CNN Reports Rampant Racism... I disagree by AnthonyT

REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

CNN Reports Rampant Racism... I disagree

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:37
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 370
PAGE 1 of 1

Friday, May 14, 2010 10:59 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I came across a CNN article that suggested a bleak picture of racism amongst our youth. Based on startlingly small samples, researchers found that little boys and girls have strong racial attitudes about skin color.

The article seemed rather alarming, until I actually opened up the linked report details.

First of all, the questions are framed in such a way as to require an answer. "Point out the dumb kid," for instance. There was no selection for "I can't tell by looking" or whatnot. This is, to me, a flawed question.

Nontheless, some children refused to answer (a solution that may not have occurred to all of the children.)

After reading the actual study results, I felt better and less alarmed.

I wish they had solicited answers from High Schoolers as well. One wonders if the "Did not Answer" at age 5 might have become a "Go F*ck Yourself" at age 16.

--Anthony

(I have copied some questions and results below from the report at CNN.com)

Early Childhood Sample - Percents and Frequencies of Children's Skin Tone Selections
for the Clark Replication Items by Racial Group
The early childhood sample was comprised of 36 Black and 29 White children in
prekindergarten and kindergarten.

1) Show me the "smart" child - the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 37.14% (n=13)
ii) White children - 24.14 % (n=7)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 28.57% (n=10)
ii) White children - 17.24% (n=5)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 34.29% (n=12)
ii) White children - 58.62% (n=17)

2) Show me the "dumb" child - the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 2 Black children did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
17
i) Black children - 50% (n=17)
ii) White children - 75.86% (n=22)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 8.82% (n=3)
ii) White children - 3.45% (n=1)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 41.18% (n=14)
ii) White children - 20.69% (n=6)

3) Show me the "nice" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE statistically significant;
there more White and fewer Black children than expected who selected the two lightest skin
tones (note: 1 Black child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 31.43% (n=11)
ii) White children - 10.34% (n=3)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 34.29% (n=12)
ii) White children - 20.69% (n=6)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 37.5% (n=12)
ii) White children - 62.5% (n=20)

4) Show me the "mean" child - the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
18
i) Black children - 57.14% (n=20)
ii) White children - 65.52% (n=19)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 11.43% (n=4)
ii) White children - 24.14% (n=7)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 31.43% (n=11)
ii) White children - 10.34% (n=3)

5) Show me the "good" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 37.14% (n=13)
ii) White children - 20.69% (n=6)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 25.71% (n=9)
ii) White children - 27.59% (n=8)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 37.14% (n=13)
ii) White children - 51.72% (n=15)

6) Show me the "bad" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE statistically significant;
there more fewer White and more Black children than expected who selected the two lightest
skin tones (note: 1 Black child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
19
i) Black children - 37.14% (n=13)
ii) White children - 58.62% (n=17)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 20% (n=7)
ii) White children - 27.59% (n=8)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 42.86% (n=15)
ii) White children - 13.79% (n=4)

7) Show me the "good looking" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE statistically
significant; there were more White and fewer Black children than expected who selected the
two lightest skin tones (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 40% (n=14)
ii) White children - 7.14% (n=2)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 31.43% (n=11)
ii) White children - 10.71% (n=3)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 28.57% (n=10)
ii) White children - 82.14% (n=23)

8) Show me the "ugly" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE statistically
significant; there were more Black and fewer White children than expected who selected the
two lightest skin tones (note: 2 Black children and 1 White child did not answer the question)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
20
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 41.18% (n=14)
ii) White children - 53.57% (n=15)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 11.76% (n=4)
ii) White children - 32.14% (n=9)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 47.06% (n=16)
ii) White children - 14.29% (n=4)

