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We should be THANKFUL that our dear leader is gettin' jiggy and partyin' it up!

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Monday, June 21, 2010 10:13 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


SNL couldn't have thought this one up....


Quote:

White House defends Obama's fun time during crisis


(AP) – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON — A White House spokesman says the whole country benefits when President Barack Obama takes time to go golfing and "clear his mind."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton on Monday defended Obama's leisure activities amid some Republican criticism that Obama should not be scheduling fun time during the Gulf oil spill crisis. The president went golfing on Saturday afternoon after attending a baseball game Friday night.
Burton said the people of the country stand by the notion that "their president ought to have a little time to clear his mind." He said Obama relaxed after a week in which he got help for victims of the oil spill and traveled to Ohio to speak on the economy, among other work. Burton said that having time to himself "probably does us all good."

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jttf8uFYFhO81H9c4zAY
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Monday, June 21, 2010 10:25 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
A White House spokesman says the whole country benefits when President Barack Obama takes time to go golfing and "clear his mind."


Is this an admission that the job is too much for him?

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I find those statements amazing. I said I found your remarks 'amazing'" Niki2, 2010.

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Monday, June 21, 2010 10:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Is this an admission that the job is too much for him?

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I find those statements amazing. I said I found your remarks 'amazing'" Niki2, 2010.




The President's social agenda is pretty healthy, at least....


Friday night - catch a National's baseball game.

Saturday - back to the golf course ( 39th round of his Presidency, and 7th time since the April 20th explosion in the Gulf )

Today - Father's Day BBQ at the White House....


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/06/obama-no-
moratorium-on-golf/1

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Monday, June 21, 2010 10:51 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The President's social agenda is pretty healthy, at least....


Friday night - catch a National's baseball game.



Hey, I was at that game too. So was George Will, a couple of rows away from Madame Geezer and me.

Kinda got the feeling that Pres. Obama considers his job a temp one, since he was reported to be wearing a Sox cap instead of a Nat's one.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, June 21, 2010 10:59 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


We ALL benefit when the assclowns in "authoritah" are not fraking with us.


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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:10 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Of course, you have to love the administration's feeble attempt at chiding Tony Hayward for yachting over the weekend, and snarking that Tony's "got his life back "

If Tony's got his life back, then Obama is LIVING the life...and livin' very large.


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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . . and think 25 to life would be appropriate.
--Jay Leno

America needs Obama-care like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.
--Jay Leno

Q: Have you heard about McDonald's' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it.
--Conan O'Brien

Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser.
--Jay Leno

Q: What's the difference between Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers, and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners.
--David Letterman

Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America !

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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The President's social agenda is pretty healthy, at least....


Friday night - catch a National's baseball game.



Hey, I was at that game too. So was George Will, a couple of rows away from Madame Geezer and me.

Kinda got the feeling that Pres. Obama considers his job a temp one, since he was reported to be wearing a Sox cap instead of a Nat's one.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



Shouldn't you be worried about the guy who DOESN'T think it's a "temp job"? I remember something about Karl Rove declaring a "permanent majority". Wasn't the first time he got things so disastrously wrong, of course, nor the last.


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:42 AM

WHOZIT


The Prez is lucky that his supporters and the MSM hold him to a "very low" standard. Speeches and partys are all he's good for.

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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:47 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
The Prez is lucky that his supporters and the MSM hold him to a "very low" standard. Speeches and partys are all he's good for.




Hey, when you've got the A list of entertainers and celebs that O's got showing up at Da House, you're damn skippy those in the lame stream media are going to do / say / print what ever they can to get into those functions.

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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
The Prez is lucky that his supporters and the MSM hold him to a "very low" standard. Speeches and partys are all he's good for.




That gives him eternal scoreboard over Bush, since he can at least make a speech. He liked his partying up too, and was even known to get a li'l jiggy widdit, too.



This was Bush during the economic collapse of 2008:



Never met a disaster he couldn't dance through or eat cake at!


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 12:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Wow.... a single photo and a brief clip.

Only in your very small mind does that come anywhere close to the concerts, parties, lavish state dinners, bbqs, 37 rounds of golf, baseball games, date nights on Broadway, shopping sprees in Paris, pick up basketball games, trips to Hawaii.....


Yep. The more Obama relaxes, the better it is for everyone, huh?

Hell, we should be in the midst of the biggest boom economy since the roaring 20's, at the rate this ass clown is getting his leisure on.


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Monday, June 21, 2010 1:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wow.... a single photo and a brief clip.

Only in your very small mind does that come anywhere close to the concerts, parties, lavish state dinners, bbqs, 37 rounds of golf, baseball games, date nights on Broadway, shopping sprees in Paris, pick up basketball games, trips to Hawaii.....


Yep. The more Obama relaxes, the better it is for everyone, huh?

Hell, we should be in the midst of the biggest boom economy since the roaring 20's, at the rate this ass clown is getting his leisure on.





