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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:48 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Just for fun, let's look back throughout the history of mankind, not just at 2010, and see which religions have been the most violent, oppressed or wiped out other religions, built temples in the name of victory, slaughtered and committed atrocities, shall we?
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The intolerance of Islam is preceded by an intolerant Christianity. In many ways Islam seems to have executed a model for expansion through conversion created and successfully implemented by Christian predecessors. The concept of “heathen” and “pagan”, having pejorative connotations comparable to “infidel” and “kafir” in Islam, originated with Christianity.

Early Christianity was against learning and burned books and schools, a model that early Islam also followed. The great university and library of Alexandria was only one of the many centers of learning in the ancient world that was destroyed by Christian fanaticism, which appears to be similar to the destruction of many universities and libraries like Nalanda by Islamic fanaticism.

In the early centuries of Christian rule numerous pagan temples were destroyed or replaced by churches, their beautiful statues were broken and trampled upon as unholy idols, just like the destruction of Hindu temples and construction of mosques in their place by Islamic invaders in the middle ages. Like Jihad, the Crusades were a series of military campaigns waged in the name of Christendom, usually sanctioned by the Pope.

Before the birth of secularism, in the Christian world Church regulated every aspect of life and imposed its conservative views on the society with severe and inhuman punishments for the defaulters. In Europe, millions were brutally tortured and executed on the charges of witchcraft, allegedly being possessed by Satan, in the middle ages. The Catholic Church was opposed to scientific discoveries that did not agree with the religious scriptures. Inquisitions were established, with the approval or authority of the Pope, from time to time for securing religious and doctrinal unity through conversion, and often through persecution, of alleged heretics.

Towards the end of the 15th Century, when Portugal and Spain were at loggerheads as to who should claim suzerainty and where, the Pope was invited to give a ruling. According to the Treaty of Tordesillas signed in June 1494, it was agreed that everything beyond the meridian of longitude passing 370 leagues west of Cape Verde Islands was to be exploited by Spain. The world to the east of the "Pope's Line" went to Portugal. The Papal Bull thus allocated the two halves of the world to Spain and Portugal, which henceforward became the base of the missionary enterprise in the Americas and Asia, respectively.

When the Spaniards newly arrived in America in 1492, they took the natives to be devils and for about forty years it was legal to hunt down the natives like animals. It was only in 1530 that the Pope relented and declared that American Indians were human! The declaration seems to have emanated from the Catholic Church’s eagerness to label the native Indians as worthy of conversion.

Spaniards tore down Indian temples, destroyed Indian idols and often built Christian churches with the stones from destroyed temples. In trying to destroy paganism the Spaniards wiped out the historical records and ancient almanacs of the Indians.

The Spaniards intentionally humiliated the priests of native religions to discredit them. Infectious diseases like smallpox, influenza, measles and typhus, brought to the continent by the immigrants and at times deliberately propagated to weaken the native civilizations’ ability to resist the invaders, combined with cruel systems of forced labor for enslaved natives, decimated the American population.

After Vasco da Gama discovered the sea route to the East in 1497-1499, the Portuguese, desperate to control the spice trade from India, conquered Goa. Soon after the Portuguese soldiers came the priests. This Catholic Clergy from Portugal was prepared to go to any length to spread their faith. They force-fed Goan converts beef and pork, forced them to change their life-styles and declared that the converts could never return to Hinduism. The Portuguese Viceroy in Goa was empowered to destroy all Hindu temples, leaving not a single one of them in any of the islands of Goa, and to confiscate the estates of all these temples for the maintenance of the churches which are to be erected in place of these hateful temples. Within decades of their occupation, the Portuguese had destroyed, according to their own records, hundreds of temples --all important Christian Orders taking part in this pious work.

St. Francis Xavier, after whom many schools and colleges are named in our country, came to India with the firm resolve of uprooting paganism from the soil of India and planting Christianity in its place. He wrote back home, “When I have finished baptizing the people, I order them to destroy the huts in which they keep their idols; and I have them break the statues of their idols into tiny pieces, since they are now Christians. I could never come to an end describing to you the great consolation which fills my soul when I see idols being destroyed by the hands of those who had been idolaters,” (from The Letters and Instructions of Francis Xavier, 1993, pp 117-8).

Religious fatvas are not restricted to Islam alone. A religious fatva was issued by Christian rulers of Goa prohibiting Hindu rites, rituals and ceremonies related to marriage and death. Fasting on ekadashi and lunar eclipse was prohibited. Fasting could be done according to the Christian principles. Hindu men were not allowed to wear dhoti and women were not allowed to wear choli.

Like the Muslim rulers who imposed Jaziya, a tax for the infidels which the converts were exempted from, the Christian regime in Goa exempted the converts to Christianity from land taxes.

“The fathers of the Church forbade the Hindus under terrible penalties the use of their own sacred books, and prevented them from all exercise of their religion. They destroyed their temples, and so harassed and interfered with the people that they abandoned the city in large numbers, refusing to remain any longer in a place where they had no liberty, and were liable to imprisonment, torture and death if they worshipped after their own fashion the gods of their fathers.” wrote Sasetti, who was in India from 1578 to 1588. (source: Forgotten Empire (Vijayanagar) - By Robert Sewell p. 211).

Even in the present times, when on the one hand India is facing horrendous Islamic separatism and terrorism, on the other hand we have clear evidence of international Christian organizations backing terrorism and separatist movements in the north-east. The demand for “Nagaland for Christ”, a separate Christian state, gets its inspiration directly from the Church. A detailed study of the entire history of Christian missionary activities in the tribal areas, especially the north-east, clearly reveals a systematic ethnic cleansing of Hindu and Buddhist tribal.

