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Ahhh, poor Mel...
Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:02 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Mel Gibson is currently the schadenfreude special at the all-you-can-eat buffet that is the Internet tabloid world. Alleged audiotapes of his contretemps with ex-girlfriend and babymama Oksana Grigorieva are being released by RadarOnline.com at about the same frequency that nurses give out meds in a psych ward, except with the opposite effect: they've made the Internet go nuts. Jokesters quickly spliced the Gibson rants together with tapes of an enraged Christian Bale; inscribed some of the choicest phrases over pictures of kittens and started a Twitter feed called MelGibsons_rage that tweets random offensive bile at other twitter users. Perhaps the tapes have inspired so much mockery because the ugliness they contain is very hard to contemplate straight-on. Gibson, panting as if he's either calling from a hill on the Tour De France or having panic attack, is excessively vulgar and makes nutty physical threats. The language is so bizarrely repulsive — a David Mametesque fusillade of F-bombs and c-words, punctuated by racist and sexist insults — as to be almost comical. But there's also a weird familiarity to the star's fury. It's reminiscent of the turmoil that can be seen among acquaintances and family members, or even from strangers on cell phones in the street, as a relationship reaches its breaking point. If we strip away the potty-mouthiness, is Mel Gibson not all that different from the rest of us? TIME asked marital counselors whether Gibson's behavior was the kind of insanity that required medical or law-enforcement intervention or just a Hollywood-sized version of the behavior often seen at the breakup of an epically bad relationship. The most consistent answer we got, apart from regret at having to hear the tapes, was that Gibson needs help with issues that had clearly been building for a long time. But not all the therapists agreed on how far beyond the pale his behavior really was. "I've witnessed thousand of arguments at this point and in my opinion this is not typical," says Sharon Rivkin, psychotherapist who specializes in arguments and affairs and is author of last year's Breaking the Argument Cycle. "I think he's got some very serious psychological problems. I think he's dangerous at this point. This goes beyond just a bad relationship. Even if he's been drinking, that's too much." But Michele Weiner-Davis, a psychotherapist and author of Divorce-Busting, says Gibson's ex is not handling the situation in the best possible way. "Mel's being despicable and she's letting it go on. The first time he said 'F___ this you c___,' she should have ended the call and laid down some boundaries." Not that she's blaming Grigorieva. "I'll bet every penny I've ever made that he was abusive in all his previous relationships." And yet, behind the rage, notes Weiner-Davis, there's another dimension to the calls. "Listening between the vulgarities, part of what he was saying is that he was disappointed she wasn't emotionally available to him. That does not justify his behavior, but it's a little too easy to say this guy belongs behind bars." That plea for help, albeit primitive and expletive-laden, is what psychiatrist Scott Haltzmann finds familiar from other couples he has treated. "There's nothing about this call that's healthy," he stresses, "but these themes are not uncommon when I see men. He feels she doesn't appreciate what he does, doesn't make his life more comfortable and doesn't engage in sex with him in the way he would like. These are recurrent problems." Unlike his female counterparts, Haltzmann says Gibson's behavior is not off-the-charts crazy. "Very few therapists know what really goes on in people's households," he says. "I think a lot of couples with poor communication skills and built-up anger reach the point we are hearing on these tapes." The emotional intensity may be common in many arguing married couples, but Steven Stosny, psychotherapist and author of Love without Hurt says that's just half the story. In other respects Gibson "sounds like most of the 4,000 abusers I have treated in my career — he sees himself as the victim and feels justified in any kind of retaliation. He is completely incapable at that point in seeing anyone else's perspective." The whole argument is heightened by what sounds like a panic attack, which Gibson may be dealing with by using alcohol or anger. "The adrenalin rush of anger regulates the powerlessness of the panic attack. He feels temporarily empowered, but the extra jolt of adrenalin turns the anger into rage." There may be one person who could be helped by listening to those phone calls again. As one of the tapes revealed, Gibson is already working with a therapist. Let's hope it's a good one.
Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:10 AM
KANEMAN
Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:39 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:11 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:13 AM
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:16 AM
CUDA77
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Of course, Mel *could* be contemplating running for office as a Tea Party candidate... He's already "courting" the Jewish vote, the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the women's vote. I've no doubt the Tea Party would endorse him in a heartbeat! "Mad Max 2012! He's the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-ah!"
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:17 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I don't know how crazy Mr. Gibson is. I do know these statements are vulgar and offensive and wrong. However, I find that I wish I did not know about them. The only relationship I want to have with Mr. Gibson is as a viewer who either enjoys or does not enjoy his movies. When information like this comes out, it tends to spoil some amount of enjoyment I might have otherwise had in his creations. Everything new and everything remembered is now seen through this filter. It's like that actress that posed in Vietnamese Anti-aircraft guns during the war. My Dad couldn't watch her movies after that, since it offended his sense of patriotism so greatly. Not even Barbarella, in which she is virtually naked much of the time. My Dad adores naked women in cheesy movies, but he couldn't enjoy her body any more, because her politics grated so much. It's hard to suspend reality and view someone as a hero or romantic object when you know something about them that makes them repugnant to you. --Anthony Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Of course, Mel *could* be contemplating running for office as a Tea Party candidate... He's already "courting" the Jewish vote, the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the women's vote. I've no doubt the Tea Party would endorse him in a heartbeat! "Mad Max 2012! He's the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-ah!" Wouldn't even need to make speeches either. Just hire Wulfie and have him post YouTube clips from Mel's movies. After all, it wasn't a character saying those scripted lines, it was Mel, speaking truly and honestly.
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:27 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:39 AM
MALACHITE
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Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: ....and Kwick refuses to get off my case... Dude, get a life, or at least a new target. You are getting boring.
Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello Mal, I agree. It's wrong and potentially damaging to do secondhand diagnosis like this. I'd be suspicious of any psychologist or psychiatrist who made such statements. If their main goal is gathering fame, then I don't want them anywhere near my brain. --Anthony Due to the use of Naomi 3.3.2 Beta web filtering, the following people may need to private-message me if they wish to contact me: Auraptor, Kaneman, Piratenews, Wulfenstar. I apologize for the inconvenience.
Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I refer to it as the "Afterburner Effect", in reference to the ZZ Top album "Afterburner", their follow-up to their top-selling "Eliminator" album. Afterburner was so bad that it actually created a tear in the fabric of space/time and went back in time and tainted all of their previously excellent efforts. I've never been able to listen to them again, because they've been ruined for me forever. Jefferson Airplane's/Starship's "We Built This City" had much the same effect on their previous music, but some of it (White Rabbit, for instance) has managed to remain coherent in the face of the tear in space.
Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:05 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Whatever, Kwick.
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Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Malachite: Hey Mike, So I was thinking about your ZZ Topp experience, and I came up with another personal experience. Def Leppard's "Hysteria" followed by "Adrenalize"... Awful follow up... Anyways, now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:45 PM
FREMDFIRMA
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Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I class him with Dnofrio (SP?) and Costner...ego a mile wide; talent, not so much.
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SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, July 16, 2010 5:25 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Overblown, over-violent, action-hiding-no-talent, that was about it for me even before I learned what an asshole he apparently is. I class him with Dnofrio (SP?) and Costner...ego a mile wide; talent, not so much.
Friday, July 16, 2010 5:52 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
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Quote:Originally posted by Shinygoodguy: "Mad Max 2012! He's the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-ah!" Kwix, you're a sick man - lmao ;-)) SGG Tawabawho?
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