All I can say is, they'd bloody well GET those waivers and permits!!!![quote]The 'A Whale' is headed South after a stop in Hampton Roads. Her crew's miss..."/>
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The 'A Whale' to skim?
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:09 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The 'A Whale' is headed South after a stop in Hampton Roads. Her crew's mission is to remove some of the oil from the spill in the Gulf of Mexico before it reaches the shores. The 'A Whale', originally an ore and oil carrier, was converted into the world's largest oil skimming vessel just one week ago. Her size and capacity, which is more than 250 times that of modified fishing boats, makes her the largest oil skimming vessel. The ship — the length of 3 1/2 football fields and 10 stories high — is designed to work 40 to 50 miles offshore and collect oily water through 12 vents on either side of its bow. It docked in Norfolk en route to the Gulf from Portugal, where it was retrofitted to skim the seas. The theory is that in one or two days this vessel can skim as much oil as current resources have skimmed in two months. Oily water would go into tanks and gravity would separate them. The oil would then get siphoned to separate tanks and transferred to waiting oil tankers. The true test will come in the gulf. But there are hurdles for 'A Whale' to overcome. Crews would need to discharge untreated, but less oily water back into the ocean. That would violate EPA regulations. WAVY.com caught up with a man who traveled to Norfolk from Baton Rouge, La.. Edward Overton, a Louisiana State University professor, said his community is desperate for this ship to get a waiver. "We need this ship," he told TMT executives. "That oil is already contaminating our shoreline." A private maritime businessman, Chairman of Today Makes Tomorrow, decided he had to do something - now. "A large scale disaster needs a large scale solution," he told WAVY.com. The owners of the "A Whale" said the new skimming approach has never been attempted on this scale. "We really have to start showing people what we can do," said Bob Grantham, project coordinator for TMT Group, a Taiwan-based shipping company. "We're seriously looking at whether we can go on site and just try to do it ourselves. That's not a good solution. We need to work with everyone else." The company is still negotiating with the Coast Guard to join the cleanup and does not have a contract with BP to perform the work. The company also needs environmental approval and waiver of a nearly century-old law aimed at protecting U.S. shipping interests. Environmental Protection Agency approval is required because some of the seawater returned to the Gulf would have traces of oil. The company said it also needs a waiver of the 1920 Jones Act, which limits the activities of foreign-flagged ships in coastal U.S. waters. Grantham said TMT was hopeful it could secure the necessary approvals during the ship's three-day passage to the Gulf. The Liberian-flagged ship was to leave Norfolk later Friday. The converted oil tanker has the capacity of holding 2 million barrels, but would limit its holding tanks to 1 million barrels for environmental reasons. Oil skimmed up by the tanker would be separated from seawater, then transferred to another vessel.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:00 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:28 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:33 PM
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: 70+ days, and you're not in the least bit holding Obama to anything he's said, huh? Of course not. Why would you ? A real leader would do what ever it took to defend his country. Obama isn't. Not even close.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:30 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:40 PM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Well, Rappy has to be angry at somebody, and it would be way too intellectually dissonant to be mad at the NUMBER ONE CAUSE of all this mess: BP.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:25 AM
Quote: (Houston Chronicle) – Three days after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch government offered to help. It was willing to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms, and it proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. The response from the Obama administration and BP, which are coordinating the cleanup: “The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’” said Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:33 AM
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No skimming going on. That's 100% Obama's fault.
Quote: The local authorities are doing everything they can, but are being hampered by the CG and the Imperial Federal Gov't. This isn't even up for discussion.
Quote: I'm nothing but a mindless troll, taking the side against Obama, no matter what, for purely political reasons.
Quote: I've not backed off anything. Obama is either utterly incompetent, or he's doing this on purpose, to promote his agenda.
Quote: You never want to waste a good crisis, after all, to get what you otherwise could not get passed.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:48 AM
Quote: fix the well keep the oil from reaching shore minimize the damage. BP currently has its hands on the first part. It's up to us to figure out how to do steps 2 and 3. Obama has failed, MISERABLY, no matter what anyone says.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: fix the well keep the oil from reaching shore minimize the damage. BP currently has its hands on the first part. It's up to us to figure out how to do steps 2 and 3. Obama has failed, MISERABLY, no matter what anyone says. Again, you lay blame on Obama's doorstep that you would NEVER lay at the feet of your corporate masters at BP. Why are you saying that BP shares no part of keeping the oil from reaching shore? Why do you say that they bear no responsibility to minimize the damage? Hell, for that matter, since you claim that it's "up to US", why do you put 100% of the blame on the President, when you yourself haven't lifted a finger?
Quote: Clinton said the "most important thing is to fix the leak," followed by the need to keep the oil from reaching shore, minimize the damage.... and then "figure out what went wrong and hold them accountable, whether it was somebody in British Petroleum or someone in the US government."
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 AM
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:33 AM
Quote: I guess Obama means " we ", in the collective sense, and not so much him, personally. He's too busy partying it up.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: For the slow learners on the board..... Quote: Clinton said the "most important thing is to fix the leak," followed by the need to keep the oil from reaching shore, minimize the damage.... and then "figure out what went wrong and hold them accountable, whether it was somebody in British Petroleum or someone in the US government."
