[quote]In response to a proposed mosque blocks from ground zero, controversial televangelist Bill Keller announced on Tuesday that he plans to open a Chr..."/>
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Wednesday, September 1, 2010 9:47 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:In response to a proposed mosque blocks from ground zero, controversial televangelist Bill Keller announced on Tuesday that he plans to open a Christian center nearby. The Christian center will serve to "combat this new evil being constructed near ground zero" and "bring people the Truth of God's Word and the love and hope of Jesus Christ," the fire-and-brimstone preacher states. For years, Keller has been outspoken in his criticism of Islam, calling the religion "a 1400-year-old lie from hell" that was advanced through violence, hatred and death. Such statements led to the cancellation of his nightly TV program on a CBS-owned station in Tampa, Fla. He also recorded a video addressed to Osama Bin Laden in 2006, urging him to "renounce the lies of Islam" and come to faith in Christ. Keller paints the Christian center as essentially the antithesis of the Islamic center. "We will combat the lies of this world and Islam with the truth. We will combat the hatred of this world and Islam with love. We will combat the violence of this world and Islam with peace. Finally, we will combat eternal death this world and Islam brings with life everlasting!!!" Julie Clawson, author of Everyday Justice: The Global Impact of Our Daily Choices, wrote in Sojourners magazine that it is "pure fear of the other" that is sparking some of the opposition. And she sees Christians spewing more hate than love and more judgment than forgiveness. "[E]ven in the church we daily judge Muslims by the actions of a few of its members," she wrote. "So while we applaud the Amish women for their acts of forgiveness, the fear and hatred sparked by the events of 9/11 still inform the average American’s opinion of Muslims. So to the protesters, the building of a Muslim center and mosque so near the site of Ground Zero is just another act of violence – a threat to American supremacy. There is no forgiveness of the terrorists and the grudge against them is extended to all Muslims. "It is heartbreaking knowing that many of the protesters are there claiming to represent Jesus while they scream their message of hate."
Quote:Two decades ago, Keller served several years in federal prison for insider trading, an experience that he said recommitted him to evangelical Christianity.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 9:58 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:27 AM
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Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:48 AM
HERO
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: I can think of no rational argument against this man putting up a building if he has the means to do so.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:52 AM
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 12:32 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 12:45 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 12:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: No, it's a community center. By definition, it's not a mosque.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 1:12 PM
CUDA77
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 1:30 PM
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 1:34 PM
HKCAVALIER
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 2:16 PM
Quote: From Merriam-Webster Online: mosque noun \ˈmäsk\ Definition of MOSQUE : a building used for public worship by Muslims
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 2:19 PM
Quote:It's a mosque, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a complete and utter moron.
Quote:Women’s Bible Study @ Francis Family YMCA Mondays 6:30pm Women’s Bible Study @ Fort Meigs YMCA Tuesdays 7:00pm Holy Yoga & Bible Study @ Fort Meigs YMCA Wednesdays 10:15-11:45am Christianity Explored @ Fort Meigs YMCA Wednesdays 7-8:30pm starting 9-16-09 through 12-16-09 refreshments served. Fall study & discussion of The Reason for God by Tim Keller, hosted by Stonebridge Evangelical Presbyterian Church. Questions-visit www.stonebridge-epc.org or call the church @ 419-872-8556. Read the Bible in 90 days @ Fort Meigs YMCA Adventure Center, 210 E. Boundary, Perrysburg. Wednesdays 7-8pm starting Jan 13. www.biblein90days.org. Women’s Bible Study @ Eastern Community YMCA Thursdays 12pm lunch provided Men’s Bible Study @ Fort Meigs YMCA Thursdays 6:30am Couples Bible Study @ Francis Family YMCA alternating Fridays (12-4-09) 6:30pm
Quote: There is now a regular Thursday morning Share and Prayer at the Norwalk YMCA, 370 West Avenue in Norwalk, CT. All are invited to meet each Thursday morning for a time of sharing and prayer. Meetings are held in the Norwalk YMCA Conference Center, which is on the first floor of the grey (middle) building of the north (Maple Ave) Parking lot.
