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Monday, July 5, 2010 8:07 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Fucking Iran!
Quote:

An Iranian human rights activist warns Sakineh Mohammadie Ashtiani, a mother of two, could be stoned to death at any moment under the terms of a death sentence handed down by Iranian authorities.

Ashtiani, 42, will be buried up to her chest, according to an Amnesty International report citing the Iranian penal code. The stones that will be hurled at her will be large enough to cause pain but not so large as to kill her immediately.

Ashtiani, who is from the northern city of Tabriz, was convicted of adultery in 2006.

She was forced to confess after being subjected to 99 lashes, human rights lawyer Mohammad Mostafaei said Thursday in a telephone interview from Tehran.

She later retracted that confession and has denied wrongdoing. Her conviction was based not on evidence but on the determination of three out of five judges, Mostafaei said. She has asked forgiveness from the court but the judges refused to grant clemency.

The circumstances of Ashtiani's case make it not an exception but the rule in Iran, according to Amnesty International, which tracks death penalty cases around the world.

"The majority of those sentenced to death by stoning are women, who suffer disproportionately from such punishment," the human rights group said in a 2008 report.

Article 74 of the Iranian penal code requires at least four witnesses -- four men or three men and two women -- for an adulterer to receive a stoning sentence, said Ahadi, of the International Committee Against Stoning. But there were no witnesses in Ashtiani's case. Often, said Ahadi, husbands turn wives in to get out of a marriage.

The public won't be allowed to witness the stoning, for fear of condemnation of such a brutal method. He is hoping there won't be an execution.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/05/iran.stoning/index.html?vide
o=true&hpt=T2


Activist groups are trying to bring pressure to bear on the Iranian government to not only avoid stoning her, but to abolish stoning, arguing that women are not treated equally before the law in Iran and are especially vulnerable in the judicial system. A woman's testimony is worth half that of a man, they say.


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Monday, July 5, 2010 8:32 AM

SIGNYM

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Horrible. Just horrible.

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Monday, July 5, 2010 9:24 AM

PIRATENEWS

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In USA we just shoot wives for adultery. Or stab them. Or poison them. Or run them over with cars. Or kill all their coworkers and family.

That's progress!


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Monday, July 5, 2010 9:33 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


This, while Naomi Wolfe speaks of the FREEDOM women find in the hijab. ( http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articl
es/2008/08/29/1219516734637.html
)



Yeah, right. Free to leave this world by way of state sponsored stoning.


*edit* I was so hoping Chrisisall had posted that Jessica Alba pic.







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Monday, July 5, 2010 9:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The "difference", if I want to sound as silly as you do, PN, is that over HERE, women can do the same. Fair is fair, so to speak...


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Monday, July 5, 2010 12:02 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ever find yourself between a rock and a hard place ?
I support RAWA despite their lack of militancy, and you might have noted me mentioning the NFA (New Feyadeen Army) before as a non-affiliated group of female hardliners who basically wanna kill all the men, and seem to be doin a right dandy job of it by managing to do so without ever coming into contact or conflict with US forces...

And worse, *SOMEONE* is supporting them financially and materially, someone who can afford Hughes MD500 choppers configured for long range hit-n-run operations, cause that's a whole different scale than a box of AK47s.

Problem is, I don't think a radical matriarchy is all that good an answer, myself, but still it's hard *not* to have sympathy for em when I see shit like this.

Of course, if they wanted to "buy" some legitimacy cred, hitting stuff like this might do it, but given their preferred tactic seems to be the slaughter of every male over ten within sight, not sure how that would exactly help matters...

I'll stick with RAWA, thanks, but I cannot claim to not feel a grim, bitter pang of satisfaction when the NFA mows down a bunch of fundamentalist dickheads, no.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, July 5, 2010 12:22 PM

DREAMTROVE


Something is very wrong with this story.

Iranians are Shiia, and don't practice Sharia law, and also, Iran is a civilized country.