9) Show me the child you would like as a "classmate" - the differences in frequency counts
WERE statistically significant; there were more White and fewer Black children than
expected who selected the two lightest skin tones; there were also more Black and fewer
White children who selected the two darkest skin tones (note: 1 Black child and 1 White
child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 25.71% (n=9)
ii) White children -3.57 % (n=1)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 34.29% (n=12)
ii) White children - 7.14% (n=2)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 40% (n=14)
ii) White children - 89.29% (n=25)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
21

10) Show me the child you would "like to play with"- the differences in frequency counts WERE
statistically significant; there were more White and fewer Black children than expected who
selected the two lightest skin tones; there were also more Black and fewer White children
who selected the two darkest skin tones (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not
answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 57.14% (n=20)
ii) White children - 21.43% (n=6)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 22.86% (n=8)
ii) White children - 14.29% (n=4)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 20% (n=7)
ii) White children - 64.29% (n=18)

11) Show me the child you would "like to be friends with"- the differences in frequency counts
WERE NOT statistically significant (note: 2 Black children and 1 White child did not answer
the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 35.29% (n=12)
ii) White children - 17.86% (n=5)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 20.59% (n=7)
ii) White children - 32.14% (n=9)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
22
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 44% (n=15)
ii) White children - 50% (n=14)
Early Childhood Sample - Percents and Frequencies of Children's Skin Tone Selections
for the Group Preference Scale Items by Racial Group

12) Show me the child that has your skin color - as expected, the differences in frequency counts
WERE statistically significant; all of the White children selected the two lightest skin tones
and all but three of the Black children selected the two darkest skin tones
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 44.44% (n=16)
ii) White children - 0% (n=0)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 47.22% (n=17)
ii) White children - 0% (n=0)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 8.33% (n=3)
ii) White children - 100% (n=17)

13) Show me the child who has the skin color you want as your own - the differences in
frequency counts WERE NOT statistically significant
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 30.56% (n=11)
ii) White children - 24.14% (n=7)
b) Middle skin tone
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
23
i) Black children - 22.22% (n=8)
ii) White children - 10.34% (n=3)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 47.22% (n=17)
ii) White children - 65.52% (n=19)

14) Show me the child who has the skin color you don't want- the differences in frequency
counts WERE statistically significant; there more White and fewer Black children than
expected who selected the two darkest skin tones and there were more Black and fewer
White children than expected who selected the two lightest skin tones (note: 1 Black child
and 1 White child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 51.43% (n=18)
ii) White children - 85.71% (n=24)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 0% (n=0)
ii) White children - 10.71% (n=3)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 48.57% (n=17)
ii) White children - 3.57% (n=1)

15) Show me the child who has the skin color most children like - the differences in frequency
counts WERE NOT statistically significant (note: 1 White child did not answer the question)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 13.89% (n=5)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
24
ii) White children - 17.86% (n=5)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 38.89% (n=14)
ii) White children - 28.57% (n=8)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 47.22% (n=17)
ii) White children - 53.57% (n=15)

16) Show me the child who has the skin color most children don't like- the differences in
frequency counts WERE NOT statistically significant
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 61.11% (n=22)
ii) White children - 65.52% (n=19)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 5.56% (n=2)
ii) White children - 10.34% (n=3)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 33.33% (n=12)
ii) White children - 24.14% (n=7)

17) Show me the child who has the skin color most boys/girls want- the differences in frequency
counts WERE NOT statistically significant
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 36.11% (n=13)
ii) White children - 17.24% (n=5)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
25
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 30.56% (n=11)
ii) White children - 24.14% (n=7)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 33.33% (n=12)
ii) White children - 58.62% (n=17)

18) Show me the child who has the skin color most boys/girls don't want- the differences in
frequency counts WERE statistically significant; there were more Black and fewer White
children than expected who selected the two lightest skin tones
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 52.78% (n=19)
ii) White children - 62.07% (n=18)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 2.78% (n=1)
ii) White children - 17.24% (n=5)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 44.44% (n=16)
ii) White children - 20.69% (n=6)

