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The Anonymous Secret Hold
Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:19 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:OF ALL THE maddening practices that clog the arteries of the national legislature, the most infuriating may be the Senate institution known as the "secret hold." As has been vividly demonstrated this year (when Jim Bunning put a hold on extension of unemployment benefits), a single senator can stop action -- on a piece of legislation or a pending nomination -- by placing a "hold." No reason needs to be given, though generally one is, often having nothing to do with the merits of the underlying issue. This exercise is troubling enough, although some defend it as an important attention-getting device. Even more troubling, though, is the practice of the secret or anonymous hold. This is a 100-member game of Clue in which some unknown senator is holding up action but is unwilling to take the heat of doing so publicly or explaining why. This is unacceptable in a democratic body -- as even the Senate has agreed time and time again. In 1999, for example, we lauded Senate leaders for ending "an indefensible and odious practice." In 2007, we reported the happy news that, with the new ethics and lobbying law, "those who place holds on legislation must come forward within six days." But the secret hold has somehow managed to live on -- despite the valiant efforts of Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) to kill it.
Quote:Now, the relentless duo -- they've been at this since 1996 -- is trying again, with an amendment to the pending financial reform bill. Senators have apparently managed to evade the requirement to come forward within six days or drop the hold by simply handing off the anonymous hold to an anonymous colleague. Sen Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) aptly calls this "hold laundering." In addition, the six-day period is triggered only when the measure is formally brought to the floor. And the punishment for violating the rule against secret holds is . . . well, no one knows what it is. The new Wyden-Grassley proposal, still taking shape, would require senators who want to place a hold on legislation to do so in writing to their party leader. This hold statement would be published two days after the hold is placed, whether or not the measure is on the floor. The Senate should adopt the amendment and, finally, end the secrecy. As Mr. Grassley said, if senators have a problem with a particular proposal or nominee, "they ought to have the guts to go public."
Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:56 PM
DREAMTROVE
Sunday, May 16, 2010 5:18 AM
Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:25 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:38 AM
Quote:it is a mockery of the process that the american people cannot vote their interests to begin with since they don't know, are kept in the dark about, so very much that goes on there
Quote: the ethics committee should be removed as a congressional responsibility and given over to the judiciary branch, and the members thereof should be selected by the states.
Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Okay, how do we go about getting that done?
Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:40 AM
HKCAVALIER
Sunday, May 16, 2010 3:48 PM
Monday, May 17, 2010 12:52 AM
Monday, May 17, 2010 6:55 AM
Monday, May 17, 2010 7:03 AM
Monday, May 17, 2010 8:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: When you have enough people who want to be spoon-fed things which enhance what they want to believe, such as in FauxNews, and it become the highest-rated SINGLE place people get "news", it says something both about the manipulators AND those being manipulated, which doesn't make me feel hopeful that what you postulate might come to be. Sadly...
Monday, May 17, 2010 1:02 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, September 24, 2010 8:15 AM
BILL7
Friday, September 24, 2010 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Hk Assuming that people are intelligent and creational. The nonexistence of god as a human has been evident for millennia to the casual observer, the hypocrisy of the church has been wide-open for centuries since the invention of the printing press. I would like to belief in your future, but for some reason I keep seeing this as a brief renaissance, and future humans being pulled back into a corporate controlled media world, when giant multinational conglomerates own the ultimate information sources and modify the search results etc so that the non-critical thinker can lookup a dubious statement and find erroneously that it is true because a controlled information source says so.
Friday, September 24, 2010 8:46 AM
Friday, September 24, 2010 9:44 AM
RIVERLOVE
Friday, September 24, 2010 9:46 AM
Friday, September 24, 2010 1:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bill7: You spelled believe wrong. Your thesaurus didn't tell you that, did it?
Friday, September 24, 2010 4:31 PM
Friday, September 24, 2010 4:48 PM
Friday, September 24, 2010 4:54 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, September 24, 2010 5:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bill7: KWICO said You're mistaking a thesaurus for a dictionary. That's the second time I've told you that, "Bill". ;) Wrong. Actually the word was not spelled wrong, it was simply the wrong and the post looked like a thesaurus was used.
Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:26 AM
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