Okay, I did a little digging. This is in NW Iran, in former Azerbaizhan. There might be some Sunnis there. Its a local judge, and he avoided process of law to choose an archaic form of punishment. She is accused of killing her husband, not adultery, but in a court case this fucked up, nothing is really credible.

My first guess would be that there are probably people in that corner of the govt. who would love to see us invade, which is of course the point of the story.

It's worth noting that many such stories that we heard in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan turned out to be completely fabricated, which I'm not suggesting this is, but it does look like a set up.

Also, it's worthy of note that such stories were part of the rationale used to obtain support for what is now the current US policy towards those two nations, a policy, which as John rightly points out, has killed twice as many people as Auschwitz.

Jes Sayin', before we run off half cocked.

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Monday, July 5, 2010 1:43 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Here in the U.S., we would NEVER use state-sponsored torture do kill someone.



Oh. Never mind. We do that, too.

Congratulations - Iran's legal system is now as bad as America's!

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Monday, July 5, 2010 2:18 PM

MINCINGBEAST


You are all being ethnocentric, and totally disrespecting Iran's rich and beautiful culture.

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Monday, July 5, 2010 4:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Okay, I did a little digging. She is accused of killing her husband, not adultery...



So that's exactly like capitol punishment in USA. Except with less taxation.

I've got a great idea...let's nuke Iran kill millions of innocent people and start World War 3!

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:45 AM

AURAPTOR

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The good news out of all this?
As part of Obama's new NASA based out reach to Muslim nations, moon rocks will be used in this and selected future stonings.

Hopey / Changey, ya know...






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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 4:32 AM

KANEMAN


I'm not sure how I feel about this. For the sanctity of marriage maybe all adulterers should be stoned. Think about it if you knew you were going to get rocks for getting your rocks off. What would you do? It is all about keeping the family intact...It's all about the children.



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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 4:33 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Here in the U.S., we would NEVER use state-sponsored torture do kill someone.



Oh. Never mind. We do that, too.

Congratulations - Iran's legal system is now as bad as America's!

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

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Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.





Still typing with your ass I see.....

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 4:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, Kaney, you silly little boy - you're just jealous; you could never type with your ass while all those penises are lodged in it.

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 5:29 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Oh, Kaney, you silly little boy - you're just jealous; you could never type with your ass while all those penises are lodged in it.


Obviously, that's a talent you alone have perfected.






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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 6:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney.


'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day...


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Go fuck yourself.
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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:22 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney.


'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day...


AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.




It always comes back to dicks and asses with you. Telling you.. that you type with your ass...I mean you are a 'tard...Some how you miss that and take it to your gay extreme...Gay to me = foolish.. When you talk about child molestation that = weird

That is why I can't take you serious. You are a tabooed-out homosexual......"Butt", thanks for the laugh you fag...ROTL...douche-bag



”Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag....You are an asshole...one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off" ...sayeth Kane

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:25 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney.


'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day...


AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.




It always comes back to dicks and asses with you. Telling you.. that you type with your ass...I mean you are a 'tard...Some how you miss that and take it to your gay extreme...Gay to me = foolish.. When you talk about child molestation that = weird

That is why I can't take you serious. You are a tabooed-out homosexual......"Butt", thanks for the laugh you fag...ROTL...douche-bag



”Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag....You are an asshole...one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off" ...sayeth Kane




I dunno, Kaney - you seem obsessed with linking your every post to dicks and asses. It certainly seems to point to you as being a bit obsessed. As for the pedophilia, you yourself admitted to it and said you were proud of it; do you not remember that?

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:31 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
You seem to do okay at it, too. Spelling and grammar could use work, but you do a better job of it than Kaney.


'Course, you'd rather suck a little dick if you had your choice, as you told WhoZit the other day...


AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.