So you're saying the REAL reason for that "on fire" economy of the Bush years (you know the one, where the rich kept getting richer, and the middle class got left behind!) was the fact that he spent a good quarter of his time in office on vacation? Shit, if we'd have just shit-canned him, we'd be in GREAT shape now! I agree with you - if we'd sent Bush on a permanent vacation, the country would be much better off for it.

And what have you provided, other than a single photo? Oh, wait - a photoshopped photo at that! Not even a REAL photo!


Do you really want me to put up more images of Dubya golfing, dancing, and generally acting like a complete fucking asshole? There are so, SO many of them it might break Haken's server!


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 1:18 PM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Wow.... a single photo and a brief clip.

Only in your very small mind does that come anywhere close to the concerts, parties, lavish state dinners, bbqs, 37 rounds of golf, baseball games, date nights on Broadway, shopping sprees in Paris, pick up basketball games, trips to Hawaii.....


Yep. The more Obama relaxes, the better it is for everyone, huh?

Hell, we should be in the midst of the biggest boom economy since the roaring 20's, at the rate this ass clown is getting his leisure on.





So you're saying the REAL reason for that "on fire" economy of the Bush years (you know the one, where the rich kept getting richer, and the middle class got left behind!) was the fact that he spent a good quarter of his time in office on vacation? Shit, if we'd have just shit-canned him, we'd be in GREAT shape now! I agree with you - if we'd sent Bush on a permanent vacation, the country would be much better off for it.

And what have you provided, other than a single photo? Oh, wait - a photoshopped photo at that! Not even a REAL photo!


Do you really want me to put up more images of Dubya golfing, dancing, and generally acting like a complete fucking asshole? There are so, SO many of them it might break Haken's server!


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

It's all about the "Hope & Change" babe, Barry was going to be hands on and reach across the isle. Instead I've seen many pics of him at partys and playing golf but none of him WORKING! I bet that speech he gave from the "Oval Office" was the 1st time he's been in there in weeks. Bush is gone, Clinton is gone, Bush 41 is gone, Reagan is dead. It's all about Barry now, how much goofing off is HE doing?

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Monday, June 21, 2010 1:31 PM

BYTEMITE


Obama is doing a godawful job. And he has been since six days into his presidency, when he set off a remote bomb in a tribal village in Pakistan and killed 17 civilians. I was willing to give him a chance before that, but that set the tone for his whole Presidency, and I haven't liked him since then. He's a pushover, a lame duck being controlled by his administration. Make appropriate comparisons here, or don't. He is what he is: a disappointment.

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Monday, June 21, 2010 4:18 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Gotta love the D.C. two step the Lefties are dancing now.

Obama is utterly indifferent and non responsive to pretty much any actual crisis that's facing this country.

He's too "busy" being The One. The Oil crisis is a bother to him. It cuts into his "ME" time.

So, when the White House has the audacity to claim that we should be THANKFUL that O's taking so much time off , what do his lint lickers offer up as a defense ?

" But Bush....!!! "

If Bush playing a round or two of golf after he said he'd stop, what the fuck does 7 rounds of golf in 7 weeks, in the midst of a true catastrophe, say about Obama?

If it's no big deal, then shut the fuck up.

If it's bad for both Bush and Barry to do it, suck it up and say so. Can't have it both ways.


Hillary was right, after all.

At 3 A.M., who do you want answering that call in the White House?

Chances are, Barry and Michelle are still out on the town, too busy dancing the night away, to even be bothered.

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Monday, June 21, 2010 4:52 PM

DREAMTROVE


I'm impressed, you actually followed Hillarys primary run.

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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Gotta love the D.C. two step the Lefties are dancing now.

Obama is utterly indifferent and non responsive to pretty much any actual crisis that's facing this country.

He's too "busy" being The One. The Oil crisis is a bother to him. It cuts into his "ME" time.

So, when the White House has the audacity to claim that we should be THANKFUL that O's taking so much time off , what do his lent lickers offer up as a defense ?



What the hell is a "lent licker"? Does that have something to do with Catholicism?


Quote:


" But Bush....!!! "

If Bush playing a round or two of golf after he said he'd stop, what the fuck does 7 rounds of golf in 7 weeks, in the midst of a true catastrophe, say about Obama?



That he never said he'd stopped?

You have NO PROBLEM with Bush playing golf during a war, playing golf during an economic meltdown, eating cake during a catastrophic natural disaster that killed thousands. You had NO PROBLEM with any of that, else you'd have "manned up" and said so, which you clearly never did.

Quote:


If it's no big deal, then shut the fuck up.



So if it was no big deal to you then, then shut the fuck up about it now. Can't have it both ways, after all. That's YOUR words, not mine.

Quote:


If it's bad for both Bush and Barry to do it, suck it up and say so. Can't have it both ways.



You're obviously not paying attention. I, Dream, and Frem have ALL said that it's not right. Unlike you, who when Bush did it, said that it was not only all right, but that "people need to go on living, even during wartime", claiming that Bush's downtime was just fine with you.



"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:33 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


The problem you Leftists have is that you lack all sense of proportion.

If Bush spends too much money, it's bad. But if Obama spends 2 - 3 times that much money, it's good!

