for the economy and “further delay and limit American energy resources for all Americans.”

Salazar has not been swayed by industry criticism. He told the Times that he thinks the oil and gas industry is simply “wrong” and is reacting to a sudden loss of power after being, during the Bush administration, “the kings of the world.

http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/salazar-vows-closer-inspection-of-oil-a
nd-gas-drilling-leases108
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During his first month in office, President George W. Bush appointed Vice President Dick Cheney to head a task force charged with developing the country's energy policy. The group, which conducted its meetings in secret, relied on the recommendations of Big Oil behemoths Exxon Mobil, Conoco, Shell Oil, BP America and Chevron. It would be the first of many moves to come during the Bush administration that would position oil and gas companies well ahead of other energy interests with billions of dollars in subsidies and tax cuts—payback for an industry with strong ties to the administration and plenty of money to contribute to congressional and presidential campaigns.

During the time that Bush and Cheney, both of whom are former oil executives, have been in the White House, the oil and gas industry has spent $393.2 million on lobbying the federal government. This places the industry among the top nine in lobbying expenditures. 80 percent of the industry's contributions have gone to Republicans.

This support has not gone unrewarded. In 2005, Bush, who has received more from the oil and gas industry than any other politician, signed an energy bill from the Republican-controlled Congress that gave $14.5 billion in tax breaks for oil, gas, nuclear power and coal companies. The Energy Policy Act of 2005, which was based on recommendations by Cheney's energy task force, also rolled back regulations the oil industry considered burdensome, including exemptions from some clean water laws. All of this transpired only one year after Congress passed a bill that included a tax cut for domestic manufacturing that was expected to save energy companies at least $3.6 billion over a decade.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/347/oil-politics.html
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The Bush administration has decided to give the oil and gas industry two years to comply with a storm-water regulation that goes into effect across the country Monday, and will consider granting a permanent exemption.

Environmental groups and environmentalists in Congress argued that the administration is granting special rights to a favored industry, at the risk of polluting rivers and lakes.

http://www.truthout.org/article/bush-administration-exempts-oil-indust
ry-from-clean-water-act?print


There is just too much information out there for you to make your wild accusations, especially when it comes to the oil industry (!), without being reminded how much Dumbya was in their pockets and to ask where you were when THAT was going on??

Give it up; calls of "childish" and "ducking issues" and such are terribly, terribly old and you just keep repeating them.

The only "disingenuous" one here is you, and that's the nicest term for it.


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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Bingo. Rappy and other wingnuts like him are desperate to paint this as a Katrina like situation - because they know (even if they'll never, ever ever admit it) that Bush DID blow it on that one. They've been praying for something they could throw back on Obama in a simmilar fashion, and have latched onto this like rabid dogs. Logic be damned, they've drawn their line and will keep trying to sell this talking point until they think of a better one.



First, I never claimed this was his Katrina. That was written in the article. And no, by no real measure am I a " wing nut ". But nice try.

I've been praying for the Gulf coast to suffer a massive oil spill?

Go fuck yourself.

Sorry, but I put a long list of things above petty partisan politics. Don't try to view me through the lens YOU alone see the world.


If you want to draw any parallels between this and Katrina, besides it's the exact same area which is getting hit, is that the Federal Gov't was slow to act ( shocker !! )

This only means that really bad things sometimes will occur, no matter what, and the Imperial Federal Gov't is not, never was nor ever WILL be all powerful, blessed with endless resources and the ability to respond everywhere that its needed, with the right planning, the right people and the right equipment.

Too many of you fuckers live in a god damn dream world, where you ponder questions like children, while never fully understanding the real world limitations.






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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:23 PM

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niki2,

Last I checked, Colorado, Utah and Wyoming weren't Gulf coast states. ( Least, not since the Cretaceous period )

The Deepwater Horizon didn't encounter any storm weather when the accident occurred.

Obama's been in office for nearly 1 1/2 years.

This catastrophe DID NOT occur in 8 years of Bush/ Cheney, but DID occur in Obama's ( hopefully 1st and last ) term.