Quote: World YMCA / YWCA Week of Prayer and World Fellowship, 9-15th Nov.08 The Inaugural Service of the YMCA / YWCA Week of Prayer celebrations was held on Sunday the 9th November 2008 at 8.00 a.m. at YWCA Madras. Rev. Dr. J. Samuel Sudhakar, Chairman, Religious Activities Committee, YMCA Madras offered the opening prayer. Special songs were rendered by members of Maranatha Ministries and Ms. Megha Jacob. Bible portion were read by Ms. Joy Pandian, Rev. Deborah Premraj, Associate Pastor, St. Georges Cathedral, delivered the Lord's Message. Intercessory prayer was conducted by Ms. Shirley Abraham, General Secretary, YWCA Madras. The service concluded with prayer and benediction by Rev. Deborah Premraj, Associate Pastor, St. Georges Cathedral.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 2:25 PM
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KANEMAN
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: No, it's a community center. By definition, it's not a mosque. AURaptor's Greatest Hits: Friday, May 28, 2010 - 20:32 To AnthonyT: Go fuck yourself. On this matter, make no mistake. I want you to go fuck yourself long and hard, as well as anyone who agrees with you. I got no use for you. Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama: Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar. Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit. ... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 2:38 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Hey, that also means any office, home or other building within which Muslims pray has to be a "mosque".
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Wednesday, September 1, 2010 4:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Rappy, you saying "End of discussion" really doesn't preclude anyone else from speaking. I know that's something you Republicans have never been able to wrap your tiny little brains around.
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FREMDFIRMA
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:20 PM
DMAANLILEILTT
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:32 PM
CATPIRATE
Wednesday, September 1, 2010 11:17 PM
Thursday, September 2, 2010 1:40 AM
PENGUIN
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: If they didn't wanna all be tarred with the same brush, then maybe they shouldn't present themselves as a unified wall of stupid all spouting the exact same idiotic talking points cribbed verbatim from the same goddamn morons winding them up to use their stupidity for nefarious purposes, neh ?
Thursday, September 2, 2010 3:35 AM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I'm not advocating stopping him, just making a comment on the state of so-called Christianity in our country today.
Thursday, September 2, 2010 8:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: [B“The YMCA, Young Men's Christian Association, is a Voluntary, International, Christian, ecumenical movement that strives to reflect the cultural identity of the Nation in which it exists and serves. The YMCA also offers a variety of programmes like prayer meetings, religious studies, etc. for the spiritual growth of the young people.”
Thursday, September 2, 2010 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You have no case. End of discussion.
Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:09 AM
Quote:If they didn't wanna all be tarred with the same brush, then maybe they shouldn't present themselves as a unified wall of stupid all spouting the exact same idiotic talking points cribbed verbatim from the same goddamn morons winding them up to use their stupidity for nefarious purposes, neh ?
Quote:W cannot building this mosque and give the terrorists an erection! ...We must build the mosque or the terrorists will get an...haterection! ... But whether we build it or not, we should not talk about it, because if they hear us talk about it, they will at least become aroused... apparently the jihadists are the only ones in this fucking thing that can’t lose! It doesn’t matter what we do... See, one side says our weakness emboldens jihadists, the other side says our strength embitters jihadists. How about we try a new system, where we don’t give a fuck about what they think?
Quote:Research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning, highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. We also know that authoritarian followers lead the league in being dogmatic. When their leaders set their opinions for them, those opinions are set in stone. Experiments show that nothing (aside from their authorities) can convince them they are wrong. If overwhelmed by logic and evidence, they simply “castle” into dogmatism. This is probably because they don‟t really know why they believe what they believe. They didn‟t figure it out for themselves; they Xeroxed what their authorities said. Once dogmatism turns out the lights, you might as well close up shop as a civilization and pull up the covers as a sentient life form. You get nowhere with unquestioning certainty. It’s thinking with your mind wide shut. But that would not faze most fundamentalists, because they know that their beliefs will get them exactly where they want to go. They seemingly have a lot of hostility boiling away inside them that their authorities can easily unleash. Chronically frightened authoritarian followers, looking for someone to attack because fighting is one of the things people do when they are afraid, are particularly likely to do so when they can find a moral justification for their hostility. Authoritarian followers feel empowered to isolate and segregate, to humiliate, to persecute, because in their heads they can almost hear the loudspeakers announcing, “Now batting for God’s team, his designated hitter, (their name).”
Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:11 AM
Thursday, September 2, 2010 9:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Hero, I appreciate the change in your signature--I usually don't notice it, but
Thursday, September 2, 2010 11:47 AM
Quote:I don't think its a good idea...but my opinion does not matter any more then anybody else's does...its a free frakking country
Thursday, September 2, 2010 12:38 PM
Quote:People are easily led, and easily incited.
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