If Bush plays a round or two of golf when the troops are in harm's way, that's bad

But if Obama plays more rounds of golf in 1 1/2 years than Bush played in 8 years, it's good!


blah blah blah....


There's really nothing left to say. It is what it is. You on the Left are simply too petty to admit the double standard.



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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The problem you Leftists have is a sense of proportion.

If Bush spends too much money, it's bad. But if Obama spends 2 - 3 times that much money, it's good!




Care to show me where Obama spent "2 - 3 times that much money"?

Quote:


If Bush plays a round or two of golf when the troops are in harm's way, that's bad

But if Obama plays more rounds of golf in 1 1/2 years than Bush played in 8 years, it's good!



That's the part where you just make up stuff that you want to be true. See above. What did I *JUST* say about Obama's downtime? Compare that to what YOU said about Bush's downtime two years ago. Who has the double standard again?

Why, that'd be you, Einstein!

Quote:


There's really nothing left to say. It is what it is. You on the Left are simply too petty to admit the double standard.



No, that would be YOU not admitting your double standard. But no worries - only little people sweat the details, right? The details of your deluded beliefs don't really concern you, do they?


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


By the way, Einstein, I'm still waiting for you to tell us all what a "lent licker" is.

Surely your giant brain couldn't have made a mistake, right? I mean, you're Einstein - you said so yourself!


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:47 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


You really do like repeating what I say, and switching things around, like a 5 yr old does, don't you ?


I'd say you've gotten pretty good at it too, for all the times you've resorted to such childish antics.

But then, they are such childish antics, there isn't really getting good at them in the first place.

They're just....childish. Like you.


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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:50 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The problem you Leftists have is a sense of proportion.


As opposed to NO sense of proportion?

I get you now.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:51 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
You really do like repeating what I say, and switching things around, like a 5 yr old does, don't you ?


I'd say you've gotten pretty good at it too, for all the times you've resorted to such childish antics.

But then, they are such childish antics, there isn't really getting good at them in the first place.

They're just....childish. Like you.




Oh, now you're just being a "lent licker".

I do it just to wind you up, remember? I know you don't remember equations, but do remember conversations?


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Monday, June 21, 2010 5:54 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Not yours. No.

You're truly forgettable.


( With apologies to Nat )



Obama 'leisure' time.
It's good for the whole country!

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Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
I'm impressed, you actually followed Hillarys primary run.



May not happen often, but when the gal's right, she's right. Even I have to give Hillary that one.




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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:58 AM

KANEMAN


This thread can not even be classified as a debate. There is nothing to debate. Aurapt pointed out the double standard and not one leftist can counter. The whole blame Bush thing is hilarious...Psst, Obama is president now. If you didn't like Bush doing certain things as Prez. and NOW obama does the same thing(to a higher degree), and you give him a pass or defend him...you have zero credibility and no moral fiber....You are, as Aurapt pointed out, a lint licker....

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:43 AM

REENACT12321


As I don't believe President Obama is a marine engineer, I don't really see him reading over the shoulders of the guys who are working on solutions to the gulf. Long as he's certain they're working I really could care less if he goes golfing. What else is he going to do? stand in BP's lobby yelling:



And on some level, same goes for the economy. Economies shift like tides, not waves. Looking too close at the rolling wave here or there, you'll go mad, the larger trend is important part. And that changes across years. not months. So is Bush's vacationing or even his entire second term directly responsible for 2008's recession, probably not. Did it help, probably not. Will we see the effects of Obama's efforts within a year of them being applied, probably not. Will it be difficult to discern them from the overall stabilization of several institutions and industries in the wake of years of problematic realty practices. Probably.



"...we need a hood ornament..."

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:59 AM

JONGSSTRAW


The once-omnipotent Obama is very un-popular and fading fast even with Liberals. And to see his staunch defenders having nothing to say in his defense other than making desperate comparisons to George Bush, their most despised and hated enemy, is something quite hysterical.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jonggstraw, Obama's biggest issue isn't that he plays golf or takes time off from his job. And let's be real: That wasn't Bush's biggest fault either, was it??? (And you didn't hear progressives complaining much about that. did you?)

BUSH'S biggest faults are manifold:

1) He inherited a surplus and turned it into a deficit.
2) He engineered the greatest concentration of capital into the hands of the super-wealthy since the Great Depression. And the reason why that is so important is bc that division of money caused the last depression, and cause this one too.
3) He (along with Bill Clinton) took apart the regulation (Glass Steagall) which kept the financial markets from running amok.
4) He gutted the EPA, the FCC, and any other agency which protected people from unmitigated corporate greed.
5) He started a totally unnecessary and costly war, which he never funded.
6) He ignored the health-insurance crisis.
7) He ordered tortures and secret renditions, wiretapped millions without a court order, threw people into indefinite detention, and in general trampled on that "goddamn piece of paper" which is the Constitution.
8) He shoveled BILLIONS at the financial sector when it finally imploded under the weight of all of its greed, thanks to Hank Paulson's generous, secret, string-free deals with Goldman and AIG.

Whether or not he ate McCain's b'day cake or got stinkin' drunk during Katrina (which he did) is moot.