It always comes back to dicks and asses with you. Telling you.. that you type with your ass...I mean you are a 'tard...Some how you miss that and take it to your gay extreme...Gay to me = foolish.. When you talk about child molestation that = weird

That is why I can't take you serious. You are a tabooed-out homosexual......"Butt", thanks for the laugh you fag...ROTL...douche-bag



”Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag....You are an asshole...one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off" ...sayeth Kane




I dunno, Kaney - you seem obsessed with linking your every post to dicks and asses. It certainly seems to point to you as being a bit obsessed. As for the pedophilia, you yourself admitted to it and said you were proud of it; do you not remember that?

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.




I point out that you are gay. Your posts have to do with that...I laugh at you....

”Niki--condescending arrogant fat old bi-polar hag....You are an asshole...one does not need a sockpuppet to tell you to fuck off" ...sayeth Kane

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 7:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And I point out that you're a creepy pedophile, because you've said so, and your posts have to do with that. And yes, I laugh at you, too. ;)

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Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT:
Go fuck yourself.
On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you.

Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:20 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
I'm not sure how I feel about this. For the sanctity of marriage maybe all adulterers should be stoned. Think about it if you knew you were going to get rocks for getting your rocks off. What would you do? It is all about keeping the family intact...It's all about the children.






It's not a bad argument that I can see, but in the case of a divorce where there are children, would that also count as adultery? Or would divorce be also unacceptable, unless the divorce is for the safety of the children (like one of the parents is a child abuser or something)?

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, so it's degenerated into bullshit, but BEFORE that...some interesting comments. I don't know about the veracity of the story, but checking on line I found
Quote:

Louise Arbour, condemned the stoning last Thursday of Jafar Kiani in a village 130 miles north-west of Tehran.

The punishment was an apparent snub to judiciary chief, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi, who ordered the suspension of the stoning verdicts against Mr Kiani and his partner, Mokarameh Ebrahimi, last month following protests from Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch.

Stoning sentences - the standard punishment for adultery under Iran's Islamic law - have rarely been implemented since Mr Shahroudi ordered a moratorium in 2002. But Mr Jamshidi suggested Mr Kiani's sentence had been upheld on the order of higher authorities to send a signal to the west. "We are not obeying pressure from human rights groups. We are obeying religious regulations and our own laws," he said.

(UK Guardian)

There's a video of a stoning at http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm I didn't watch.
Quote:

Nine criminals will soon face execution by stoning. Eight of the nine people, age from 27 to 43, are women. They were convicted of adultery, prostitution and incest.

The only man, a 50-year-old music professor, was convicted for having sex with a student.

In accordance with the Iranian law, men who are convicted of adultery will be buried up to the waist, while women will be buried up to their chest for stoning.

Iranian judiciary chief Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi ordered a moratorium on stoning in 2002, since then, three persons have been executed.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7011676032#ixzz0svUhkTHo
Quote:

Iran has fiercely denied that it executes juvenile criminals or stones people to death.

"In the Islamic republic, we do not see such things being carried out," said judiciary spokesman Jamal Karimirad.

The UN General Assembly recently censured Iran for "continuing violations of human rights".

It condemned the country's record on torture, public executions, floggings and discrimination against women.

Iran said the sentence was deferred for consideration by the pardons commission.

But there have been recent executions of people under the age of 18. Iranian law specifies exactly how stoning should be carried out, saying stones must be small enough not to kill instantly.

But Mr Karimirad said that even if such sentences were passed by lower courts, they were overruled by higher courts and "no such verdicts have been carried out".

BBC
Quote:

Like many other Islamic countries, Iran enforces the religious sharia law, which allows for the execution of children, including girls aged nine or older and boys 15 and older.
Wikinews

I tried to avoid obvious sites which from human-rights organizations or which were obviously anti-Iran in particular, and there's tons pro and con, both explaining, denying and accusing, on the net.

I certainly don't think invasion of Iran “is of course the point of the story”, or that “such stories were part of the rationale used to obtain support for what is now the current US policy towards those two nations.” If that were true, there wouldn’t be, in my opinion, so many different reports of various human-rights violations from so many different parts of the world; plus I don’t see such things being covered by the MSM, which surely would be part of the “plan”.

