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This Means War?

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
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Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:40 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I received an email today suggesting that Arizona has the Constitutional authority to wage war (presumably against Mexico?)

This is a quote from the email:

" From Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, we find these words: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

The email makes a number of interesting claims.

I'd love to hear what you all think. I'll quote the email in its entirety below. It reads PirateNewsish.

--Anthony

Quote:


Nothing in Snopes.com. I have read the specific articles and this guy is CORRECT. Our government officials need to take lessons in the Constitution..or they just choose to disregard it.


Wrong Court Ruled on Arizona Law


In a stunning development that could potentially send the nation into a Constitutional crisis, an astute attorney who is well-versed in
Constitutional law states that the ruling against the State of Arizona by Judge Susan Bolton concerning its new immigration law is illegal.

The attorney in question submitted her assertion in a special article in the Canada Free Press. Her argument states in part, "Does anyone read the U.S.
Constitution these days? American lawyers don’t read it. Federal Judge Susan R. Bolton apparently has never read it. Same goes for our illustrious
Attorney General Eric Holder.

But this lawyer has read it and she is going to show you something in Our Constitution which is as plain as the nose on your face.


"Article III, Sec. 2, clause 2 says: "In all Cases affecting Ambassadors other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be
Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction."


In other words, the Judge in the Arizona case has absolutely no Constitutional jurisdiction over the matter upon which she ruled. As the
Constitution makes abundantly clear, only the U.S. Supreme Court can issue rulings that involve a state. This means that neither Judge Bolton nor the
9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco , to which the case is being appealed, have any legal standing whatsoever to rule on the issue. Thus,
U.S. Attorney-General Eric Holder filed the federal government's lawsuit against the state of Arizona in a court that has no authority to hear the case.

In a related development, another explosive discovery was made by those who actually take the Constitution seriously. The Constitution specifically
allows an individual state to wage war against a neighboring country in the event of an invasion, should there be a dangerous delay or inaction on the
part of the federal government.

From Article I, Section 10 of the U.S. Constitution, we find these words: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

No one who is actually familiar with the crisis at the southern border can deny that Arizona is endangered by the relentless assault of lawless Mexican
invaders who ignore our laws, inundate our schools and medical facilities with unpaid bills, and even endanger the very lives of citizens with
criminal drug cartels that engage in kidnapping, murder, human trafficking, and other mayhem, including aiming missile and grenade launchers directly at
U.S. border cities from just across the Mexican border. This is every bit as much of an invasion as the nation of Iran sending in a fleet of warships to
the Port of Charleston.

The Constitution that forms the basis of the rule of law in this country says that Arizona has legal right to protect itself in the case of inaction
or delay on the part of the federal government, including waging war in its self-defense.

This, when coupled with the clear Constitutional mandate that only the Supreme Court hear cases involving the states, should be ample legal basis
for attorneys representing Arizona to go after the federal government with a vengeance.

Governor Jan Brewer and the stalwart members of the Arizona legislature have ample legal reason to stand firm against the illegal bullying of an
arrogant, lawless federal government. And there are established procedures by which Federal Judge Susan R. Bolton can be removed from her position as a result of her violating her oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution for the United States of America ..

PRAY for AMERICA



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Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I couldn't bear to read the e-mail, after what you described. It would be disasterous, but the cynical side of me thinks "how funny!" I can't imagine anyone takes it seriously, because Arizona would really pay the price, on BOTH sides of the border, if they tried it!

Okay, so I read it. Only made me shake my head more. Apparently the 'war' they're talking about is against the fed, as well as Mexico. Tempted to think "Let 'em secede, good riddance to bad rubbish" but i know that's not fair to the citizens of Arizona.

Nonetheless "inundate our schools and medical facilities with unpaid bills" as part of an argument to go to war? Eeep!

ETA: How IS Arizona doing these days, I wonder, what with boycotts and Hispanics leaving or afraid to set foot outside? I wonder if their economy has "improved"?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:56 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Well, unemployment is still high here, despite the crackdown on illegals. They recently implemented a tax on groceries to fill the city revenue gap.