OBAMA'S biggest problems? He has not FIXED the problems that Bush created. He lacks clarity of purpose, trying to walk that line between ameliorating the problems without pissing off TPTB... health insurances, the financial sector, the military-industrial complex etc. His responses to crises of historic proportions (and there have been several) is to temporize and compromise, trying to keep everyone sort of happy whether or not the fundamental underlying problems have been fixed. He has allowed himself to be triangulated into agreeing that 2+2=5, so even as he closes Guantanamo he keeps Bagram open. Even as he orders civilian trial for terror suspects he issues "shoot to kill" orders on American citizens, and even as he winds down Iraq (we hope) he re-opens the scab that is Afghanistan and PLANS for an America which can and will intervene in every insurgency in the world.

His re-regulation of the financial sector falls far short of what it will take to keep it from imploding again. His health insurance "reform" is a complex piece of trash which NOBODY wanted. (And BTW, people wanted and STILL want the public option! You keep misreading public opinion on that, substituting your own desires for the general tenor.) And even as he appointed three VERY good overseers to the financials (Bair, Schapiro, Warren) the REAL power went to yet another Goldman alumnus (Geithner). But that's that 2+2=5 again. And people sense that. I think Americans would rather see direct and purposeful action of ANY sort than the kind of waffling and side-stepping which is Obama.

Whether or not he plays golf or takes in a baseball game is moot.

Or it should be.

The reason WHY people are upset with Obama is because they sense he really is NOT in the game with his sleeves rolled up. They feel... quite rightly... that he is temporizing on many issues and feel... quite rightly... that the Dems are STILL playing "politics as usual".

Only little people like Rappy focus on little things. You and I... we know better.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:54 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:


Moot...
Moot...

You and I... we know better.


After over 18 months in office, the name George Bush should never, or only rarely, enter into a serious political discussion concerning Obama's presidency. He must stand on his own, his actions, his goals, and results. I'm not, or was I ever ready to just blame Bush for everything wrong in America, and I certainly had no naive expectations that Obama would be the "savior" that most thought he'd be. To keep bringing up Bush at this point is only self-destructive to Obama and his Administration.

Your second point is more accurate; that Obama needed to "fix" Bush-created problems. The jury is still out on the economy, but I will give him kudos for halting the Wall Street meltdown. But beyond that, the Stimulus, the Omnibus, etc. seemed to have failed at least in the short term. Obama is very un-focused. He darts around from issue to issue, and he seems to have little desire to govern from the Center, for all Americans. Instead he chooses a very Liberal and some might say radical approach to many issues that average Americans take repulsive exception to. He doesn't care though, and instead he and his arrogant Reid-Pelosi-Gibbs-Axelrod-Emmanuel team seek to ridicule and demonize legitimate critics of their failed policies.

With Obama it seems that :

a) If you don't like his policies you must be a racist......or...

b) If you don't like his policies you must not fully understand them......or...

c) If you don't like his policies then you are just a political hack.

That may be how the political game in DC is played, but it doesn't resonate with average Americans like me. We just want a strong leader, regardless of skin color or religious affiliation. We want a President who values American tradition, not someone seemingly hell bent on apologizing for it, and trying to fundamentally change it to something resembling European socialism. We are all seeing the beginning of the end for those mis-guided policies, with economic failures popping up in many European countries. They have societies that are dependent on their Governments for their needs. I don't want that for America. A social safety net for the most impoversihed in America...sure, fine...but our country should not ever create a strong centalized financial and social system. That leads to serfdom for all.



ps. I dont' care of Obama plays golf, or has fancy dinner parties with Paul McCartney. He is the President, and regardless of my opinion of his policies, it's not up to me or anyone else to impose a set of biased restraints on what is appropriate for a President to do.


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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:52 AM

NIKI2

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II agree; this isn’t a debate, it’s the usual slinging of personal vendettas and partisan generalities. Nothing changes; the left supposedly “adores” Obama, “excuses” Obama, “worships” Obama, sees Obama as the “savior”, and on and on and on. No quarter is given that many on the left DISAGREE with Obama or don’t like what he’s done. It’s stupid, means nothing and will never change.

Sig elucidated wonderfully clearly the facts in the matter and the reason many on the left are disapproving of Obama and why almost all on the left see Dumbya and his administration clearly for WHAT THEY DID. What they did is indisputable, but trying to counter the ridiculous rationalizations and defenses of Dumby will NEVER GET THROUGH...remember RWAs cannot hear the truth, have no trouble holding conflicting beliefs, and will be aggressive in defending the indefensible. It WILL get personal and it WON’T ever change.

What’s interesting is that the “lefties” here and even the moderates who hated Dumbya ARE able to see the problems, ARE able to change their view of Obama, ARE able to disagree with him or his policies. I wasn’t here to read what the “righties” had to say about Dumbya, but I’d bet dollars to donuts you didn’t see the same when he was in office.

As to:
Quote:

a) If you don't like his policies you must be a racist......or...
b) If you don't like his policies you must not fully understand them......or...
c) If you don't like his policies then you are just a political hack.