I can tell you that when we were in Afghanistan, cutting off of hands and feet and stoning for adultery were common place and part of the law. Cultures differ, and what we consider impossible in a “civilized” nation might be considered differently in other places, many of which don’t consider US “civilized”.

It's possible the verdicts weren't carried out and the reports of the verdicts left that out--by the way, the woman in the initial report had her sentence lifted after she repented of her crime and begged for mercy. Certainly using the verdicts to indict Iran would be useful, without the follow-up, to human-rights' groups. But their purpose, I believe, is other than invasion; certainly they are prejudiced when it comes to human rights, but these WERE accepted practices in Muslim countries and sexual 'crimes' would naturally carry a heavy emotional quotient in Muslim countries.

Basically, we can't know, but I think it quite possible the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

As to Sharia law:
Quote:

Within Sharia law, there are a group of "Haram" offenses which carry severe punishments. These include pre-marital sexual intercourse, sex by divorced persons, post-marital sex, adultery, false accusation of unlawful intercourse, drinking alcohol, theft, and highway robbery. Haram sexual offenses can carry a sentence of stoning to death or severe flogging.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/islsharia.htm
Quote:

It is a significant contribution of Islam that these penalties are called hudud (boundaries) and not punishments: they are liabilities incurred as a result of crossing the boundaries set by God. An important consequence of these hudud having been laid down by God and not by man, is that it is beyond human authority to reduce or supersede them out of a sense of mercy greater than that of God; nor can a tyrant or autocrat add to them out of a greater sense of strict justice. For no one can be more merciful or wiser or more just than God Himself.
http://www.shariah.net/sharia-punishments/
Quote:

In accordance with hadith, stoning to death is the penalty for married men and women who commit adultery...In practice the new Sharia courts in Nigeria have most often meant the re-introduction of harsh punishments without respecting the much tougher rules of evidence and testimony. The punishments include amputation of one/both hands for theft and stoning for adultery.
Wikipedia


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:49 AM

PIZMOBEACH

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Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
My first guess would be that there are probably people in that corner of the govt. who would love to see us invade, which is of course the point of the story.



I think that's an interesting observation. Your take is more along the gov conspiracy vein though, where I would put it all on the news media and the way news is being distributed more and more via the web. Not unlike PN you need those punchy, catchy headlines even more than ever, to get people to click. "Stoning" and "Iran" has to have huge pull in the US, people thrive on being outraged - what better than being outraged by an "enemy" we're already outraged with? And a story that shows them as primitive, lesser humans? The clicks that must have generated, the ad revenue for banner placements, the Toyotas that story sold... thank you Iran!

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 9:16 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Per the linked video of stoning in Iran, I watched, up to a point.

The video was shot in 1994.

The accused was wrapped in a white sheet,covering his entire body, placed in a pre dug hole, which was then filled in w/ dirt, roughly to the man's waist.

That was about all I needed to watch.

It was noted in the video that there's a proper size for stones to be thrown.

Pebbles are too small, and rocks which may result in death in the 1st or 2nd throw are too big.

Apparently it doesn't matter if you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, as long as the size of the rock you through is " just right" .

Any doubt that this is a culture stuck in the medieval period of human history, and that the idea of these folks having a nuclear weapon is a really BAD one, just isn't thinking straight.




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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 9:49 AM

BYTEMITE


AURAptor, I can understand your initial impression, but you need to read what other people posted.

First, apparently this was a judge coming from a Sunni subgroup in NW Iran intent on making a "statement" against Western intervention in their laws.

Secondly, it really ticked off the Shiite religious leaders who are the real people in charge of the Iranian government, who supposedly banned stonings in 2002. The girl has not and won't be stoned because they intervened.

