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Unemployment extension battle finally over with...

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UPDATED: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 16:41
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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:30 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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More than 2.5 million unemployed Americans are one step closer to having their unemployment benefits restored.

A bill that would push back the deadline to file for extended unemployment benefits until the end of November passed a key procedural hurdle in the Senate Tuesday. The vote was 60-40, the minimum margin needed to end debate on the measure.

Finally! Now those poor people can get some HELP again.

Aaaannnnddd...onward to the next ridiculous battle...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:36 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

So, those hurt by Obama's failed recession busting stimulus attempt will now sink this nation further in debt ?

And the Dems refuse to follow their own rules and pay for new spending by making equal cuts in the budget? And they refuse to use the 100's of billions of unused stimulus dollars either ?

Hope for November to get here - NOW!

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:46 PM

MAL4PREZ

http://www.offthechartsblog.org/whose-deficit-is-it-anyway/

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 2:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sorry, but the standard ' Blame Bush ' bullshit has no merit here.

The PAYGO system was reestablished as a standing rule of the House of Representatives (Clause 10 of Rule XXI) on January 4, 2007 by the 110th Congress:

It shall not be in order to consider any bill, joint resolution, amendment, or conference report if the provisions of such measure affecting direct spending and revenues have the net effect of increasing the deficit or reducing the surplus for either the period comprising the current fiscal year and the five fiscal years beginning with the fiscal year that ends in the following calendar year or the period comprising the current fiscal year and the ten fiscal years beginning with the fiscal year that ends in the following calendar year.

Of course, the Dems only did that for show, and waive and exempt when ever they deem necessary.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:14 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh for gawd's sake, perspective Wulf! The Republicans have voted every single time for unemployment benefit extensions, until Obama's in office. They didn't mind the spiralling debt of Dumbya and voted for extensions THEN, and they're staunchly against tax cuts for the rich being "paid for" (which nullifies their demand THIS be paid for). And YES, tax cuts DO increase the deficit, so there is no argument. You can't have your cake and eat it to, I'm sorry.

You just cannot stop spouting rhetoric about which you have no real knowledge, can you? What a DAMNED shame!

READ the facts, if that's even possible, don't just regurgitate bullshit. Explain how, when George H.W. Bush called it voodoo economics AND the architect of "trickle-down" admitted in the end that it didn't work, AND economists agree that tax cuts do NOT pay for themselves, that wanting tax cuts unpaid for while demanding unemployment be paid for; how saying unemployment makes me people too lazy to look for work when there are five applicants for every job. Try to make POINTS, debate the FACTS, if you possibly can, don't just spout what you've been told without questioning if there's ANY chance it's wrong.

My gawd, just the number of times DUMBYA waived that, and didn't "pay for" his wars and on and on should make you ashamed to quote it!

You don't have to agree, you don't have to like anyone, you don't even have to say ANYTHING, just check the facts instead of mindlessly parrotting talking points. Or not.

Sigh...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:30 PM

MAL4PREZ

Ahh.. Rappy falls right into my cleverly laid trap BWAH HA HA HA HA!

Blaming Bush is not my point. Your lack of math skills is.

See the itty bitty light blue section of the graph? See the HUGE dark orange section? See the almost as big light orange section? I know you worry about penis size a lot, so you should be able to figure out which of these are bigger...

You're still claiming that a few unemployment benefits are the root of the deficit?

*cuckoo*

*cuckoo*

(Niki, where's that finger-circling-round-ear guy?)

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:38 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

It was big of Obama to wait until the Dems had a veto-proof majority to "call out" the Republicans on their filibuster, though. ;) That was really pretty pathetic of him.

Republicans are angry because this is going to add, they say, $34 billion to the debt. We can pay for that just by quitting the Iraq war this year! Heck, we can pay for that some twenty times over just by letting the Bush tax cuts for the richest of the rich expire this year!

