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Obama tries to re write history re: Islam and the United States

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Monday, August 16, 2010 10:38 AM

AURAPTOR

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Saturday, 14 August 2010 That Tunisian Envoy

That "First Iftar Dinner" "

The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan --- making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago." -- Barack Obama, speaking at the “Annual Iftar Dinner” at the White House

http://www.newenglishreview.or...m/blog_id/29128




Barack Obama's attempt to re-write history here, just a little, by calling Sidi Soliman Mellimelli an "ambassador" which implies to today's listener a permanent posting

And he's not even close. Jefferson loathed the Muslims, and the ' ambassador ' from Tunisia wasn't, the country of Tunisia didn't even EXIST!! Tunisia wasn't a country, and Mellimelli wasn't an "ambassador".

The crisis erupted when the USS Constitution captured vessels attempting to run the American blockade of Tripoli. The bey of Tunis threatened war and sent Mellimelli to the United States to negotiate full restitution for the captured vessels and to barter for tribute.

Mellimelli was in Washington during Ramadan, a month-long period in which Muslims fast from sunrise to sunset. To accommodate his guest’s religious obligation, Jefferson’s invitation to the President’s House on December 9 changed the time of dinner from the usual “half after three” to “precisely at sunset.”

Neither Jefferson, nor any of the Americans involved, thought they were giving an "Iftar dinner" but simply dinner, at a time convenient for this envoy,accommodating him because he represented a primitive and barbaric Muslim statelet on the northern littoral of North Africa, was now attacking American shipping --








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Monday, August 16, 2010 1:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Jefferson loathed the Muslims...


Swing and a miss, yet again. You really are ignorant of the founders' views towards religious freedom, aren't you?

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In 1776, John Adams published "Thoughts on Government," in which he praises the Islamic prophet Mahomet (Mohammed) as a "sober inquirer after truth" alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other "pagan and Christian" thinkers.
In 1785, George Washington stated a willingness to hire "Mahometans," as well as people of any nation or religion, to work on his private estate at Mount Vernon if they were "good workmen."[23]
In 1790, the South Carolina legislative body granted special legal status to a community of Moroccans, twelve years after the Sultan of Morocco became the first foreign head of state to formally recognize the United States.[24] In 1796, then president John Adams signed a treaty declaring the United States had no "character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen".[25]
In his autobiography, published in 1791, Benjamin Franklin stated that he "did not disapprove" of a meeting place in Pennsylvania that was designed to accommodate preachers of all religions. Franklin wrote that "even if the Mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mohammedanism to us, he would find a pulpit at his service."[26]
Thomas Jefferson defended religious freedom in America including those of Muslims. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Muslims when writing about the movement for religious freedom in Virginia. In his autobiography Jefferson wrote "[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom... was finally passed,... a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word 'Jesus Christ,' so that it should read 'a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.' The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination."[27] While President, Jefferson also participated in an iftar with the Ambassador of Tunisia in 1809.[28]



Jefferson "loathed" Islam so much he kept a copy of the Q'uran in his library.

Oh, and the Treaty of Tripoli expressly stated that America is not a Christian nation, and praised Islam and Mohammed:

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Annals of Congress, 5th Congress

Article 1. There is a firm and perpetual peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary, made by the free consent of both parties, and guarantied by the most potent Dey and Regency of Algiers.

Art. 2. If any goods belonging to any nation with which either of the parties is at war, shall be loaded on board of vessels belonging to the other party, they shall pass free, and no attempt shall be made to take or detain them.

Art. 3. If any citizens , subjects, or effects, belonging to either party, shall be found on board a prize vessel taken from an enemy by the other party, such citizens or subjects shall be set at liberty, and the effects restored to the owners.

Art. 4. Proper passports are to be given to all vessels of both parties, by which they are to be known. And considering the distance between the two countries, eighteen months from the date of this treaty, shall be allowed for procuring such passports. During this interval the other papers, belonging to such vessels, shall be sufficient for their protection.