You might be able to make some case that stonings and punishment amputations and floggings and other deadly examples of corporeal punishment happen all the time in remote, lawless areas of the Middle East, and they probably do, and you could probably safely call them backwards, archaic, and medieval. Unfortunately, these are not the folks who are on the brink of nuclear technology, otherwise the "threat" would be a laughable one.

You can't be nuclear proficient and medieval at the same time.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:23 AM

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That they're in the same country where nukes are being made.... that's enough to concern me.




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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:28 AM

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Quote:

You can't be nuclear proficient and medieval at the same time
I would tend to disagree with that one.


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:30 AM

BYTEMITE


So THAT'S why Excalibur was such a big deal.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:33 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Oh c'mon now.

We act as if stoning a woman for being mouthy is a bad thing.

Its only because we pretend to be civilized that it is.

Back in the day, a woman arguing with a man and constantly berating him would either A. Rob the family of food. or B. Make the entire family look weak (which would then be robbed of food.)

Truth of the matter is: Women, shut your mouth. Yeah, you might have a point in your bitching, but wait till you are at home. This is real life, and your mouth doesnt help.

As Mal would say: "You want to tear me down, do it away from the crew."

I agree that women have good points now and again, and that they should be heard. But to do it in public? Sheesh.

And that folks, is my mysoginistic word of the day.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 10:44 AM

BYTEMITE


Actually, she was going to be stoned for killing her husband.

I guess according to you, she got the last word in.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:08 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Stoning is a barbaric way to die, nasty, nasty stuff and it is carried out in Iran for spurious reasons. It's reintroduction was a step back for that country.

Having said that, the US practises a number of execution methods which aren't exactly pleasant either, electrocuting someone to death would cause an outrage if you could actually witness it, and hanging can be slow and painful. I'd say that execution of another human being, for whatever reason is barbaric enough. The US has the unpleasant distinction of being up their in the big five with number of executions carried out - the strange bedfellows of the likes of China, Saudi Arabia and Iran.

It was only a decade or so ago that there were instances of a child under 18 being executed in the US, and I wonder how many people executed are suffering from mental health problems???

It's not so long ago that all societies carried out brutal punishments for a range of crimes, including burning at the stake and being hung drawn and quartered. So it would be good, Americans, if you could lead by example and abolish the death penalty altogether, rather than 'casting the first stone' when it's not quite morally appropriate for you to do so.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


CNN is carrying a new story on the stoning verdict of the woman I started this about, it's an interview with her son about the issue:
Quote:

Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran -- http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/06/iran.stoning/index.html?vide
o=true&hpt=T2
]

I was trying to find out where I read that a woman had her sentence commuted because she had repented, as it is the opposite of the CNN article. I think maybe it was another woman I read about. Still haven't found it, but here's an account and supposedly a picture of one who's sentence was carried out: "According to the state-run daily Rooz, "In May 2006, two people identified as Mahboubeh M. and Abbass H. were stoned to death in the northern city of Mashhad."

The daily added, "Mahboubeh and Abbass were treated as if they were dead already. According to Islamic rituals, they were cleaned and wrapped in shrouds by the undertaker. Being a female, Mahboubeh was buried alive up to her shoulders, and Abbass was buried in the ground up to his waist. Then, they were stoned to death gradually by the volunteers who had come for the stoning. Media news reports only said that they were executed."



If it IS propaganda to forward the idea of invading Iran, it's reached the MSM, and it's pretty well done (which means nothing, I realize). It's up to each to decide what's real and what's not.


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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:19 PM

BYTEMITE


Magon, I've thought this myself. I hear lethal injection is still pretty painful. Electrocution and firing squad have mostly been phased out, though Utah still offers the firing squad because of a Mormon religious belief about blood needing to be spilled for sins that none of them will quite admit to. Hangings still happen, though with less legitimacy.