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:36 AM
Quote: Originally posted by Kwicko: ... because you've done nothing but complain, bitch, piss, and moan since day one.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:03 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:39 AM
DREAMTROVE
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:55 AM
Quote:$59.5 Billion PROFITS (not "revenue", not "gross", pure profit). $29 Million spent on safer drilling research. That's .05% of their profits. $0 (ZERO) on spill response technology. Zero, get that? Why zero? Because BP does not research oil spill cleanup technology research itself, a spokesman: "Instead, BP supports oil spill response organizations, such as the nonprofit Marine Spill Research Corp." Okay, so what's the budget at the Marine Spill Research Corp. for oil spill response research? ZERO! There IS no budget for that. Because, their spokesperson said, MSRC is an opertional company, not a research and development company.
Quote:Nearly two moths after (Jindal) requested and the government Department of Defense approved the use of 6,000 National Guard troops, only a fraction, (1,053) have actually been deployed by Jindal. ... As of today, the federal government has authorized a total of 17,500 National Guard troops across four Gulf states, all to be paid for by BP. ... In addition to Louisiana, Alabama has deployed 432 of the 3,000 troops, Florida 97 of 2,500, Mississippi 58 of 6,000, triggering this reaction from the President: ‘I urge the governors in the affected states to activate these troops as soon as possible’. It’s believed officials in Florida, Mississippi and Alabama are reluctant to use more troops because their presence could hurt tourism. ... The Coast Guard says every request to use the National Guard has been approved, usually within a day
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:12 AM
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:32 AM
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Why do cowards on the Left keep distorting and lying about the issues ? Obama WANTS this disaster to continue, because he hates America. Oh,and Barack Obama doesn't care about white people.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Why do cowards on the Left keep distorting and lying about the issues ? Obama WANTS this disaster to continue, because he hates America. Oh,and Barack Obama doesn't care about white people. I had no idea you were on the Left. I knew you were a coward, though; everybody knows that. I think maybe you'd better go back to sucking dick with WhoZit.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:15 PM
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:41 PM
Quote:This looks joke a dead end
Quote:Defense Secretary Robert Gates has authorized up to 17,500 National Guard troops to fight the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, but only a fraction of that number has been deployed so far -- raising questions about where the troops are and why they have such a small presence. A Defense official told Fox News that governors are afraid that activating more troops would be politically harmful, charging taxpayers a high cost for duties that won't keep troops busy. The skill sets these troops have don't match the needs, the official said, and the governors aren't about to pay soldiers to stand on the beaches waiting for oil to wash up. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has authorized up to 17,500 National Guard troops to fight the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, but only a fraction of that number has been deployed so far -- raising questions about where the troops are and why they have such a small presence. A Defense official told Fox News that governors are afraid that activating more troops would be politically harmful, charging taxpayers a high cost for duties that won't keep troops busy. The skill sets these troops have don't match the needs, the official said, and the governors aren't about to pay soldiers to stand on the beaches waiting for oil to wash up.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:16 PM
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:12 PM
Quote:the National Guard has been on-site, setting up shoreline protection systems, building sand barriers and dropping thousands of sandbags by helicopter to keep the oil out of fragile coastal wetlands and beaches. As the oldest military component in the United States, the National Guard is always ready and always there to handle any threat against its homeland and environment.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 3:28 PM
Quote:Wanna try again rapster?
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: A shortage of #'s of NG is the least of our worries. At best, they'd be standing around in some parking lot, miles from the beaches, waiting for instructions on where to go, what to do.
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:10 PM
Thursday, July 1, 2010 8:39 AM
Quote:A filing cabinet or a computer can store quite inconsistent notions and never lose a minute of sleep over their contradiction. Similarly a high RWA can have all sorts of illogical, self-contradictory, and widely refuted ideas rattling around in various boxes in his brain, and never notice it.
Thursday, July 1, 2010 1:51 PM
Thursday, July 1, 2010 3:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Your blind obedience to Obama is sadly and eerily similar to the German's zeal for all things Hitler.
Quote: Either that, or you're simply too much a coward to criticize a black man, for fear of being branded a racist.
Quote: You've bought into the phony PR slogans and the teleprompter so fully, that the devastation of the Gulf coast states, the incompetence ( or worse ) doesn't in the least big phase you.
Quote: The arrogance and indifference this administration is showing will be its undoing. One way, or another.
Thursday, July 1, 2010 5:19 PM
Quote:... you're implying those "Second Amendment remedies" that you say DON'T mean you want to shoot people?
Thursday, July 1, 2010 5:26 PM
Thursday, July 1, 2010 5:59 PM
Friday, July 2, 2010 1:13 AM
Friday, July 2, 2010 1:44 AM
Quote: I'm not blind loyalist to the White House. That doesn't disqualify me as being a patriot. In fact, it cements my position, all the more so.
Friday, July 2, 2010 1:48 AM
Friday, July 2, 2010 2:49 AM
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