I disagree. If you don't like his policies, you have every right not to. And as usual, the generalities are spewing in their usual form. You forgot what many people feel: “If you don’t like his policies, you disagree with his policies” or “If you don’t like his policies, it’s because they go against what you believe”. THOSE are more prevalent among the “lefties” who dislike him...among the ‘righties”, it's not his POLICIES most people are so vociferously enraged at, it's the man himself. If you look at footage of protests, it is almost invariably Obama himself they hate so loudly and view as the “other”—Muslim, Marxist, Hitler, the devil. That speaks to more than just his policies. YOU represent those last two, which is thoughtful. Unfortunately, an awfully large part of America don’t use their brains, they parrot those who are, to them, authority figures say, and they speak from their gut. In many people’s “guts”, there IS subconscious racism, or if you want to phrase it more accurately, “fear of the ‘other’”.

If it were possible not to judge the left as a lump sum, you’d find more of those attitudes than the ones you described; if you talked to a lot of people on the right, you’d generally get

a) I don’t like him because he’s a Socialist/Marxist/Communist/whatever
b) I don’t like him because he’s destroying America
c) I don’t like him because he’s un-American
d) I don’t like him because he’s ruining the values this country is built on

Are those more valid than the ones you presented?

Dumbya wasn't responsible for the mess "he" got us into either...he was the puppet, Cheney, Rove and the neocons were the puppet masters. Much the same is true for Obama--he's looking like the same figurehead Dumbya did, only instead of being focused on enriching the rich and going to war, he seems focused on compromise, compromise, compromise.


This isn’t a debate, it’s back-and-forth ideology of the worst kind. And you can’t judge a President on the state of the country the day he arrived. Everything is carried forward from the previous administration; some things have to be fixed, some have to be improved, some have to be begun. Viewing Dumbya in a vacuum is no more realistic than viewing Obama in a vacuum. Well, it IS easier with Dumbya, since he came in to a surplus left by his predecessor and left in huge deficit, since the standard of living Dumbya inherited was far better than what he left, since the disparity between rich and poor was better when he came in and worse when he left. But judging someone less than two years into his Presidency, and recognizing nothing from the previous Presidency, is illogical. What he leaves—and we can’t know what that will be at this point—is what he should be judged on. We can only make assumptions at present, despite what his detractors like to say.

I don’t approve of Obama, but when I consider how it would have been under McCain and Palin, I’m grateful. That’s about the only positive thing I feel at present Nonetheless, I’m sick to death of the “lesser of two evils”.


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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


By the way, one doesn’t even have to look to a late-night comedian to find Bush jokes. He was a joke, and he provided us with myriad “one-liners”:
Quote:

"One of the very difficult parts of the decision I made on the financial crisis was to use hardworking people's money to help prevent there to be a crisis." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

"In terms of the economy, look, I inherited a recession, I am ending on a recession." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

"I've abandoned free market principles to save the free market system." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 16, 2008

"I've been in the Bible every day since I've been the president." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 12, 2008

"I want to share with you an interesting program -- for two reasons, one, it's interesting, and two, my wife thought of it -- or has actually been involved with it; she didn't think of it. But she thought of it for this speech." --George W. Bush, discussing a company that improves access to clean water in Africa, Washington D.C., Oct. 21, 2008

"This thaw -- took a while to thaw, it's going to take a while to unthaw." --George W. Bush, on liquidity in the markets, Alexandria, La., Oct. 20, 2008

"First of all, I don't see America having problems." --George W. Bush, interview with Bob Costas at the 2008 Olympics, Beijing, China, Aug. 10, 2008

"Let's make sure that there is certainty during uncertain times in our economy." -- George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 2, 2008

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

"A lot of times in politics you have people look you in the eye and tell you what's not on their mind." --George W. Bush, Sochi, Russia, April 6, 2008

"Let me start off by saying that in 2000 I said, 'Vote for me. I'm an agent of change.' In 2004, I said, 'I'm not interested in change --I want to continue as president.' Every candidate has got to say 'change.' That's what the American people expect." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 5, 2008

"And so, General, I want to thank you for your service. And I appreciate the fact that you really snatched defeat out of the jaws of those who are trying to defeat us in Iraq." --George W. Bush, to Army Gen. Ray Odierno, Washington, D.C., March 3, 2008

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008

"I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be -- hold hands." --George W. Bush, on how he can contribute to the Middle East peace process, Washington, D.C., Jan. 4, 2008

"I don't particularly like it when people put words in my mouth, either, by the way, unless I say it." --George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Nov. 10, 2007

"I heard somebody say, 'Where's (Nelson) Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead. Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." --George W. Bush, on the former South African president, who is still very much alive, Washington, D.C., Sept. 20, 2007

"I'm honored to be here with the eternal general of the United States, mi amigo Alberto Gonzales." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2007

These aren’t just gaffes, they paint a picture of the man and how he thinks.