Nothing says "Screw the Poor" like a tax on food, eh?

I guess time will tell.

--Anthony


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Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:06 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Here's some info about our food tax:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/02/03/20100203foodtax0203.
html


--Anthony


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Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


A FOOD TAX?!?! My gawd, that is incredible! I find that every bit as noxious as the "show me your papers or I'll toss you in jail until you can prove you're a citizen"!

Amazing...

Arizona: Cutting it's own throat through racism and ignorance.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:34 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


War ?

Seems this will be Obama's " October Surprise ", whether it be with Arizona or Iran.

And yes, I think Obama would side w/ Mexico, and join the fight AGAINST AZ, if it came right down to it.

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Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:26 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Dude, you ever considered, yanno.. moving away ?

Seriously, I hightailed it from Baltimore the instant I had the means, and that same kind of bullshit and implied localist racism* in Tex-ASS, butt end of the united states, sent me packing off to Michigan somewhat later.

*Yeah, they use "Yankee" with the same tone as a racial slur, and I had a clerk refuse to ring up purchases for me one cause I was "A Damn Yankee", regardless of the facts that...

A: I was born and raised south of the mason dixon line.
B: The only reason Maryland *didn't* secede is that Lincoln, in open defiance of the Constitution, had the legislature arrested and incarcerated to prevent it!

The despot's heel is on thy shore,
Maryland!*
His torch is at thy temple door,
Maryland!
Avenge the patriotic gore
That flecked the streets of Baltimore,
And be the battle queen of yore,
Maryland! My Maryland!

II

Hark to an exiled son's appeal,
Maryland!
My mother State! to thee I kneel,
Maryland!
For life and death, for woe and weal,
Thy peerless chivalry reveal,
And gird thy beauteous limbs with steel,
Maryland! My Maryland!

III

Thou wilt not cower in the dust,
Maryland!
Thy beaming sword shall never rust,
Maryland!
Remember Carroll's sacred trust,
Remember Howard's warlike thrust,-
And all thy slumberers with the just,
Maryland! My Maryland!

IV

Come! 'tis the red dawn of the day,
Maryland!
Come with thy panoplied array,
Maryland!
With Ringgold's spirit for the fray,
With Watson's blood at Monterey,
With fearless Lowe and dashing May,
Maryland! My Maryland!

V

Come! for thy shield is bright and strong,
Maryland!
Come! for thy dalliance does thee wrong,
Maryland!
Come to thine own anointed throng,
Stalking with Liberty along,
And chaunt thy dauntless slogan song,
Maryland! My Maryland!

VI

Dear Mother! burst the tyrant's chain,
Maryland!
Virginia should not call in vain,
Maryland!
She meets her sisters on the plain-
"Sic semper!" 'tis the proud refrain
That baffles minions back amain,
Arise in majesty again,
Maryland! My Maryland!

VII

I see the blush upon thy cheek,
Maryland!
For thou wast ever bravely meek,
Maryland!
But lo! there surges forth a shriek,
From hill to hill, from creek to creek-
Potomac calls to Chesapeake,
Maryland! My Maryland!

VIII

Thou wilt not yield the Vandal toll,
Maryland!
Thou wilt not crook to his control,
Maryland!
Better the fire upon thee roll,
Better the blade, the shot, the bowl,
Than crucifixion of the soul,
Maryland! My Maryland!

IX

I hear the distant thunder-hum,
Maryland!
The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum,
Maryland!
She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb-
Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!


That is STILL the State Song, and yes, they mean ole "honest" abe and his bluesuited goons.

C: Not to mention the whole concept of such discrimination is ludicrous and malicious.
(Only reason I really took offense at the Yankee crack was that it's like calling a pastyfaced cracker like me the N-word, seriously, WTF?!)

Anyhow, you ever considered living somewhere maybe not so full of dickheads ?

Just sayin.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:49 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


The Declaration of Independence says AZ can wage war against USA.

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