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:38 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Be my guest, dear, take your pick:

It's irrelevant, tho'; he'll never get it, sadly.

P.S. I clean forgot you were female until you mentioned the "hotness of Mal"...my apologies! I'm also impressed; how neat to have such an eloquent woman amongst us--dunno why it should seem neat to me that, given your excellent writing abilities, that you should be female (maybe I should apologize for that?), it just IS! I'll try to remember in future, promise.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of __________________, code name ‘Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:38 PM

MAL4PREZ

Hey - but since Rappy wants to blame Bush:

President --------- Jobs created per year
George W. Bush ---- 375,000
Bill Clinton ------ 2,900,000
George H.W. Bush -- 625,000
Ronald Reagan ----- 2,000,000

Looks like both Bushes were job creation challenged, huh? Not quite following their beloved Reagan, and certainly not living up to Clinton.

BTW, these stats are from that well-known bastion of the leftist liberal media: Murdoch's WSJ.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track
-record-on-record/

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:42 PM

MAL4PREZ

That's the one! So appropo.

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P.S. I clean forgot you were female until you mentioned the "hotness of Mal"...my apologies!

I tend to not be stereotypical. I'm not much for chocolate (except for small amounts of the good dark stuff), and I never ask for directions!

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Niki2:Oh for gawd's sake, perspective Wulf! The Republicans have voted every single time for unemployment benefit extensions, until Obama's in office. They didn't mind the spiralling debt of Dumbya and voted for extensions THEN, and they're staunchly against tax cuts for the rich being "paid for" (which nullifies their demand THIS be paid for). And YES, tax cuts DO increase the deficit, so there is no argument. You can't have your cake and eat it to, I'm sorry.

You just cannot stop spouting rhetoric about which you have no real knowledge, can you? What a DAMNED shame!

First, I'm not Wulf.

Second, debt on top of debt is never a good thing. Regardless of who is in power.

Obama's debt is many times that what Bush's was, so shove a sock in it.

Tax cuts don't increase the deficit. They increase revenue to the Treasury, there is no argument. Adding MORE spending on top of tax cuts is what adds to the deficit.

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Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:41 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Niki2:Oh for gawd's sake, perspective Wulf! The Republicans have voted every single time for unemployment benefit extensions, until Obama's in office. They didn't mind the spiralling debt of Dumbya and voted for extensions THEN, and they're staunchly against tax cuts for the rich being "paid for" (which nullifies their demand THIS be paid for). And YES, tax cuts DO increase the deficit, so there is no argument. You can't have your cake and eat it to, I'm sorry.

You just cannot stop spouting rhetoric about which you have no real knowledge, can you? What a DAMNED shame!

First, I'm not Wulf.

Second, debt on top of debt is never a good thing. Regardless of who is in power.

Which is why it was such a horrible idea to (a) invade Iraq for no valid reason at all, and (b) enact tax cuts for the very richest of Americans during that same time frame, which only served to pile debt on top of debt. Hundreds and hundreds of billions, until that number became TRILLIONS.

But none of that was important then, right?

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Obama's debt is many times that what Bush's was, so shove a sock in it.

"Many times"? Hardly. More like a few billion more. Shove your own sock in your own self.

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Tax cuts don't increase the deficit. They increase revenue to the Treasury, there is no argument. Adding MORE spending on top of tax cuts is what adds to the deficit.

So you're saying that if we cut all taxes to zero, we'd have unlimited funding to the treasury, right? After all, you say tax cuts INCREASE revenue, so eliminating them must increase revenue infinitely!

As for adding spending on top of tax cuts, I'll defer to your expertise. You Republicans have got that down to a fine art. ;)

By the way, you claim that "there is no argument". How do you figure? Because Bush said it, so that settles it? There's plenty of "argument", including from Bush's own Treasury Department!

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Reality: A study by the President’s own Treasury Department confirmed the common-sense view shared by economists across the political spectrum: cutting taxes decreases revenues.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=692

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Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
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