19) Show me the child who has the skin color most adults like- the differences in frequency
counts WERE NOT statistically significant
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 41.67% (n=15)
ii) White children - 27.59% (n=8)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
26
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 27.78% (n=10)
ii) White children - 17.24% (n=5)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 30.56% (n=11)
ii) White children - 55.17% (n=16)

20) Show me the child who has the skin color most adults don't like - the differences in
frequency counts WERE NOT statistically significant
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 36.11% (n=13)
ii) White children -58.62 % (n=17)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 19.44% (n=7)
ii) White children - 10.34% (n=3)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 44.44% (n=16)
ii) White children -31.03% (n=9)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
27
Middle Childhood Sample - Percents and Frequencies of Children's Skin Tone Selections
for the Clark Replication Items by Racial Group
The middle childhood sample was comprised of 39 Black and 29 White children in
grades three through five.

1) Show me the "smart" child - the differences in frequency counts WERE statistically
significant; there were more White and fewer Black children than expected who selected the
two lightest skin tones (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in
addition, 4 Black children and 8 White children did not make a selection; they claimed that
all of the children could be smart and, thus, they could not select just one child)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 17.65% (n=6)
ii) White children - 0% (n=0)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 44.12% (n=15)
ii) White children - 30% (n=6)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 38.24% (n=13)
ii) White children - 70% (n=14)

2) Show me the "dumb" child - the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in addition, 12
Black children and 12 White children did not make a selection; 1 children claimed that
he/she didn't know which child was the dumb child and 23 claimed that none of them were
the dumb child. For example, "All kids are smart in something.")
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
28
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 42.31% (n=11)
ii) White children - 25% (n=4)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 15.38% (n=4)
ii) White children - 31.25% (n=5)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 42.31% (n=11)
ii) White children - 43.75% (n=7)

3) Show me the "nice" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in addition, 4
Black children and 11 White children did not make a selection; most claimed that all of them
could be nice and, thus, they would not select just one child)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 35.29% (n=12)
ii) White children - 29.41% (n=5)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 23.53% (n=8)
ii) White children - 23.53% (n=4)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 41.18% (n=14)
ii) White children - 47.06% (n=8)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
29

4) Show me the "mean" child - the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in addition, 7
Black children and 12 White children did not make a selection; most claimed that none of
them were mean)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 54.84% (n=17)
ii) White children - 43.75% (n=7)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 12.9% (n=4)
ii) White children - 25% (n=4)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 32.26% (n=10)
ii) White children - 31.25% (n=5)

5) Show me the "good" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in addition, 3
Black children and 9 White children did not make a selection; most of these children claimed
that all of then could be nice and, thus, they could not choose just one child)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 31.43% (n=11)
ii) White children - 31.58% (n=6)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 22.86% (n=8)
ii) White children - 21.05% (n=4)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
30
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 45.71% (n=16)
ii) White children - 47.37% (n=9)

6) Show me the "bad" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in addition, 6
Black children and 10 White children did not make a selection; most of these children
claimed that none of them was the bad child)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 59.38% (n=19)
ii) White children - 50% (n=9)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 12.5% (n=4)
ii) White children - 11.11% (n=2)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 28.13% (n=9)
ii) White children - 38.89% (n=7)

7) Show me the "good looking" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE statistically
significant; there were more White and fewer Black children than expected who selected the
two lightest skin tones (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in
addition, 6 Black and 11 White children did not make a selection; most of the children
claimed that all of the children were good-looking and, thus, they could not select just one
child)
a) Two darkest skin tones
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
31
i) Black children - 31.25% (n=10)
ii) White children - 5.88% (n=1)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 34.38% (n=11)
ii) White children - 17.65% (n=3)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 34.38% (n=11)
ii) White children - 76.47% (n=13)

