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More Muslims Speak Out Against Ground Zero Mosque
Friday, August 27, 2010 3:41 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Muslims across the U.S. and around the world are speaking out against building an Islamic center and mosque near the mass murder site at Ground Zero in lower Manhattan. Many Muslim voices are echoing conservative critics of the Cordoba Initiative’s attempt to build the 13-story facility just 600 feet from where the twin towers of the World Trade Center once stood. http://bigpeace.com/jmwaller/2010/08/24/more-muslims-speak-out-against-ground-zero-mosque/ The current Miss USA, Rami Fakih, who is the first Arab-American to wear the crown and is a practicing Muslim, agrees with the critics. She told CBS Inside Edition, “It shouldn’t be so close to the World Trade Center. We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion.” Gamal Awad, a professor at Cairo’s Al Azhar University, told the Los Angeles Times. “It will further connect Islam with a horrible event.”
Friday, August 27, 2010 4:06 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, August 27, 2010 4:16 PM
HKCAVALIER
Friday, August 27, 2010 4:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Of course, one would also have to assume that OTHERS are reasonable, something you've quite clearly shown yourself not to be.
Friday, August 27, 2010 4:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Too bad for you, it doesn't matter what you or I or all the foreign Muslims in the world or 70% of the Amerurrican people think--it only matters what the owners of the property and the city council of NYC think and they've already decided. If you don't want to build a mosque in downtown Manhattan, then don't build one! HKCavalier
Friday, August 27, 2010 5:00 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Zuhdi Jasser, President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, told The Daily Caller that the Ground Zero mosque “is not a humble Islamic statement. A mosque such as this is actually a political structure that casts a shadow over a cemetery, over hallowed ground.
Quote:The Canadian Muslim group rejected Rauf’s claim that the mosque will increase tolerance for Muslims, asking him, “Do you not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox Church near the killing fields of Srebrenica [Kosovo] where 6,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?”
Friday, August 27, 2010 5:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Quote:Zuhdi Jasser, President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, told The Daily Caller that the Ground Zero mosque “is not a humble Islamic statement. A mosque such as this is actually a political structure that casts a shadow over a cemetery, over hallowed ground. I agree with this guy, and the Islamic/political statement thing. Quote:The Canadian Muslim group rejected Rauf’s claim that the mosque will increase tolerance for Muslims, asking him, “Do you not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox Church near the killing fields of Srebrenica [Kosovo] where 6,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?” That's an interesting point, would Islamic centre supporters support a bridge-building Serbian Orthodox Church being built in a population centre near to Srebrenica? It's not personal. It's just war.
Friday, August 27, 2010 6:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: If they adopt the U.S. Constitution as their foundation of government, then yes.
Friday, August 27, 2010 6:52 PM
Friday, August 27, 2010 7:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Thanks for confirming your belief that the Constitution isn't a valid basis for anything. We always suspected, but it's clarifying to hear you come right out and say it.
Friday, August 27, 2010 7:14 PM
SHINYGOODGUY
Friday, August 27, 2010 8:00 PM
Friday, August 27, 2010 8:07 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Shinygoodguy: Could they build? Yes, they have every right to. Should they build? No, it's a dumb idea.
Friday, August 27, 2010 9:44 PM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Shinygoodguy: This isn't and never was a US Constitutional issue. That anyone continues to attempt to bring up the Constitutionality issue on this matter only shows they are completely disingenuous and really have no legitimate argument FOR this mosque being built. ___________________________________________________________________ Oh, but it very much is a Constitutional issue. It is the basis of our society and what sets us apart from the rest of the world. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Notice there isn't a subparagraph that states - "Except in the case of Islamic worship" No, they have every right to build there. But, having said that, it is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. After much thought, I came to the conclusion that its like putting a Wendy's inside a McDonald's; or placing a Nazi exhibit inside a Jewish Synagogue. It just isn't done. It is an excercise in poor judgement and insensitivity. Now, mind you, I'm not a religious fanatic. Far from it. Just someone who believes in the established rights as part and parcel of what makes our country what it is today. Could they build? Yes, they have every right to. Should they build? No, it's a dumb idea. Problem solved, next case. SGG Tawabawho?
Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:26 AM
RIVERLOVE
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Shinygoodguy: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Notice there isn't a subparagraph that states - "Except in the case of Islamic worship"
Quote: No, they have every right to build there. But, having said that, it is the stupidest idea I've ever heard. After much thought, I came to the conclusion that its like putting a Wendy's inside a McDonald's; or placing a Nazi exhibit inside a Jewish Synagogue. It just isn't done. It is an excercise in poor judgement and insensitivity
Quote: Now, mind you, I'm not a religious fanatic. Far from it. Just someone who believes in the established rights as part and parcel of what makes our country what it is today. Could they build? Yes, they have every right to. Should they build? No, it's a dumb idea. Problem solved, next case. SGG Tawabawho?
Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: The opposition to the 9/11 Victory Mosque site from NYC residents is greater than the national numbers, currently at 70% opposition. Once again, on yet another divisive issue that Obama's inexperience and ineptitude either created or amplified, progessive pseudo-elitists are showing just how out of touch with the mainstream they truly are, and what a small fraction of America they represent.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:23 AM
OUT2THEBLACK
Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:27 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:When Republicans and Jihadists Agree... My Sunday column is about “ground zero mosque” that of course isn’t a mosque and isn’t at ground zero. I argue that the proposed Islamic Center in lower Manhattan can be force for moderation — but, more important, that opposition to it from some Republicans feeds into the jihadi narrative that America is at war with Islam. Most of the debate within America has focused on the religious freedom issue. Do Muslims have a right to build a mosque near where other Muslims took thousands of lives? But in international relations and security circles, the debate has focused more on the question of how this domestic debate affects the battle within Islam. As I argue, it seems pretty clear that Osama bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders agree with Republicans in opposing the Islamic community center and are delighted to see the furor erupt over it. One of the key recruiting themes of Al Qaeda in seeking disaffected Muslims in America and Britain has been that the West will never treat Muslims with equality and dignity, that we are caught ineluctably in a clash of civilizations that can be resolved only with guns and bombs. This article quotes Awlaki as saying:Quote:Today, with the war between Muslims and the West escalating, you cannot count on the message of solidarity you may get from a civic group or a political party, or the word of support you hear from a kind neighbor or a nice co-worker. The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens!In his lair in Yemen, Awlaki must be cheering the Republicans on as they demagogue against the mosque and feed into his terror recruitment narrative. Your thoughts?
Quote:Today, with the war between Muslims and the West escalating, you cannot count on the message of solidarity you may get from a civic group or a political party, or the word of support you hear from a kind neighbor or a nice co-worker. The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens!
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