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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:28 PM

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First, I never claimed this was his Katrina. That was written in the article.



Regardless of who typed it - it's the story you're trying to sell. Man up about it at least.

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And no, by no real measure am I a " wing nut ". But nice try.



BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

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I've been praying for the Gulf coast to suffer a massive oil spill?



Specifically no, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. You have been looking for anything to bitch about, no matter how small, so yes, I imagine a part of you was quite ticked that you had some new ammo to aim at the Prez, even if your aim is off.

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Go fuck yourself.


Oooh, your biting wit has cut me to the quick.....

Oh, wait, no. Even a grade schooler has better quip skills.

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Sorry, but I put a long list of things above petty partisan politics.


...yeah....suuuure you do. We've just yet to see any evidence of such. Your title to the thread alone pretty clearly blows that bullshit claim out of the water (no pun intended).


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Don't try to view me through the lens YOU alone see the world.


And at the risk of repeating myself....

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!

You're on a roll today.





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This only means that really bad things sometimes will occur, no matter what, and the Imperial Federal Gov't is not, never was nor ever WILL be all powerful, blessed with endless resources and the ability to respond everywhere that its needed, with the right planning, the right people and the right equipment.


Of course, there are ways to lessen the risks. But those involve the damned evil regulations.

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Too many of you fuckers live in a god damn dream world, where you ponder questions like children, while never fully understanding the real world limitations.


The idea that you, who has on so many occasions shown a complete disregard, and even disdain for factual reality, is critiquing the way ANYONE else views the world is frankly too pathetic to even laugh at.

You are a sad little man.


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Monday, May 3, 2010 12:57 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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"It wasn't our accident, but we are absolutely responsible for the oil, for cleaning it up, and that's what we intend to do," BP Group CEO Tony Hayward told NBC's "TODAY" show.



What if, for purely argument's sake, he's right ?

BP didn't own that rig, Transocean did.



BP leased it. If you lease a car and wreck it into a lake, is it the carmaker's fault, or the leasing company, or yours? Somehow, you seem to think it's Obama's...

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As for Obama, there was a very long lag in response. Is that HIS fault ?

Or is he simply President of a bloated, ill equipped, mismanaged Federal bureaucracy which is over matched when it comes to dealing with real world events ( no pun, honest )



Yes, he didn't get the Coast Guard on site and searching for survivors until the very next day after the explosion. How dare he!

You claim I see things only through a political lens. Have you checked your mirror lately?



Mike

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Too many of you fuckers live in a god damn dream world, where you ponder questions like children, while never fully understanding the real world limitations.




Toss in as many childish profanities as you'd like. It only shows how petty and limited your thinking is on this , and other matters.

Where have I heard that before?



Mike

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:07 PM

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Regardless of who typed it ... it's the story you're trying to sell. Man up about it at least.


Regardless of who typed it ? Hell, I'm seeing a pattern here, where you go after me for what OTHERS have said.

I'm not having to sell anything. Obama sucks. Plain and simple. It's a story which sells itself, tragedy or no.


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Specifically no, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. You have been looking for anything to bitch about, no matter how small, so yes, I imagine a part of you was quite ticked that you had some new ammo to aim at the Prez, even if your aim is off.


You SAID I've been praying for THIS. Look at the gorram thread title. What else COULD you have meant? Oh, and something to bitch about ? After 8 years of you whack jobs literally INVENTING shit to make up about W, when the 'BIG STUFF' didn't yield you any results?


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The idea that you, who has on so many occasions shown a complete disregard, and even disdain for factual reality, is critiquing the way ANYONE else views the world is frankly too pathetic to even laugh at.



A ridiculous claim on your part, and one which has zero credibility , what so ever. Your OPINION is not, nor ever was to be confused with " factual reality". That I disagree w/ your views is in no way what so ever evidence of your claim.

You're smaller and even more pathetic.