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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Of course, if you WANT some, there were too many to choose from:
Quote:

"Things not looking good for President Bush. His approval rating has dropped so low the only thing he's above now is the law." --Jay Leno

"A report card on Iraq shows progress on only eight of 18 areas. Eight out of 18. And, of course, President Bush is thrilled. That's the best report card he's ever got in his life." --Jay Leno

"This week, President Bush announced he's launching a new campaign to solve the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians. When asked why, Bush said, 'It's fun to finally be working on a problem that I didn't cause.'" --Conan O'Brien

"During a concert of the Virginia symphony at the 400th anniversary celebration of Jamestown, President Bush briefly took over conducting the orchestra. Which explains why the orchestra is now four trillion dollars in debt." --Seth Meyers

"President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair held their last joint press conference. President Bush says he's gonna miss listening to Tony Blair, because when he closes his eyes, Blair sounds just like C3PO." --Conan O'Brien

"This week, a group of Republican congressmen asked President Bush what his 'Plan B' is if the current Iraq plan doesn't work. The 'Plan B' discussion was difficult for Bush, because it involves two areas where he's extremely vulnerable -- Iraq and the alphabet." --Conan O'Brien

"Prime Minister Tony Blair of England just announced that he will step down next month, which means that President Bush is going to lose his closest foreign ally. Bush was sad, and said, 'Now, the only foreign leader I can trust is Arnold Schwarzenegger.'" --Conan O'Brien

"Last night in this state of California, the first Republican debate was held at the Reagan Presidential Library. The candidates tried to distance themselves from President Bush. Apparently, the first step in distancing yourself from President Bush is appearing at a library"--Conan O'Brien

"This is the week that Congress sent the president a bill to bring the troops home, which, of course, as he promised he would do, vetoed it. The president said setting a deadline for withdrawal was setting a date for failure. And we all know, this is a president who likes his failures unplanned and spur-of-the-moment." --Bill Maher

"Congress has finally passed a bill that requires troops to start leaving Iraq. ... Bush has not had a challenge like this since Laura poured his Wild Turkey down the toilet." --Bill Maher

"President Bush has big April Fools' Day plans. He's going to call Alberto Gonzales and tell him he's doing a heckuva a job." --David Letterman

"Finally, someone from the Bush family has enlisted. George Prescott Bush, the president's nephew, has enlisted in the Navy. The Navy is a tradition in the Bush family. The first president Bush was a Navy pilot. The current President Bush spends money like a drunken sailor." --Bill Maher

"The president is ... on a five-nation tour of Latin America. A lot of people are saying while he's below the border, what a great time to build that wall." --Bill Maher

"To give you an idea of how popular he is not ... in South America, he's going to visit on Monday the sacred Mayan ruins, and after he leaves the Mayan priests are going to perform a purification ceremony to get rid of the bad spirits. And if it works there, they're going to try it in Iraq, New Orleans, Guantanamo Bay, Ground Zero and the atmosphere of the planet Earth." --Bill Maher




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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:12 AM

CUDA77

Like woman, I am a mystery.


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
"First of all, I don't see America having problems." --George W. Bush, interview with Bob Costas at the 2008 Olympics, Beijing, China, Aug. 10, 2008



Any chance we can get context with this quote? I mean due to where the interview was taking place, it is possible he was talking about the American Olympic athletes.


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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
The once-omnipotent Obama is very un-popular and fading fast even with Liberals. And to see his staunch defenders having nothing to say in his defense other than making desperate comparisons to George Bush, their most despised and hated enemy, is something quite hysterical.



So you're saying y'all on the right looked pretty pathetic and hysterical when comparing Obama to Hitler, right?

I agree; you are pathetic and hysterical, Kaney.


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:40 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Kwick...

Obama has sent MORE troops to the area...

Not to mention he has (as of yet) not stopped "Stop Loss"

You know... where the government makes you a promise "You will not need to serve more than 2 years... but oops... we lied, you are stuck there for as long as we want you."

In my simple opinion, the so-called "Stop Loss" has been the greatest tragedy of this war.

You make a promise to the men and women serving, then break it because you can't get anyone else?

Fuck You. To whatever government, Bush or Obama.

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:


After over 18 months in office, the name George Bush should never, or only rarely, enter into a serious political discussion concerning Obama's presidency. He must stand on his own, his actions, his goals, and results. I'm not, or was I ever ready to just blame Bush for everything wrong in America, and I certainly had no naive expectations that Obama would be the "savior" that most thought he'd be. To keep bringing up Bush at this point is only self-destructive to Obama and his Administration.



So you promise the right will never again blame things on Clinton or Carter?

By the way, the ONLY people who seem to ever have been convinced that Obama was any kind of "savior" or "messiah" around here are you, and Rappy. You both prattle on and on about that, when you're the only ones who ever believed it.


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Kwick...

Obama has sent MORE troops to the area...



And...?

So you're saying that the President SHOULD NOT listen to his generals, the Joint Chiefs, and his advisors. Right? Hell, they called for more troops, he gave 'em what they wanted.

You're still arguing about what we're doing there NOW, when the time for arguing whether or not we should even have ever been there in the first place is long, long passed. And I seem to remember you being all for it then.

Are you now saying we should cut and run? Is that what you want? Are you a "surrender monkey"?