8) Show me the "ugly" child- the differences in frequency counts WERE NOT statistically
significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the question; in addition, 10
Black children and 14 White children did not make a selection; most of them claimed that
none of them were ugly )
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 46.43% (n=13)
ii) White children - 35.71% (n=5)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 21.43% (n=6)
ii) White children - 35.71% (n=5)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 32.14% (n=9)
ii) White children - 28.57% (n=4)

9) Show me the child you would like as a "classmate" - the differences in frequency counts
WERE statistically significant; there were more White and fewer Black children than
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
32
expected who selected the two lightest skin tones; there were also more Black and fewer
White children who selected the two darkest skin tones (note: 1 Black child and 1 White
child did not answer the question; in addition, 4 Black and 7 White children did not make a
selection, claiming that they would like any of them as a classmate)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 52.94% (n=18)
ii) White children - 14.29% (n=3)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 29.41% (n=10)
ii) White children - 28.57% (n=6)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 17.65% (n=6)
ii) White children - 57.14% (n=12)

10) Show me the child you would "like to play with"- the differences in frequency counts WERE
NOT statistically significant (note: 1 Black child and 1 White child did not answer the
question; in addition, 4 Black children and 7 White children did not make a selection,
claiming that they would like to play with any of them or that they would have to get to know
them before making a decision)
a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 41.18% (n=14)
ii) White children - 28.57% (n=6)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 20.59% (n=7)
CNN Pilot Demonstration
4-28-10
33
ii) White children - 4.76% (n=1)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 38.24% (n=13)
ii) White children - 66.67% (n=14)

11) Show me the child you would "like to be friends with"- the differences in frequency counts
WERE statistically significant; there were fewer White and more Black children than
expected who selected the two darkest skin tones and there were more White and fewer
Black children than expected who selected the middle skin tone (note: 1 Black child and 1
White child did not answer the question; in addition, 5 Black and 10 White children did not
make a selection, claiming that they would like to be friends with all of them or any of them)

a) Two darkest skin tones
i) Black children - 35.29% (n=13)
ii) White children - 17.86% (n=1)
b) Middle skin tone
i) Black children - 20.59% (n=7)
ii) White children - 32.14% (n=9)
c) Two lightest skin tones
i) Black children - 44% (n=13)
ii) White children - 50% (n=8)

"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner

"You can lose a quark you don't girth." -Dreamtrove's words to live by, translated by Ipad

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 14, 2010 11:09 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Flawed report, from what I read; either CNN didn't do its homework or they liked the numbers, it seems to me.

"I'm just right. Kinda like the sun rising in the east and the world being round...its not a need its just the way it is." The Delusional "Hero", 3/1/10

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 14, 2010 11:34 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Oh joy, yet another pre-loaded "study" trying to "prove" we all need to be controlled "for our own good"...

If Siggy and Rue were around they'd rip this thing to bits, but you'll hafta settle for pounding it into the turf from me, I guess.

Sample size too small, pre-selected with nefarious intent, and tremendously loaded, leading questions besides.

I also think I'd be having some strong words with the shitheads allowed to give such a survey to kids, cause the very act of doing so, in combination with observation of behavioral cues the adults might not even be aware they're giving off, can have a negative effect on the children involved.

And I don't even have to wonder about your pondering of high schooler responses, cause that's *exactly* what many of em would say.

In counter to this yet-another-chunk-of-bolus which will wind up referenced as an authoritative source by more of the same until it becomes another brick of "common knowledge" that's wholesale bullshit, and yet people building policy on it...

I offer this, although I would VERY much like to track down the exact studies in question.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275574/Babies-know-difference
-good-evil-months-study-reveals.html

-Frem

NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

Friday, May 14, 2010 11:37 AM

WHOZIT

This is why CNN is getting it's ass kicked by FOX News, MSNBC, HLN, and the FOOD Network.

NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | TOP | HOME

YOUR OPTIONS

SHARE THREAD

NEW POSTS TODAY

USER	POST DATE

USER

POST DATE