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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:09 PM

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Your OPINION is not, nor ever was to be confused with " factual reality". That I disagree w/ your views is in no way what so ever evidence of your claim.
Problem is, I've GIVEN you "factual reality, you're just choosing to ignore it.

Fact: BP LEASED the rig
Fact: BP OWNS the oil
Fact: Halliburton PUT IN the cement that might well have caused the explosion.
Fact: BP has TONS of fines and prosecutions for safety violations. It's all documented.

You wanna try again? You've taken another right turn off the topic...we noticed. What happened to "Obama talks as oil laps"?

Pffft...what a waste.

But for fun, how about a timeline of the events, which shows that BP and the Coast Guard were minimizing the effects for DAYS before the size of the disaster became known? Katrina was obvious as soon as it passed, and they had warnings DAYS in advance. Not only did Obama not KNOW the spill was devastating right off, but the figures were kept low for days:
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After an explosion occurred on BP's Deepwater Horizon rig off the Gulf Coast, the initial word from the Coast Guard was that there was no oil spill. That soon changed as the government announced that 1,000 barrels of thick oil per day were spilling into the ocean.

Then, in a dramatic shift on Wednesday evening, the government changed its 1,000 barrels estimate to 5,000 barrels per day. BP initially rejected the new estimate about the spill, which experts now believe could be worse than the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster.

We're sure to learn more in the coming months and years about what the government and BP knew about the scope of the disaster, when they knew it, and whether they responded appropriately. For now, we decided to take a look at the course of events, and the shifting public statements of company and government officials on the spill.

•April 20: At around 10 p.m. a fire is reported on the central time on the Deepwater Horizon rig, owned by Transocean Ltd. and under lease to energy giant BP, according to an April 21 statement from Transocean. There is no mention of any possible spill. Eleven workers are killed.

•April 22: With the media coverage of the explosion focusing on the missing workers and, initially, not about the possibility of a spill, AFP notes the possibility of an environmental disaster: the rig had been drilling 8,000 barrels of oil per day, and had 700,000 gallons of diesel fuel on board. "Worst case scenario, there is a potential environmental threat," Coast Guard spokeswoman Katherine McNamara tells the wire service. BP's chief executive, Tony Hayward, says BP will do "everything in our power to contain this oil spill and resolve the situation as rapidly, safely and effectively as possible." The company said it dispatched a team to deal with the oil that dispersed from the original blast.

•April 23: The day after the rig sank, the AP reports: "Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said Friday morning that no oil appeared to be leaking from the well head at the ocean floor, nor was any leaking at the water's surface. However, Landry said crews were closely monitoring the rig for any more crude that might spill out.

•April 24: In the late afternoon, the AP reports that the Coast Guard has reversed its earlier statement that there was no oil leaking. The wire service quotes Guard officials as saying an estimated 1,000 barrels of oil per day are coming out of the well head on the ocean floor, 5,000 feet under water. Landry says that the oil may have been pouring out since the rig sank on April 22.

BP's chief operating officer, Doug Suttles, speaking about options on responding to the spill, says, "Over the next several days, we should determine which method is the best one to follow"

•April 26: BP says in a press release it is 'accelerating offshore oil recovery and continuing well control efforts. Improved weather "combined with the light, thin oil we are dealing with has further increased our confidence that we can tackle this spill offshore," says BP chief exec Tony Hayward.

•April 27: After underwater robots fail to stop the flow of oil, the coast guard floats the idea of containing pools of oil in containment booms and then setting it on fire. Meanwhile, BP says it will begin drilling a new relief well near the spill site later in the week; the process could take months.

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), chair of the Energy and Commerce committee, writes a letter (.pdf) to the chairman of BP notifying him of an investigation into "what the companies knew about the risks of drilling at the site and the adequacy of the companies' response plans." He charges that "[a] striking feature of the incident is the apparent lack of an adequate plan to contain the spreading environmental damage. The two companies involved, BP Exploration and Production, Inc., and Transocean Ltd., are attempting to contain the oil spilling from the well with techniques that have never been used before at these ocean depths."