Quote:


Not to mention he has (as of yet) not stopped "Stop Loss"

You know... where the government makes you a promise "You will not need to serve more than 2 years... but oops... we lied, you are stuck there for as long as we want you."

In my simple opinion, the so-called "Stop Loss" has been the greatest tragedy of this war.

You make a promise to the men and women serving, then break it because you can't get anyone else?

Fuck You. To whatever government, Bush or Obama.



Yeah, I really wish that shit would end, too.

Maybe we could end that at the same time we end "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". After all, we'd have some extra troops to rotate through the area at that point...





"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:55 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Niki:

Thanks for those; they're great!


"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."


On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. --Auraptor

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:00 AM

NIKI2

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Quote:

The once-omnipotent Obama is very un-popular
Afraid not, in point of fact: As of TODAY, Approve: 46%, Disapprove: 52% (Rassmussen)I’m not going to spend the time to look up more; polls differ as always. Generally they’ve been near the 50/50 mark. But “very unpopular” is just plain wrong.
Quote:

President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history with his final approval rating at 22 percent.
Given the hugely high approval ratings he started with, which went up after 9/11, THAT’s an unpopular President. Let’s see what Obama’s are the END of his term, if you want to talk about popularity!

I don't recall anyone saying he was "omnipotent", by the way...where did you come by that, please?

You're welcome, Mike; it gave me a giggle to look back, and to wonder at how the RWAs can keep defending him...weird.

That was a good one about DADT, by the way, it's a valid point. If we stopped tossing people out because of their private sexual preferences, gee, just think how many we'd have to replace those people "trapped" by stop-loss! Especially interpreters, from what I hear...


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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Siggy, your post wasn't missed in the shuffle, and for DAMN sure that's a lotta why I am pissed at the guy, thanks for the summary.

-F

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jongss... as usual, thank you for your thoughtful answer.

The problem IMHO is that he fixes to the Bush-created problems aren't IN the center. The center is just the average of current political opinion, which could be really off the mark. Indeed, it's remarkable easy for an entire nation to go off-base. Hell, just look at N Korea!

Counting on public opinion to tell you what to do next is... in a word.. stupid. In fact, my personal opinion is that Obama's insistence on taking the right wing into account not only makes his policies weak, it make him look PERSONALLY weak.

So I have a question for you: How do you think conservatives would respond if Obama would just say "Damn the conservative/ big business torpedoes... full speed ahead". Positive? Negative? Both?

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Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:05 PM

ANTIMASON


economics is not a zero sum game. a tax cut on anyone, is a releif of burden on everyone.. it really is true that 'a rising tide lifts all boats'. just look at the tax cuts of the 20s, 60s, 80s, and Bushs. you liberals out there are going to learn the heard way, when you watch what happens to government revenue when the Bush tax cuts expire. this so called 'recovery' will be seen for what it truly is

Milton Friedman said it best, and im paraphrasing, but in essence the principles of taxes, and wellfare redistribution come down to 2 points:

1) government cannot creat wealth. it can print money, but it cant create true wealth. so it must begin, by using coercion, or force, to take the earned property of one, a producer, to give to whatever recipient. you can call them the "haves and have nots", it does not change the fact that this process is called 'left', or 'stealing', under any other circumstance.
so the first principle is theft and force

and the 2) the concept that someone else can spend YOUR money better, more wisely, and more effeciently, then you can. common sense tells all of us that only you and your mind know what you truly want. this concept has been expanded to mean that 'society' has a greater claim, and more authority, over your body, then you do! just take a look around

so my question to some of you out there is.. if Bush was bad at spending our money, how many more times is Obama?! and yet.. partisanship rears its ugly head, and we get democrat cheerleaders defending this spending, as if its somehow more noble or something. its actually become quite rediculous

all im asking for is some consistency here! Jebus

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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:11 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Jongss... as usual, thank you for your thoughtful answer.

The problem IMHO is that he fixes to the Bush-created problems aren't IN the center. The center is just the average of current political opinion, which could be really off the mark. Indeed, it's remarkable easy for an entire nation to go off-base. Hell, just look at N Korea!

Counting on public opinion to tell you what to do next is... in a word.. stupid. In fact, my personal opinion is that Obama's insistence on taking the right wing into account not only makes his policies weak, it make him look PERSONALLY weak.

So I have a question for you: How do you think conservatives would respond if Obama would just say "Damn the conservative/ big business torpedoes... full speed ahead". Positive? Negative? Both?