This kind of gets into a whole question of the prison system and incarceration versus prevention and rehabilitation for me, so I'll stop there.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Magon, I've thought this myself. I hear lethal injection is still pretty painful. Electrocution and firing squad have mostly been phased out, though Utah still offers the firing squad because of a Mormon religious belief about blood needing to be spilled for sins that none of them will quite admit to. Hangings still happen, though with less legitimacy.

This kind of gets into a whole question of the prison system and incarceration versus prevention and rehabilitation for me, so I'll stop there.




Put it this way: Some of the chemicals they use in lethal injection are outlawed for veterinarians to use to put animals to sleep, because of the pain it causes them. I've got a soft spot for animals, but should we treat our animals better than we treat our people?

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:52 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Maybe the Iranian legislators should run as Republicans...

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/6/30/132459/854

Meet Arthur Robinson, Republican candidate for Oregon's 4th Congressional District, and advocate of "Biblican stoning" (as well as dumping oil and nuclear waste at sea, where they can do no harm!).

Quote:

GOP Congressional Candidate Friends With "Execution By Stoning" Advocate

Running for a seat in Oregon's 4th District, Congressional candidate Art Robinson has proposed dumping crude oil waste and radioactive waste at sea, and he advocates that children read a racist 19th Century novel (which Robinson prints and sells.)
Then there's the "Biblical stoning" issue...

Arthur Robinson has lots of ties to the Christian Reconstructionist movement, including being friends with leading Christian Reconstructionist theologian Gary North, who has described execution-by-stoning as a "community project," (rocks are cheap, plentiful, and convenient, North argues.) Art Robinson's Christian homeschooling curriculum even features a 51-minute interview with Christian Reconstructionism's intellectual founder, R. J. Rushdoony. So what is Christian Reconstructionism ? Let's start here:

As Walter Olson began his sardonic "Invitation To A Stoning", published in the November 1998 issue of Reason Magazine,

For connoisseurs of surrealism on the American right, it's hard to beat an exchange that appeared about a decade ago in the Heritage Foundation magazine Policy Review. It started when two associates of the Rev. Jerry Falwell wrote an article which criticized Christian Reconstructionism, the influential movement led by theologian Rousas John (R.J.) Rushdoony, for advocating positions that even they as committed fundamentalists found "scary." Among Reconstructionism's highlights, the article cited support for laws "mandating the death penalty for homosexuals and drunkards." The Rev. Rushdoony fired off a letter to the editor complaining that the article had got his followers' views all wrong: They didn't intend to put drunkards to death.
Christian Reconstructionism has come a long way since then.

Gary North is a leading Christian Reconstructionist. As leading authority on Christian Reconstructionism Frederick Clarkson, describes in a Public Eye article titled, Christian Reconstructionism - Theocratic Dominionism Gains Influence,
Epitomizing the Reconstructionist idea of Biblical "warfare" is the centrality of capital punishment under Biblical Law. Doctrinal leaders (notably Rushdoony, North, and Bahnsen) call for the death penalty for a wide range of crimes in addition to such contemporary capital crimes as rape, kidnapping, and murder. Death is also the punishment for apostasy (abandonment of the faith), heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, incorrigible juvenile delinquency, and, in the case of women, "unchastity before marriage."
According to Gary North, women who have abortions should be publicly executed, "along with those who advised them to abort their children."

Art Robinson in 1986 co-authored with Dr. Gary North a book on how to survive nuclear war titled, Fighting Chance: Ten Feet To Survival. The book advocated bringing back the so-called "Duck and Cover" civil defense approach promoted by the US government civil defense film "Duck and Cover" shown in US schools to schoolchildren in the 1950's and 1960's.

