This kinda got touched on in a thread recently, and I found this article interesting. I disagree that not being religious is "laziness", as the author s..."/>
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'Spiritual' v. 'Religious'
Saturday, June 5, 2010 2:12 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:"I'm spiritual but not religious." It's a trendy phrase people often use to describe their belief that they don't need organized religion to live a life of faith. But for Jesuit priest James Martin, the phrase also hints at something else: egotism. "Being spiritual but not religious can lead to complacency and self-centeredness," says Martin, an editor at America, a national Catholic magazine based in New York City. "If it's just you and God in your room, and a religious community makes no demands on you, why help the poor?" Religious debates erupt over everything from doctrine to fashion. Martin has jumped into a running debate over the "I'm spiritual but not religious" phrase. The "I'm spiritual but not religious" community is growing so much that one pastor compared it to a movement. In a 2009 survey by the research firm LifeWay Christian Resources, 72 percent of millennials (18- to 29-year-olds) said they're "more spiritual than religious." The phrase is now so commonplace that it's spawned its own acronym ("I'm SBNR") and Facebook page: SBNR.org. But what exactly does being "spiritual but not religious" mean, and could there be hidden dangers in living such a life? Did you choose "Burger King Spirituality"? Heather Cariou, a New York City-based author who calls herself spiritual instead of religious, doesn't think so. She's adopted a spirituality that blends Buddhism, Judaism and other beliefs. "I don't need to define myself to any community by putting myself in a box labeled Baptist, or Catholic, or Muslim," she says. "When I die, I believe all my accounting will be done to God, and that when I enter the eternal realm, I will not walk though a door with a label on it." BJ Gallagher, a Huffington Post blogger who writes about spirituality, says she's SBNR because organized religion inevitably degenerates into tussles over power, ego and money. Gallagher tells a parable to illustrate her point: "God and the devil were walking down a path one day when God spotted something sparkling by the side of the path. He picked it up and held it in the palm of his hand. "Ah, Truth," he said. "Here, give it to me," the devil said. "I'll organize it." Gallagher says there's nothing wrong with people blending insights from different faith traditions to create what she calls a "Burger King Spirituality -- have it your way." She disputes the notion that spiritual people shun being accountable to a community. "Twelve-step people have a brilliant spiritual community that avoids all the pitfalls of organized religion," says Gallagher, author of "The Best Way Out is Always Through." "Each recovering addict has a 'god of our own understanding,' and there are no priests or intermediaries between you and your god. It's a spiritual community that works.'' Nazli Ekim, who works in public relations in New York City, says calling herself spiritual instead of religious is her way of taking responsibility for herself. Ekim was born in a Muslim family and raised in Istanbul, Turkey. She prayed to Allah every night, until she was 13 and had to take religion classes in high school.Then one day, she says she had to take charge of her own beliefs. "I had this revelation that I bow to no one, and I've been spiritually a much happier person," says Ekim, who describers herself now as a Taoist, a religious practice from ancient China that emphasizes the unity of humanity and the universe. "I make my own mistakes and take responsibility for them. I've lied, cheated, hurt people -- sometimes on purpose. Did I ever think I will burn in hell for all eternity? I didn't. Did I feel bad and made up for my mistakes? I certainly did, but not out of fear of God." Seminaries, churches, mosques and other institutions will struggle for survival if they don't somehow convince future generations that being religious isn't so bad after all, religion scholars warn. Jennifer Walters, dean of religious life at Smith College in Massachusetts, says there's a lot of good in old-time religion. Religious communities excel at caring for members in difficult times, encouraging members to serve others and teaching religious practices that have been tested and wrestled with for centuries, Walters says. "Hymn-singing, forms of prayer and worship, teachings about social justice and forgiveness -- all these things are valuable elements of religious wisdom," Walters says. "Piecing it together by yourself can be done, but with great difficulty." Being a spiritual Lone Ranger fits the tenor of our times, says June-Ann Greeley, a theology and philosophy professor. "Religion demands that we accord to human existence some absolutes and eternal truths, and in a post-modern culture, that becomes all but impossible," says Greeley, who teaches at Sacred Heart University in Connecticut. It's much easier for "spiritual" people to go on "spiritual walkabouts," Greeley says. "People seem not to have the time nor the energy or interest to delve deeply into any one faith or religious tradition," Greeley says. "So they move through, collecting ideas and practices and tenets that most appeal to the self, but making no connections to groups or communities." Being spiritual instead of religious may sound sophisticated, but the choice may ultimately come down to pettiness, says Martin, the Jesuit priest, who writes about the phrase in his book, "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost Everything)." "Religion is hard," he says. "Sometimes it's just too much work. People don't feel like it. I have better things to do with my time. It's plain old laziness."