Signy, thanks. In answer to your question, Conservatives already believe he's been doing just that. He's forged ahead without really looking back into areas typically not affected by direct Presidential involvement. Examples are auto industry, banking industry, insurance industry, national healthcare, oil industry, and even college loans. Cash for clunkers, mortgage relief programs, etc. are all Obama creations. One would think that with so much effort and money being poured into the economy we'd see some good results. Unfortunately un-employment still is around 10%, higher in many areas, and economic growth is still sluggish. He's done most of that without any Conservative support. I do give him credit for stabilizing the economy; I just think his actions are too large in scope for the Fed. Govt.to handle properly. I have little or no confidence in Govt. Agencies these days.( ie. Interior Dept., MMS, Justice Dept.,etc.) It seems to me that Obama is facing unprecedented challenges and problems, and I do not believe he has the leadership and managerial skills to solve any of these issues which seem to all be completely chaotic now :

1) Gulf oil gusher and environmental disaster
2) Border chaos and murder w/ drug cartels operating now inside US border
3) No. Korean agression - sinking So. Korean ship
4) Iran working non-stop on nukes
5) Afghanistan debacle
6) Civilian trials for terrorists

Obama seems to me to be more of an intellectual thinker and lecturer than a man of decisive action. He seems to deliberate agonizingly over every situation, and then his response is, at least imo, late, guarded, and usually unsound. That's at least what this Conservative believes.



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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, since I'm still working killer hours, let me toss the ball back into your court for the moment.

In addition to the above problems (which I think are smaller than our structural problems, but still significant) what do you think are our main problems? And more importantly, what do you think Obama should do about them, if anything?

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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Gawd, I am getting so sick to death of “you liberals” and that bullshit. “You RWAs” lump liberals with such ease, it shows you know nothing about individual people who may be of a liberal point of view—actually, it speaks to the fact that you CAN’T conceive of individuals with individual thoughts; you talk about de-humanizing?
Quote:

if Bush was bad at spending our money, how many more times is Obama?!
Given that wealth can’t be created, Bush TOOK money from the middle class and poor and GAVE it to the rich, Wall Street, the military-industrial complex and oil companies, in the form of war toys, tax cuts, deregulation, etc. He did NOT use it to rebuild infrastructure, increase the buying power of the vast majority of Americans, increase job growth or anything else constructive to the American people.

Bush designed his tax plan when the economy was booming. He made a campaign promise to the GOP faithful and its aim was to cut taxes for the wealthy, not spur the economy. As a result, the Bush Tax Plan widened the gap between the rich and poor, led to an economy where wages couldn’t keep pace with inflation, and grown our national poverty rate each of the eight years he was in office. ( http://www.house.gov/list/press/wm31_democrats/060106_bush_policies_wi
den_gap_between_rich_and_poor.html
)

Since the 1990s, 40 percent of the increased wealth went into the pockets of the rich minority, while only 1 percent went to the poor majority. The average income of the richest 5 percent of families in 1979 was 10 times of that of the poorest 20 percent of families. In 1999, the income gap had been enlarged to 19 times, ranking first among the developed countries, and setting a record since the Bureau of Census of the United States began studying the situation in 1947. ( http://academic.udayton.edu/race/06hrights/GeoRegions/NorthAmerica/chi
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Mr. Bush boasted about 52 consecutive months of job growth during his presidency. What matters is the magnitude of growth, not ticks on a calendar. The economic expansion under Mr. Bush produced job growth of 4.2 percent. That is the worst performance over a business cycle since the government started keeping track in 1945. ( http://usbudget.blogspot.com/2008/03/job-growth-under-bush-and-prior.h
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I’m definitely not saying he got there on his own, it’s been a steady trend. But all this grew phenomenally under Dumbya.

So Obama is stuck with huge debt, rotting infrastructure, Wall Street gone wild, two wars and the biggest gap between rich and poor we’ve ever seen.

Thus I ask you and JS: If not by methods he is trying to employ, and being REALISTIC, how exactly do YOU propose he fix those things? If you tell me by “cutting taxes”, the favorite cry from the right, because it didn’t work. I refer you to 1. Cutting the top tax rate does not lead to economic growth. which shows that Cutting the top tax rate does not lead to economic, income or wage growth, nor does it increase job creation. So propose something else that you believe is viable.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off


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To Anthony, unquestionably the most civil person on this forum: “Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. ...Raptor

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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Siggy, your post wasn't missed in the shuffle, and for DAMN sure that's a lotta why I am pissed at the guy, thanks for the summary.

-F



Seconded, and then some!

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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:15 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Signy,

It's always much easier to criticize and complain than to offer viable solutions to complex problems. Until one sits in the Oval Office you really cannot fully understand all the facts and multiple nuances of any situation, so it is quite difficult for me or anyone here to know exactly what they're talking about when it comes to offering solutions to problems.


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Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:23 AM

JONGSSTRAW


Niki,

You posted this : "Gawd, I am getting so sick to death of “you liberals” and that bullshit. “You RWAs” lump liberals with such ease, it shows you know nothing about individual people who may be of a liberal point of view—actually, it speaks to the fact that you CAN’T conceive of individuals with individual thoughts; you talk about de-humanizing?"

I do not believe I fall into that category, but if you feel I do then so be it. I do believe, however, that you frequently do exactly what you say you despise, only to Republicans and Conservatives. The sword cuts both ways, and it hurts me as much as you say it hurts you.
It's one of the reasons I do not post here nearly as much as I once did. You flood the RWED with all sorts of biased negativity towards Conservatives, and quite frankly I have neither the time or desire to counter them. Besides I would just be a target for those less courteous than you, and I don't need that either. If I'm wrong on this as well, then I'll just blame it on my knuckle-dragging neaderthalism.

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