BP evacuates personnel ahead of Tropical Storm Alex by Niki2

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BP evacuates personnel ahead of Tropical Storm Alex

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 08:53
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Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:17 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Not the Horizon yet, but it's coming:

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BP has begun evacuating non-essential personnel from three of their rigs in the far south of the Gulf of Mexico ahead of Tropical Storm Alex, a spokesman confirmed.

The evacuations did not apply to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill response, BP spokesman Neil Chapman said.

The company began evacuating today and will continue tomorrow as a precaution. Chapman did not have an immediate number on personnel being evacuated, but said the evacuation will not effect production on the rigs.

Jeeez, even CNN can't "speak English"--it's AFFECT, not EFFECT. "Affect" can be both a verb and a noun; "effect" is ONLY a noun. One can display an "affect"; one can "affect" something, but one can only HAVE an "effect". Bah.

We're going to hell in a handbasket...sigh...

I know, nitpicking, my eyes just narrowed when I read the word. More importantly, I pray Alex doesn't head for the Horizon, please, please, please...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
signing off

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:31 AM

BYTEMITE

Not necessarily! You'll notice by your definition I often "misuse" affect and effect, but actually I'm not, and I was hoping someone would call attention to this.

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Affect 1 and effect, each both noun and verb, share the sense of “influence,” and because of their similarity in pronunciation are sometimes confused in writing. As a verb affect 1 means “to act on” or “to move” ( His words affected the crowd so deeply that many wept ); affect 2 means “to pretend” or “to assume” ( new students affecting a nonchalance they didn't feel ). The verb effect means “to bring about, accomplish”: Her administration effected radical changes. The noun effect means “result, consequence”: the serious effects of the oil spill. The noun affect 1 pronounced with the stress on the first syllable, is a technical term in psychology and psychiatry. Affect 2 is not used as a noun.

I'm rarely using AH-ffect as a noun, but AFFECTS (as in personal affects) is a perfectly good noun I do use from time to time. Verb-wise I'll change between affect 1, affect 2, and effect as necessary to the context.

Oh god, in retrospect it's really pathetic I was waiting with this to spring on someone.

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:41 PM

DREAMTROVE

I think Nikita is correct: if it effects production on the rig then production on the rig is the result of the causative agent, in this case, the storm. It affects production on the rig here, which does not mean that it pretends to be production on the rig, but than it has an effect on production on the rig.

Niki's command of the language is pretty good. Probably means shes russian.

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Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:34 PM

BYTEMITE

Well, okay, true, her use of it is right here, but the "effects is not verb" thing always gets ME. :)

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Monday, June 28, 2010 8:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I missed "affects" as in personal affects;I was thinking more of "her affect was strange". But "effect" used as a verb, as in "her actions effected a change in the situation". Effect still IS a noun, as DT pointed out; the above actually says "the change of the situation IS AN EFFECT of her actions". Where can it be used as an actual verb? Seriously; I'd like to expand my knowledge.

DT is right in saying "if it effects production on the rig then production on the rig is the result of the causative agent" in the same way; the sentence structure is actually "the causative agent had an EFFECT on production--again, a noun.

And no. Ignoring the obvious snark, my mother was a French immigrant; she put a lot of weight on using proper English, she was proud of it. It rubbed off. I hate math, love language; lots of people are the opposite.

None of this has anything to do with the topic, it just irritated me. Alex now is turning West and North, so maybe it'll avoid the gusherfuck, but it's also forecast to become a hurricane, which will have the same effect when it comes to evacuation, won't it? Even far away, it will produce wind and swells, yes?

Just something to think about; if BP had any foresight, they'd have seen that, going into hurricane season, their cutting off of the top of the well would end up creating more gusher than their effort to "suck up" some of it in the short term, yes?

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Monday, June 28, 2010 8:43 AM

BYTEMITE

Wha? My brain just exploded.

I don't see how "effected" can be considered a noun when used that way in a sentence, even if you CAN rewrite the sentence to say actions had an effect. For the sentence where the actions effected something, effected is not a noun.

If you rewrite a sentence to change an adverb into an adjective, in the original sentence, the word remains an adverb.

Anyway, yeah, Alex is bad. Maybe it'll see the Gulf Oil Spill, go eek, and pull up its skirts and run off over the ocean. Ah, Looney Tunes, if only life was like you.

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Monday, June 28, 2010 9:24 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

“So most of the time affect with an a is a verb and effect with an e is a noun. There are rare instances where the roles are switched.” So I looked it up:

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Affect can be used as a noun when you're talking about psychology--it means the mood that someone appears to have. For example, "She displayed a happy affect." Psychologists find it useful because they know that you can never really understand what someone else is feeling. You can only know how they appear to be feeling.

And, effect can be used as a verb that essentially means "to bring about," or "to accomplish." For example, you could say, "Aardvark hoped to effect change within the burrow."

Okay, I yield. “Effect” can be used as a verb, albeit only rarely. You’re right.

Nonetheless, I’m still of the opinion that, even used as a verb, it’s still a noun. “Actions effected” means “actions had an effect on”, which still makes it an adjective; “actions” being a noun, “effected” used as a verb is really saying “had an effect on”. It probably started that way, but given language evolves, I concede your point; now, it's been shortened to be a verb.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Monday, June 28, 2010 4:01 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Meh... I still get flummoxed by Affect and Effect. Doubt I'll ever figure them out. Still, my use of English is better than some. I get by. ;)

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Monday, June 28, 2010 4:08 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meh... I still get flummoxed by Affect and Effect. Doubt I'll ever figure them out. Still, my use of English is better than some. I get by. ;)

You will be affected by the effect.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, June 28, 2010 4:24 PM

KWICKO

Or, I could just affect an air on nonchalance, and hope it has the desired effect.

"I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:06 AM

CHRISISALL

You clearly watch Word Girl.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:53 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
You clearly watch Word Girl.

The laughing Chrisisall

Nope. But I *DID* listen to Grammar Girl's podcast. :)

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