The African experience with Christianity is no different. Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a South African cleric and activist who rose to worldwide fame during the 1980s as an opponent of apartheid, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984 has said, “It was Christians, you know, not Pagans, (Heathens) who were responsible for the Holocaust. It was Christians, not Pagans, who lynched people here in the South, who burned people at the stake, frequently in the name of this Jesus Christ.”

Given their history of intolerance and oppression and their continued zeal to convert the heathens or infidels at any cost, Christianity and Islam appear to be the two sides of the same coin. There is no point in one criticizing the other or assuming superiority over the other. The Church sponsored terrorism in the tribal areas and the American crusade in Iraq are as deplorable as Islamic terrorism and Jihad.

In this respect, India takes pride in the fact that none of the Indian religions namely, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, ever preached exclusiveness or seek converts through violence. With the mottos “Sarve Bhavantu Sukhinah” (May all be happy) and “Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam” (The earth is one family) at its heart, the Indic civilization, from times immemorial, has been guided by the doctrine “Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti” (There is only one truth, only men describe it in different ways).

http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_060914.htm

Hey, I guess Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism ad Sikhism win, and Christianity, Judiasm and Islam lose!


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off





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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA



For the record, Jains are actually very cool dudes, even if many of our beliefs are in diametric opposition, I do tend to like them, and although this isn't in any way reciprocated, even so they are very polite about it - even when it hurts to be.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:39 PM

WHOZIT


Question for you libs, why are you defending this faith? They KILL gays and HATE everything you libs are for.

Women are 2nd class citizens

Gays can not marry, they're killed

"R" rated flicks are be banned

Keith Olbermann would be the anhcor of the ONLY evening news program if they ruled the world.


Those arn't boobs, they're lies! - Stewie Griffin

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:42 PM

KANEMAN


Why bother. You can't excuse one asshole because there used to be a bigger asshole. Let's talk about NOW. And I don't mean your lesbian drug riddled ex-hippie whores. I mean time-wise, you old whore. Why muddy the debate? This isn't woodstock bitch! This is reality.....Well, it's true.....

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:13 PM

KLESST


I dislike religion as much as anyone, but if you're going to make a list why leave out the best killers of humans in the history of the World. Atheist commies have killed more humans than all religions combined.

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:35 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Uh, no they haven't, Klesst, not by a long shot--but that is a very valid point, except I'm not sure how many actual "atheist" Communists there are. Lots and lots of people live within Communist countries who follow a religion. Worth looking into, tho'--then again, Atheistic Communism is pretty new...

Prior to that post, however: Interesting take. Frem has some interesting knowledge to share, another thinks I'm "DEFENDING" Islam (which I'm not, I'm merely showing that the two religions, one of which is being demonized here consistently, share a lot of history and activties in common. Obviously that's unacceptable). Then another says it's all about "NOW". That last one is so very American; we've only been here 200 years, so whatever happened earlier than that has no bearing on reality. We are 'Muricans, we are Great, we are ALL, and no history that isn't our history means anything to us.

And of course, it's "excusing" one religion by showing that another religion behaved much the same way, because Religion #1 HAS to be bad, bad to the bone, while Religion #2 HAS to be good and perfect and wonderful; after all, it's the 'MURICAN religion!

I get it.

Oh, just FYI, regarding THE FAITH OF ISLAM, not what people THINK of Islam:

“They KILL gays” - That is not accurate

"HATE everything you libs are for" - Also not accurate.

"Women are 2nd class citizens" - Not only not accurate, but the parallel is that until the last few decades, women in AMERICA were second-class citizens.

"Gays can not marry, they're killed" - They can’t marry in most of America, either, and many have been killed for being gays by people as bigoted and misled by ANOTHER religion. Nonethless, Islam does not call for the death of homosexuals, or adulterers...those are INTEPRETATIONS, used to spike up hatred and give the interpretere power over their followers, just exactly like fundamentalist Christians having been told that homosexuals are damned to hell.

"R" rated flicks are be banned – and anti-Christian films “are be” banned in places in America.

Not much of an argument.

I'm not defending a country, I'm not defending a faith, I'm not defending ANYTHING...I'm buddhist, you see. I'm offering perspective; I'm trying to say that demonizing another's religion is wrong for so many reasons, and to claim "All Muslims..." or "Islam..." is to show one's ignorance and close-mindedness, nothing more.

And now I'm going to go have dinner and let those among you would enjoy fostering each other's hate have fun by yourselves.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:37 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Klesst:
I dislike religion as much as anyone, but if you're going to make a list why leave out the best killers of humans in the history of the World. Atheist commies have killed more humans than all religions combined.



Stallion anyone Kleest you make too much sense again for this discussion...are you my sock-puppet? Have you ever inhaled Jenkem? Stalin misspelled for a reason. Anyone dare to guess?

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:05 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Except atheism isn't exactly a religion...

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Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:08 PM

KLESST


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Have you ever inhaled Jenkem?


I tried to make some but it exploded in the trunk of the car I was stewing it in. I don't own a car so I used a 73 Caddy that was abandoned behind my neighbors trailer. Luckily the trunk had already been modified to open with a screwdriver, but upon hearing the explosion I rushed to try and inhale some of the blissful fumes before they escaped. Unfortunately the size of the Caddy trunk diluted the fumes to much for full effect. Is this a temperature problem I'm experiencing or is there something I need to change about my diet. I thought eating Mexican food a few days before mixing the recipe would help, could this be my problem.

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