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar announce an investigation of the explosion.

•April 28: Late Wednesday, the Coast Guard announces that 5,000, not 1,000, barrels a day of oil are spilling, citing a new National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration estimate. At the same press conference as the Coast Guard announcement, BP COO Doug Suttle disputes the new estimate and argues that a newly discovered leak does not change the rate of the spill. "He showed a diagram showing where the leaks are and said the newly discovered leak is upstream from the previous leaks," the AP reports.

•April 29: Suttle acknowledges on the Today Show that the government's new estimate may be accurate. In a Rose Garden statement, Obama says the Administration will use "every single available resource" to address the spill, including the military. He also says BP will have to pay the costs.

•May 2: In the past 24 hours, Obama had visited the Gulf Coast "to inspect response operations firsthand," the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had issued fishing restrictions and had joined forces with BP to test a new technique to break up the leaking oil before it hits the surface, BP had set up a process for handling claims for damage and losses due to the spill, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar had collaborated with the governors of Gulf Coast states to coordinate federal and state efforts, and the EPA had started posting air-monitoring data regarding the potential effect of the oil burns (so far, "no red flags").

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/the_gulf_coast_bp_oi
l_spill_a_timeline_1.php


Katrina?
Quote:

August 26:

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA

GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON

August 27:

GOV. HALEY BARBOUR DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN MISSISSIPPI

KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE

GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA

FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA

August 28:

KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE

LOUISIANA NEWSPAPER SIGNALS LEVEES MAY GIVE

MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW ORLEANS

BUSH, BROWN, CHERTOFF WARNED OF LEVEE FAILURE BY NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER DIRECTOR

REPORTS OF WATER TOPPLING OVER LEVEE

APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD

LOUISIANA NATIONAL GUARD REQUESTS 700 BUSES FROM FEMA FOR EVACUATIONS (FEMA sent 100)

August 29:

KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE

BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH

MAYOR NAGIN REPORTS THAT WATER IS FLOWING OVER LEVEE

WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH

BROWN WARNS BUSH ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVASTATION OF KATRINA

MAYFIELD WARNS BUSH ABOUT THE TOPPING OF THE LEVEES

BUSH CALLS SECRETARY CHERTOFF TO DISCUSS IMMIGRATION

BUSH SHARES BIRTHDAY CAKE PHOTO-OP WITH SEN. JOHN MCCAIN

MICHAEL BROWN FINALLY REQUESTS THAT DHS DISPATCH 1,000 EMPLOYEES TO REGION, GIVES THEM TWO DAYS TO ARRIVE

BUSH VISITS ARIZONA RESORT TO PROMOTE MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT

BUSH TRAVELS TO CALIFORNIA SENIOR CENTER TO DISCUSS MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT

RUMSFELD ATTENDS SAN DIEGO PADRES BASEBALL GAME

GOV. BLANCO AGAIN REQUESTS ASSISTANCE FROM BUSH

BUSH GOES TO BED WITHOUT ACTING ON BLANCO’S REQUESTS

August 30:

BUSH SPEAKS ON IRAQ AT NAVAL BASE CORONADO

MASS LOOTING REPORTED, SECURITY SHORTAGE CITED

CHERTOFF CLAIMS HE FINALLY BECOMES AWARE THAT LEVEE HAS FAILED

U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: “The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders.

PRESIDENT BUSH PLAYS GUITAR WITH COUNTRY SINGER MARK WILLIS

BUSH RETURNS TO CRAWFORD FOR FINAL NIGHT OF VACATION

August 31:

FEMA REQUESTS AMBULANCES THAT DO NOT EXIST: “Almost 18 hours later, [FEMA] canceled the request for the ambulances because it turned out, as one FEMA employee put it, ‘the DOT doesn’t do ambulances.’”

