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REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS
Glenn Beck Rally
Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:A scheduling fluke or a ratings grab by a Fox News channel TV host? A late-summer push to rally the far-right "tea party" faithful as election season swings into high gear or a poke in the eye of history? All or none of the above? Calendar, shmalendar, conservative talk show host Glenn Beck says about his choice of Aug. 28 for a Washington rally on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. “This is about restoring honor, this is about the things that Martin Luther King stood for … the content of character, not the color of skin, but people have been acting as if no white man can mention or praise or support the mission of Martin Luther King. African-Americans don’t own Martin Luther King.” [That's just bullshit, MANY Americans praise and support King!] “This is a moment, quite honestly, that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement. We are on the side of individual freedoms and liberties and, damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights movement … we will take that movement because we were the people who did it in the first place.” Who, exactly, is "we" in that storm-the-ramparts statement? White aggrievement is the subtext of that Beck trumpet call, suggests sociologist Charles Gallagher of La Salle University. “Beck is tapping into a sense of loss that permeates many sectors of society, particuarly during economic downturns.” In choosing the Martin Luther King speech anniversary, Beck also capitalizes on the notion of progress in racial equality, a theme that underlies what Professor Gallagher calls a subtle but growing sense among many on the right that whites have become the new minority, “a group that must now reclaim its own rights.” The Fox News host is trying to "take advantage of a feeling of loss, even if not conscious ... on the part of many white people, certainly many conservative white people,” says Xavier University sociologist Jacqueline Battlaora, a former Chicago police officer. She says a large segment of the tea party movement responds to this message by pushing for its own individual rights, and adds, "and this is the group Beck is reaching out to in this weekend rally." But political strategists say the main goal of Saturday's event is to rally the troops ahead of what could be a pivotal election. “It’s the end of August, [and] the big election push will begin next week, and getting people out and involved is what Glenn Beck is all about,” says Larry Farnsworth, former speechwriter for Republican ex-House Speaker Dennis Hastert and now vice president of Crosby-Volmer International Communications, a public relations firm. “This is all about making sure his followers in the tea party movement get involved in the election that is just around the corner.”
Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:46 AM
CUDA77
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:51 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:58 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:04 AM
WHOZIT
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Not really, I'm just finding it interesting. It's certainly a "Real World EVENT", if nothing else. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:09 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: I suppose. But I'm viewing this as I do any sort of Neo-Nazi or KKK or Westboro Baptist Church meeting (not implying that this is anything like those, mind you) in that I simply don't pay any attention to it. Because I know that if I did, all I'd do is get real angry and annoyed at what they were saying. And much like those other groups I mentioned, Glenn Beck and his group of tea-bagging Hateriots simply aren't worth getting riled up over because also like those other groups, it's just a few folk that think like him and I know that most of the rest of the country is (mostly) sane and doesn't think like that.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:38 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: I realize I'm already an idiot for engaging in this but here goes... It reminds me of them because it's just a gathering of very few people with rather silly beliefs. Even if Beck's entire listening audience shows up, that's maybe what, 1% of the country's population? Sorry, but I'm not going to get myself all fussed up about that big of a minority. Until something like 200 million people show up to one of his gatherings, Beck and his little klan are of no concern to me and are not worth my attention. Oh, and my people aren't in charge because as stated, I'm a socialist. So the only person I can say that is similar to my beliefs that is in the federal government is Bernie Sanders. So one guy out of the 100 in the Senate is hardly saying my people are in charge. We've got one in and at least something. But it's nowhere near something worth getting excited over. Much like Beck's rally.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:02 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:11 AM
PENGUIN
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Well, Cuda, I'm sure once FauxNews gets done inflating the numbers, the crowd estimates will exceed two billion. AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:23 AM
Quote:as for that phonie Bernie Sanders, he said he hated Obamacare because it was written by "K" street
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:40 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:47 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:57 AM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: If MLK had been around to see Sharptons "speech"...
Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:20 AM
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Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:17 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:16 PM
RIVERLOVE
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:22 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Beck's "new way" hasn't been new since the 30's.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Beck's "new way" hasn't been new since the 30's. /QUOTE] Beck doesn't have a moustache or a sidearm or an army of murderous brutal thugs, and the only flags on display were American flags. I wouldn't have thought that you could equate the American flag with the Nazi flag, but I see you can.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Beck's "new way" hasn't been new since the 30's. /QUOTE] Beck doesn't have a moustache or a sidearm or an army of murderous brutal thugs, and the only flags on display were American flags. I wouldn't have thought that you could equate the American flag with the Nazi flag, but I see you can.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Beck's "new way" hasn't been new since the 30's. /QUOTE] Beck doesn't have a moustache or a sidearm or an army of murderous brutal thugs, and the only flags on display were American flags. I wouldn't have thought that you could equate the American flag with the Nazi flag, but I see you can.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:44 PM
Quote: There were some strange parts as well, including two statments made by one of the pastors who spoke. In back to back sentences he said "Glenn Beck is God's son." Then he said "God sent his Son...."... he meant different things, hence the capital S for the latter, but it sounded very bizarre.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:51 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: There were some strange parts as well, including two statments made by one of the pastors who spoke. In back to back sentences he said "Glenn Beck is God's son." Then he said "God sent his Son...."... he meant different things, hence the capital S for the latter, but it sounded very bizarre. So did he actually SAY "capitol S", or did you just infer it because you're so mesmerized with Herr Beck? And I'm sure he meant it exactly the way you're implying he didn't mean it.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:26 PM
KLESST
Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:31 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Klesst: I think it's just perfect that Kwicko would post a Nazi photo right after Wulfenstar posted the article by the great Jewish American Charles Krauthammer. Kwicko just proves that everything Krauthammer says about liberals is true. Or maybe Kwicko just couldn't resist sharing one of the photos from his vast collection of pictures of high cheek boned men in knee high boots. I suspect that he just wanted to share his homoerotic fantasies with us, but wish he wouldn't.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Riverlove: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote: There were some strange parts as well, including two statments made by one of the pastors who spoke. In back to back sentences he said "Glenn Beck is God's son." Then he said "God sent his Son...."... he meant different things, hence the capital S for the latter, but it sounded very bizarre. So did he actually SAY "capitol S", or did you just infer it because you're so mesmerized with Herr Beck? And I'm sure he meant it exactly the way you're implying he didn't mean it. I gave a fair assessment of the rally in my first post. Relax, and lay off the Nazi stuff. It makes you look quite desperate.
Saturday, August 28, 2010 2:48 PM
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Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:36 PM
DMAANLILEILTT
Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:10 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Right now, Western Civilization, however much many of its members may refuse to admit it, is involved in a world war. No, it has seen no entire cities destroyed; no trenches have drawn their scars across entire continents. It is a world war all the same. Moreover, it is a world war that is putting to the test every notion of individual liberty, freedom of conscience, and rule of law that the West prizes. And should we lose we will see, or our grandchildren will, the erasure of all that is good in Western Civilization. We cannot afford to lose. Yet winning will have its price, too. Just as the invasion John described is ordained to change humanity into something that one of Hitler's Waffen SS would recognize and call home, so too will this war change us. Because side by side with the virtues of Western Civilization are paired vices that may destroy us: a narrow legalistic mindset, an emphasis on form over substance, and an unwillingness to do the ruthless and violent things we must if we are to survive. This list is not exhaustive. Perhaps worse than these things, however, the West has nurtured at its own breast a set of execrable, vile, treacherous and treasonous villains that seem to seek at every opportunity to do all they can to ensure its destruction. Yet there is hope. "Survival cancels out programming."
Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:08 PM
KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Klesst: I've never posted a Judas Priest video before, but I do take requests. I actually do love the Priest, and you would too if you weren't such a self loathing homo. ] That fag thinks you are my sockpuppet....
Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:55 PM
Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:40 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:14 AM
Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:34 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: So attendance estimates are at less than 100,000 people showing up (maximum estimate). Remind me again why I'm supposed to fear 0.03% of the population and their talk about how they're going to take over the country?
Sunday, August 29, 2010 6:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: So attendance estimates are at less than 100,000 people showing up (maximum estimate). Remind me again why I'm supposed to fear 0.03% of the population and their talk about how they're going to take over the country? ] http://www.buzztab.com/world/glenn-beck-rally-attendance-estimates-vary-87000-500000/ Try again, this time use a source other than the huffington post. The pool area holds 200,000. That was packed and overflowed up to the Washington monument at times. Never mind the millions that watched it on line and c-span(highest rated broadcast they ever had) Live in denial much? See, you in November boy. Let the political blood bath begin.......WHOOT WHOMP DAGGITY DOO......
Sunday, August 29, 2010 6:32 AM
Quote:to do the ruthless and violent things we must ... West has nurtured at its own breast a set of execrable, vile, treacherous and treasonous villains
Sunday, August 29, 2010 6:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: That’s scary as hell...
Sunday, August 29, 2010 6:55 AM
Quote:Beck originally intended the rally as political, where he intended to promote his next book, The Plan, in which he would outline a century-long plan to "save the country"; but, over the 2009 Christmas holidays, Beck came to the decision to re-focus it in a non-political direction: on raising awareness and funds for the charity the Special Operations Warrior Foundation, because soliciting tax-exempt funds to pay for the rally through the charity restricts political activity. The charity receives funds collected above the amount needed to pay for the rally.