As "Invitation To A Stoning" described North's view on, well, stoning,

Reconstructionists provide the most enthusiastic constituency for stoning since the Taliban seized Kabul. "Why stoning?" asks North. "There are many reasons. First, the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost." Thrift and ubiquity aside, "executions are community projects--not with spectators who watch a professional executioner do `his' duty, but rather with actual participants." You might even say that like square dances or quilting bees, they represent the kind of hands-on neighborliness so often missed in this impersonal era. "That modern Christians never consider the possibility of the reintroduction of stoning for capital crimes," North continues, "indicates how thoroughly humanistic concepts of punishment have influenced the thinking of Christians." And he may be right about that last point, you know.
Gary North is a former Congressional staffer for Texas Congressman Ron Paul (who has endorsed Art Robinson's congressional campaign.) In a November 23, 2002 post at the web site LouRockwell.com, North described how Robinson had purchased an industrial printing press to print hard cover copies of the G. A. Henty boys' novel series:

My friend Art Robinson, a scientist and the publisher of the Access to Energy newsletter, recently bought a used $3 million printing press and support equipment for about three cents on the dollar at an auction. The owner had gone out of business. There were few bidders for that press in a recession year. Robinson uses it to publish a series of over a hundred boys' novels, based on world history, written in the 19th century by G. A. Henty. Robinson had assembled a large mailing list of potential customers who had already bought all of Henty's books on Robinson's Henty CD-ROM for $99 - a terrific deal.




I think he'd fit right in with the Iranian clerics and even the Taliban!



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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 12:57 PM

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If I were capable of outrage, would my outrage over stoning be illegitimate because Americans use lethal injections? I'm having a hard time following that one.

Good thing I don't give a damn what the citizens of the Bronze Age are doing, so long as it doesn't threaten my health.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:03 PM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the linked video of stoning in Iran, I watched, up to a point.

The video was shot in 1994.

The accused was wrapped in a white sheet,covering his entire body, placed in a pre dug hole, which was then filled in w/ dirt, roughly to the man's waist.

That was about all I needed to watch.

It was noted in the video that there's a proper size for stones to be thrown.

Pebbles are too small, and rocks which may result in death in the 1st or 2nd throw are too big.

Apparently it doesn't matter if you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, as long as the size of the rock you through is " just right" .

Any doubt that this is a culture stuck in the medieval period of human history, and that the idea of these folks having a nuclear weapon is a really BAD one, just isn't thinking straight.







Riiiiiii-iiiight. The PROPER way to kill them is to strap them to a board and slowly drown them! That's SO much more humane...



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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:04 PM

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No, no, it's a "he who is without sin cast the first stone" sort of thing, or maybe an encouragement to be outraged, but see to our own house as well. Or at least that's how I took it.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 1:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
That they're in the same country where nukes are being made.... that's enough to concern me.





But YOU are in the same country where nukes are being made, and YOU advocate torturing people to death, strapping suspects (not convicts, just suspects) into gliders loaded nose-heavy with explosives, and worse. That should be enough to concern us all.

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Nice pun.

I oppose the death penalty, because I have squishy, delicate sensibilities. Its barbaric. But perhaps we can admit different degrees of barbarism, and not trip over ourselves in the rush to turn Iran's brutal Bronze Age practices into a window on our own failings. I don't need a poor Iranian woman to be stoned to put the US in perspective.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:02 PM

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Quote:

Riiiiiii-iiiight. The PROPER way to kill them is to strap them to a board and slowly drown them! That's SO much more humane...


How do you live w/ yourself, when you know for a fact that you're distorting my views, often 180 degrees from what I've repeatedly said. ?

I suspect you know you're merely trolling for the effect of causing some sort of reaction, but it really comes down to how sad and pathetic and individual you are. You are simply void of any hint of honesty or civility. Bearing false witness , to you, means nothing, so long as some perverse sense of satisfaction is met.

We've never sentenced anyone to death by the methods you claim, yet you draw a direct comparison between stoning and water boarding ?


I'll take how we performed the water boarding, every day, & you take the stoning.




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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 2:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Actually, she was going to be stoned for killing her husband.

I guess according to you, she got the last word in.




And by a chick, no less.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
If I were capable of outrage, would my outrage over stoning be illegitimate because Americans use lethal injections? I'm having a hard time following that one.