FEMA STAFF WARNED BROWN THAT PEOPLE WERE DYING AT THE SUPERDOME

PRESIDENT BUSH FINALLY ORGANIZES TASK FORCE TO COORDINATE FEDERAL RESPONSE: Bush says on Tuesday he will “fly to Washington to begin work…with a task force that will coordinate the work of 14 federal agencies involved in the relief effort.”

BLANCO AGAIN TRIES TO REQUEST HELP FROM BUSH: “She was transferred around the White House for a while until she ended up on the phone with Fran Townsend, the president’s Homeland Security adviser, who tried to reassure her but did not have many specifics. Hours later, Blanco called back and insisted on speaking to the president. When he came on the line, the governor recalled, “I just asked him for help, ‘whatever you have’.” She asked for 40,000 troops.”

BUSH GIVES FIRST MAJOR ADDRESS ON KATRINA: “Nothing about the president’s demeanor… — which seemed casual to the point of carelessness — suggested that he understood the depth of the current crisis.”

CONDOLEEZZA RICE TAKES IN A BROADWAY SHOW

FEMA DIRECTOR BROWN CLAIMS SURPRISE OVER SIZE OF STORM

September 1:

BUSH CLAIMS NO ONE EXPECTED LEVEES TO BREAK: “I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees.” However, as former FEMA Director Michael Brown told CNN, “the president knew from our earlier conversations that that was one of my concerns, that the levees could actually breach.”

CONDOLEEZZA RICE VISITS U.S. OPEN

STILL NO COMMAND AND CONTROL ESTABLISHED: Terry Ebbert, New Orleans Homeland Security Director: “This is a national emergency. This is a national disgrace. FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans.”

MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES “DESPERATE SOS” TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

MICHAEL BROWN CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE HEARD OF REPORTS OF VIOLENCE: “I’ve had no reports of unrest, if the connotation of the word unrest means that people are beginning to riot, or you know, they’re banging on walls and screaming and hollering or burning tires or whatever. I’ve had no reports of that.”

CONDOLEEZZA RICE GOES SHOE SHOPPING: “Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we’ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo’s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice’s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, ‘How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!’”

September 2:

CAMPAIGN TO BLAME LOCAL OFFICIALS BEGINS: “Under the command of President Bush’s two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan…to contain the political damage from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina.” President Bush’s comments from the Rose Garden Friday morning formed “the start of this campaign.”

BUSH WATCHES DVD OF THE WEEK’S NEWSCASTS CREATED BY STAFF WHO THOUGHT BUSH “NEEDED TO SEE THE HORRIFIC REPORTS”: “The reality, say several aides who did not wish to be quoted because it might displease the president, did not really sink in until Thursday night. Some White House staffers were watching the evening news and thought the president needed to see the horrific reports coming out of New Orleans. Counselor Bartlett made up a DVD of the newscasts so Bush could see them in their entirety as he flew down to the Gulf Coast the next morning on Air Force One.”

PRESIDENT BUSH STAGES PHOTO-OP “BRIEFING”: Coast Guard helicopters and crew diverted to act as backdrop for President Bush’s photo-op

BUSH PRAISES MICHAEL BROWN: “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.”

BUSH USES 50 FIREFIGHTERS AS PROPS IN DISASTER AREA PHOTO-OP: A group of 1,000 firefighters convened in Atlanta to volunteer with the Katrina relief efforts. Of those, “a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew’s first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.”

BUSH “SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSE"

FEMA’S NO. 2 OFFICIAL “IMPRESSED” WITH GOVERNMENT RESPONSE

BUSH COMMENTS ON SEN. TRENT LOTT’S HOUSE: “Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott’s house — he’s lost his entire house — there’s going to be a fantastic house. And I’m looking forward to sitting on the porch.” Time called the remarks “astonishingly tone-deaf to the homeless black citizens still trapped in the postapocalyptic water world of New Orleans.”

CONGRESS APPROVES INITIAL FUNDING

September 3:

SENIOR BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL LIES TO WASHINGTON POST, CLAIMS GOV. BLANCO NEVER DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY: The Post reported in their Sunday edition “As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.” They were forced to issue a correction hours later.