Quote:A crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News reported 87,000 people attended the rally, with a margin of error of 9,000, based on aerial pictures by the company AirPhotosLive.com. The New York Post reported "an overflow crowd of 300.000 people".[50] The New York Times reported the crowd total to be closer to 300,000.[51] A preliminary Associated Press article put the total at "tens of thousands", as huge crowds on the Washington Metro disrupted service on the system. A Time Magazine article highlights the contention between the croud estiamtes, saying "No one seams to know. Glenn Beck's controversial 'Restoring Honor' rally on Saturday was bound to spark debate among media outlets. First order of contention: How many people were actually there? This isn't the first time that rally attendance estimates have caused debate. NBC News estimated "tens of thousands who stretched from the marble steps of the Lincoln Memorial to the grass of the Washington Monument", and NBC Nightly News anchor Lester Holt said "tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands". ABC News estimated "hundreds of thousands of people from around the country". Fox News wrote about "huge crowds" and "thousands in attendance returned home carrying a message of making America better". Republican Representative Michelle Bachmann said "We're not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today - because we were witnesses."
Quote:"The reflecting pool holds about 200,000 people. This field back here holds about 250–300,000 people. They are not only full here, they're full in that field, they're full behind me, and they are now across the street approaching the Washington Monument!" He later said he "heard the crowd was between 300,000 and 500,000", "if that's coming from the media, God only knows."
Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:14 AM
Quote:In the build up to the event, Beck attracted criticism, opposition, and mockery from various media personalities and writers. MSNBC's Keith Olbermann mockingly claimed he was worried about Glenn Beck's "sanity" after Beck said that he wanted to let "the spirit" speak through him at the rally. Comedy Central's Jon Stewart dubbed the rally "Beckapalooza" and "I Have A Scheme",[26] while Stephen Colbert announced he was ready to follow Beck in his "silver freedom spaceship that runs on human tears.” DO bear in mind that these are ENTERTAINERS, humorists for the most part, who poke fun at all kinds of things. And if you’re honest, you have to admit that Beck, with his grand gestures, complicated chalkboard “instructions” connecting all kinds of things, and claim that sometimes “God kicks me in the pants”, etc., is a prime target for satire. If we can't laugh at ourselves, we are lost, in my opinion.
Quote:On the internet, Jason Linkins seized on what he deemed an "insanely melodramatic video promotion of the rally, replete with Goldline scamflackery" to comedically posit that the "Glenn Beck rally will be like (the) moon landing, Wright Brothers and Rosa Parks all rolled into one massive orgasm of American history."[28] Author/activist Glenn Greenwald created a website and video entitled "Glenn Beck is Not Martin Luther King Jr.", which provided a petition featuring over 30,000 signatures the day before the rally, denouncing Beck. A.J. Calhoun, who attended the original 1963 King rally, denounced Beck for holding a "rally of right-wingers, Tea Partiers, neoconservatives, fascists, the delusional and the truly wicked, (and) the New Kluxers disguised as patriots wanting something they cannot or will not identify openly." [Overblown rhetoric] Beck biographer Alexander Zaitchik, author of the 2010 book Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and the Triumph of Ignorance, also rejected Beck's embrace of the civil rights mantle, remarking:Quote:This is the guy who has a whole history, going back in Top 40 radio, of using racist jokes, racist humor, making fun of police brutality, and with a very deep hatred for black social justice activists. Beck stood by his claim that Obama is a racist and has frequently referred to the president's initiatives – including health care – as reparations.[I find nothing untrue in that]According to Zaitchik, the purpose of the rally was not primarily to honor heroes, but was the fulfillment of Beck's long-held dream of holding an event on the National Mall. In elaborating on his "cynical" hypothesis, Zaitchik stated "I view this through a prism of his business – he's in a very competitive media world with many distractions and this will enable him to be the topic of conversation."
Quote:This is the guy who has a whole history, going back in Top 40 radio, of using racist jokes, racist humor, making fun of police brutality, and with a very deep hatred for black social justice activists. Beck stood by his claim that Obama is a racist and has frequently referred to the president's initiatives – including health care – as reparations.[I find nothing untrue in that]
Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by whozit: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Not really, I'm just finding it interesting. It's certainly a "Real World EVENT", if nothing else. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, While you're in New Orleans shoving $5 bills into the G-Sting of a male stripper Glen, Sarah and others are trying to save America from Barry and the Demorats. FYI, Al (scumbag) Sharpton is holding a tiny little rally near by, AND IT'S SO CUTE! You should send pictures of all the pelicans and fat people you've cleaned oil off of. I think you're spending all your time in strip clubs doing double shots and licking whip cream off strippers. That's pretty harsh, isn't it? She doesn't deserve any of that. She posts according to her beliefs, and she posts cleanly. Try dealing with her without insulting her.
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Not really, I'm just finding it interesting. It's certainly a "Real World EVENT", if nothing else. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, While you're in New Orleans shoving $5 bills into the G-Sting of a male stripper Glen, Sarah and others are trying to save America from Barry and the Demorats. FYI, Al (scumbag) Sharpton is holding a tiny little rally near by, AND IT'S SO CUTE! You should send pictures of all the pelicans and fat people you've cleaned oil off of. I think you're spending all your time in strip clubs doing double shots and licking whip cream off strippers.
Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:20 AM
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