Saturday, June 5, 2010 2:26 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Priest Religious, But Not Really Spiritual BOSTON—Father Clancy Donahue of St. Michael Catholic Church told reporters Wednesday that while he believed in blindly adhering to the dogma and ceremonies of his faith, he tried not to get too bogged down by actual spirituality. "I'm not so much into having a relationship with God as I am into mechanically conducting various rituals," Donahue said. "To me, it just feels empty to contemplate a higher power without blindly obeying canon law and protecting the church as an institution." Donahue emphasized that although he did not personally agree with those who pondered the eternal, he had nothing against them.
Saturday, June 5, 2010 2:55 PM
TRAVELER
Saturday, June 5, 2010 3:02 PM
MINCINGBEAST
Saturday, June 5, 2010 3:35 PM
DREAMTROVE
Saturday, June 5, 2010 3:57 PM
Quote:I don't need a religion to tell me what sort of god to worship and I don't push my beliefs on others. I feel it is lazy to simply except what some religion tells you to believe instead of doing the search yourself.
Quote:Ekim was born in a Muslim family and raised in Istanbul, Turkey. She prayed to Allah every night, until she was 13 and had to take religion classes in high school.Then one day, she says she had to take charge of her own beliefs. "I had this revelation that I bow to no one, and I've been spiritually a much happier person," says Ekim, who describers herself now as a Taoist, a religious practice from ancient China that emphasizes the unity of humanity and the universe. "I make my own mistakes and take responsibility for them. I've lied, cheated, hurt people -- sometimes on purpose. Did I ever think I will burn in hell for all eternity? I didn't. Did I feel bad and made up for my mistakes? I certainly did, but not out of fear of God."
Saturday, June 5, 2010 4:02 PM
Saturday, June 5, 2010 4:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Niki Can one not be both? I'm spiritually or religiously a Taoist, which is a belief of the search for the way, but like many eastern religions, taoists tend to believe that you can find guideposts to the way in all walks of life. Sure, Lao Tse's Tao te Ching is generally accepted as the core text, but it's far foam the end all be all of yin-yang spirituality. I would not be at all a hypocrite to be a member of a Christian church, attend a synagogue, bow to Mecca, take part in Hindu meditation before heading off to a Theravada Buddhist temple. Sure, some of the above religions might think it was hypocritcal, but probably not If I only did one of the above. My general feeling is that religion there for you to have advice and support, if you opt not to have one, I think you lose a little bit.
Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:08 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: They sent me to Sunday School, too, where I argued with the pastor...
Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:15 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:20 PM
Quote:For any religious organization that wants to continue to exist and have influence in the world, the thought of spiritualism without religion is distasteful. It implies the flock can survive without the (well compensated) shepherds.
Saturday, June 5, 2010 5:49 PM
Sunday, June 6, 2010 5:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: There were some early Christians who thought that God lived inside of everyone. They thought that you needed no intercessors between yourself and God. Their idea of spirituality was a personal journey to find the godlike qualities inside yourself and work to manifest them. Some of these folks even thought that women could minister and that there was no superiority of one sex over the other.
Sunday, June 6, 2010 5:46 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Mmmm, Fruity Pebbles, tastes like religion! -Frem
Sunday, June 6, 2010 5:51 AM
HKCAVALIER
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: There were some early Christians who thought that God lived inside of everyone. They thought that you needed no intercessors between yourself and God. Their idea of spirituality was a personal journey to find the godlike qualities inside yourself and work to manifest them. Some of these folks even thought that women could minister and that there was no superiority of one sex over the other. Do you mean Deism, Anthony ? Cause it took a good long while to actually squash, and still exists, quite significantly, especially within the Unitarian Universalists. Many of our founding fathers were, in fact, Diests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism#Deism_in_the_United_States -Frem
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Sunday, June 6, 2010 6:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Minos, btw. That's why it was called the Minotaur: cow of Minos.
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Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:55 PM
IREMISST
Quote:Originally posted by traveler: I would be a hypocrite to belong to a religion that I didn't fully share in its beliefs. And since I have found none that share my personal beliefs I stand alone. God and I have our personal relationship. I don't need a religion to tell me what sort of god to worship and I don't push my beliefs on others. I feel it is lazy to simply except what some religion tells you to believe instead of doing the search yourself.
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