Art. 5. A citizen or subject of either party having bought a prize vessel, condemned by the other party, or by any other nation, the certificates of condemnation and bill of sale shall be a sufficient passport for such vessel for one year; this being a reasonable time for her to procure a proper passport.

Art. 6. Vessels of either party, putting into the ports of the other, and having need of provisions or other supplies, they shall be furnished at the market price. And if any such vessel shall so put in, from a disaster at sea, and have occasion to repair, she shall be at liberty to land and re-embark her cargo without paying any duties. But in case shall she be compelled to the land her cargo.

Art. 7. Should a vessel of either party be cast on the shore of the other, all proper assistance shall be given to her and her people; no pillage shall be allowed; the property shall remain at the disposition of the owners; and the crew protectedand succored till they can be sent to their country.

Art. 8. If a vessel of either party should be attacked by an enemy, within gun-shot of the forts of the other , she shall be defended as much as possible. If she be in port she shall not be seized on or attacked, when it is in the power of the other party to protect her. And when she proceeds to sea, no enemy shall be allowed to pursue her from the same port, within twenty-four hours after her departure.

Art. 9. The commerce between the United States and Tripoli; the protection to be given to merchants, masters of vessels, and seamen; the reciprocal right of the establishing Consuls in each country; and the privileges, immunities, and jurisdiction, to be on the same footing with those of the most favored nations respectively.

Art. 10. The money and presents demanded by the Bey of Tripoli, as a full and satisfactory consideration on his part, and on the part of his subjects, for this treaty of perpetual peace and friendship, are acknowledged to have been received by him previous to his signing the same, according to a receipt which is hereto annexed, except such as part as is promised, on the part of the United States, to be delivered and paid by them on the arrival of their Consul in Tripoli; of which part a note is likewise hereto annexed. And no pretense of any periodical tribute of further payments is ever to be made by either party.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Art. 12. In case of any dispute, arising from a violation of any of the articles of this treaty, no appeal shall be made to arms; nor shall war be declared on any pretext whatever. But if the Consul, residing at the place where the dispute shall happen, shall not be able to settle the same, an amicable referrence shall be made to the mutual friend of the parties, the Dey of Algiers; the parties hereby engaging to abide by his decision. And he, by virtue of his signature to this treaty, engages for himself and successors to declare the justice of the case, according to the true interpretation of the treaty, and to use all the means in his power to enforce the observance of the same.



You really suck at facts.

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Monday, August 16, 2010 1:43 PM

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Nice 2 step.

Obama lies about Jefferson, and you focus on everything but the facts.

figures.


And a formal treaty does not reflect the personal views of Jefferson.

You moron.





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Monday, August 16, 2010 1:45 PM

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Monday, August 16, 2010 1:45 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You are so "owned".

Moron.

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Monday, August 16, 2010 1:48 PM

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You are so "owned".




You repeat what others say because you know you were owned, totally and completely.





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Monday, August 16, 2010 2:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Well, let's see...

You SAY you want to debate about "facts" - and offer none. You SAY you want to discuss Jefferson's personal feelings - and then offer no evidence to support your claims, while I offer plenty to support my own.

By the way, will you promise here and now to NEVER use someone else's words back to them in a reply? Promise?

That's what I thought, because you do it all the time.

So where's all your evidence that Jefferson "loathed" Muslims? I can find no such utterances or writings by him.

As for Tunisia not being Tunisia at that time, I find cites referring to it as Tunisia as far back as the 1200s A.D.

And Jefferson referred to the Muslim guy as an "ambassador", even though he appears to have been merely an envoy. So blame ol' Tom for getting his facts wrong if you want.

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Monday, August 16, 2010 2:37 PM

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Obama lied and showed his ignorance in relaying a story to a Muslim friendly crowd, for the purpose of conveying a false impression of our history with followers of Islam.






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Monday, August 16, 2010 3:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


It's no "false impression" - we really do have a rich history with Muslims in America. There were Muslims here in the 1500s, exploring the Southwest and even Florida with the Spanish.

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