Good thing I don't give a damn what the citizens of the Bronze Age are doing, so long as it doesn't threaten my health.


You are a strange Beast. You've been around here long enough to know that cold hearted logic has no place in the discussion around here. Why do you keep using it when it's obvious that's not what we do here. Take your logic and go find a forum were people have open minds and it will do some good.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:30 PM

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Quote:







" Sit on my face, and tell me that you love me! "






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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 3:38 PM

DREAMTROVE


Pizmo

You are correct. It is the media, not the govt.

As for the conspiracy, the MSM elite have more agenda monkeys than the Govt., so that could still be.

As for Iran providing the material, yes and no. Possibly someone arranged for this to point out the barbary, if only because there is a judge involved. Even in a remote region it seems unlikely.

Still and all, I'd say that someone is fishing for a cause for war.

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Tuesday, July 6, 2010 8:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Nice pun.

I oppose the death penalty, because I have squishy, delicate sensibilities. Its barbaric. But perhaps we can admit different degrees of barbarism, and not trip over ourselves in the rush to turn Iran's brutal Bronze Age practices into a window on our own failings. I don't need a poor Iranian woman to be stoned to put the US in perspective.


Oh but I think you can. You can say that 'we put our citizens to death in a slightly less barbaric fashion' but you can't really, morally get outraged about a system that supports murdering its citizens when you do that as well.

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Wednesday, July 7, 2010 1:51 AM

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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We've never sentenced anyone to death by the methods you claim, yet you draw a direct comparison between stoning and water boarding ?



We've ordered people waterboarded; people have died as a result of our torture programs. Thus, we DID "sentence" them to death by torture. The comparison is quite apt. It's national policy to torture people, and to kill them.

Quote:


I'll take how we performed the water boarding, every day, & you take the stoning.



Same end result. You're quibbling over the HOW of the death penalty, and never asking WHY, or even IF it's good policy. Once you sanction government-sponsored murder, the "how" of it is just a matter of degrees.

By the way, in your reaction to my post, you claim I'm merely posting to provoke a reaction. I say "Jump!", you say "How high?", eh?

One might say I'm in your head...

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Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:

Originally posted by mincingbeast:
Nice pun.

I oppose the death penalty, because I have squishy, delicate sensibilities. Its barbaric. But perhaps we can admit different degrees of barbarism, and not trip over ourselves in the rush to turn Iran's brutal Bronze Age practices into a window on our own failings. I don't need a poor Iranian woman to be stoned to put the US in perspective.


Oh but I think you can. You can say that 'we put our citizens to death in a slightly less barbaric fashion' but you can't really, morally get outraged about a system that supports murdering its citizens when you do that as well.




Exactly. We're not complaining THAT they're killing their citizens; we're complaining about HOW they're killing their citizens. It's barbaric that nobody at the governmental level even seems to question whether killing one's citizens at all is a good idea.

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Wednesday, July 7, 2010 2:18 AM

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Kwickie,

So, by your twisted logic, we should ban cars, airplanes, boating, swimming, rock climbing, skateboarding, cycling, walking under trees, roofing, basketball, running,.... pretty much anything that has resulted in death. Because if the end result is death, it's the exact same as a death sentence.

We've never sentenced anyone to death via waterboarding. Final.


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Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Pizmo

You are correct. It is the media, not the govt.

As for the conspiracy, the MSM elite have more agenda monkeys than the Govt., so that could still be.

As for Iran providing the material, yes and no. Possibly someone arranged for this to point out the barbary, if only because there is a judge involved. Even in a remote region it seems unlikely.

Still and all, I'd say that someone is fishing for a cause for war.



I can see someone wanting to help tarnish their image but to connect that to war just seems extreme imho. If the story were about nukes or military I might see it. This just has that new media feel of poking at our sense of outrage quickly, it has no real relevance to world news. There are probably thousands worse things happening on a daily basis in other countries, but just so happens this is "Iran" which scores very high in the public consciousness word cloud = cha-ching.


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