FEMA FINALIZES BUS REQUEST: “FEMA ended up modifying the number of buses it thought it needed to get the job done, until it settled on a final request of 1,335 buses at 8:05 p.m. on Sept. 3. The buses, though, trickled into New Orleans, with only a dozen or so arriving the first day.”

CHERTOFF CLAIMS THAT NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED KATRINA: Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff argues that “government planners did not predict such a disaster ever could occur.” However, scientists and others had warned of the possibility for years.

THE LOUISIANA SUPERDOME IS FULLY EVACUATED

September 5:

FORMER FIRST LADY PATRONIZES POOR REFUGEES: Former First Lady Barbara Bush says, “Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them.”

September 8:

CONGRESS APPROVES MORE RELIEF FUNDING

September 9:

BROWN STRIPPED OF RELIEF DUTIES

September 12:

BROWN RESIGNS

September 13:

BUSH TAKES RESPONSIBILITY FOR FLAWED RESPONSE: “Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government,” Mr. Bush said. “And to the extent that the federal government didn’t fully do its job right, I take responsibility.”

September 14:

INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIVE PANEL REJECTED: Senate Republicans voted down an attempt by Sen. Hillary Clinton “to establish an independent, bipartisan panel patterned after the 9/11 Commission to investigate” the government’s failures following Hurricane Katrina.

http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline/

Tell me there's a comparison. It went on far longer, but this is enough. Lessee, Dumbya started getting warnings August 26; Katrina landed August 29; the Superdrome was finally evacuated September 3. Eight days, WITH WARNINGS before Katrina arrived, and it took them 5 days to even GET THERE.

Oil spill: Up until May 1, the extent of the spill wasn't known, and even the next day, BP was disputing the numbers. So 3 days so far, and I don't know what the news is today. with no warnings, spill being minimized for a week, etc. They're there already. How good the response will be and what happens from here on, we'll have to see. But Katrina was totally screwed up; warnings ignored, FACTS ignored, lack of communication, lack of cooperation, then the cover-ups began almost immediately.

Let the right try to make it "Obama's Katrina", the facts speak for themselves.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:12 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


BP has tons of fines, huh?

This the SAME BP which was in line for an award for SAFETY ?

Hope and Change, baby.






Bones: "Don't 'rawr' her!"
Booth: "What? she'rawred' me first."

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
BP has tones so fines, huh?



Care to try that in English?

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions


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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:20 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, gee, a typo. THAT's the best you can come up with in the face of many, MANY facts and cites? Duh...

How ABOUT those "tons" of fines, as in many, as in a lot, as in a bunch...anything to say about that?

Jezus Kriste, we already went over the award bullshit--you going back to that feeble thing? If the buck stops at the President, why didn't the buck stop at Dumbya when he was WARNED about Katrina, by so many people? Betcha Obama didn't even KNOW about the award thing, it's not his department, remember? As I said, and more: Any President who micro-manages to THAT degree gets nothing done!

Hee, hee, hee, I just glanced up and saw "...we hope that you will provide literate and thought provoking ones." Yup, that's what he provides all right!

Augh, I gotta stop this...been fun looking stuff up, gave me a new, clearer perspective, but I'm wasting my time here. I'm out; have fun with your delusions.


"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

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Monday, May 3, 2010 1:28 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Actually, Niki, I was poking fun at Rappy's response, because it was so garbled as to be unintelligible (no new tale to tell there). Yours actually looked fine. Rappy went back and fixed his, eventually, after a couple tries.

It was kinda funny the way he wrote it originally, though.

"BP has tones so fines" - it sounds like he's giving a good review to some band!

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Monday, May 3, 2010 2:00 PM

DREAMTROVE


I support the president's doing of nothing here. He's reversing his offshore drilling stance, for like the third time, but that's all good, it will cause congress to argue more. When congress is arguing, they're not doing anything productive, which is good for us. Govt. doing something is almost always bad for us, so I don't know why so many people get angry with a govt. that does nothing.

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