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France Bans Burqa

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Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:20 PM

CATPIRATE


Well it's about time. If the Effiel Tower got knocked down I wonder if the French would like a mosque there. I know that big poodle kisser Bridget Bardot got blasted for her tude against the rag heads. She was a big liberal too. Can't say the truth anymore or the muslims will be after your head. Just ask the Pope.

http://www.euractiv.com/en/culture/france-bans-burqa-evacuates-eiffel-
tower-news-497786


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Sunday, September 19, 2010 3:09 AM

AURAPTOR

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France is more focused on equality than freedom. Both sound great, but I'd prefer freedom first.

I don't understand the reasons behind the banning, but that's for France to explain. As for me, I think it's excessive.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Sunday, September 19, 2010 3:27 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

France is more focused on equality than freedom. Both sound great, but I'd prefer freedom first.

I don't understand the reasons behind the banning, but that's for France to explain. As for me, I think it's excessive.




I agree with you in principle, yet full burqas DO have the effect of concealing identity, and in many places, concealing identity in a public place is illegal due to the potential robbery aspect. So, my take on is... whatever.


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Sunday, September 19, 2010 3:37 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I've not read up on the actual back story as to why the burqa and such attire were banned. I understand the 'security' aspect of it, but it's my understanding that the primary issue was because it WAS religious , and not because of robbery or safety concerns.

I mean, we have laws forbidding people to wear masks, say while walking into a bank, but as far as France is concerned, the ban appears to be aimed specifically at religious attire.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Sunday, September 19, 2010 3:46 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

we have laws forbidding people to wear masks, say while walking into a bank, but as far as France is concerned, the ban appears to be aimed specifically at religious attire.



Oh, definitely it's a religious thing. I just mean that the concealing identity aspect could be used as a technicality to enact a burqa ban in most any public place, anywhere.

I was making a movie when I was 15 that involved alien masks, and a cop pulled over to tell us that it was illegal to wear masks in public. Now, HE was using that technicality to relieve his boredom.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, September 19, 2010 8:34 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


On that subject, it's been coming for quite some time, so it's not really news. I was curious as to why as well, so I went looking for some background:
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It will be now sent immediately to France's Constitutional Council watchdog, which has a month to confirm its legality.

Another challenge is possible at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, where decisions are binding.

There are estimated to be only about 2,000 women wearing the full veil in France.

The bill makes it illegal to wear garments such as the niqab or burka, which incorporate a full-face veil, anywhere in public.

It envisages fines of 150 euros (£119) for women who break the law and 30,000 euros and a one-year jail term for men who force their wives to wear the burka.

The niqab and burka are widely seen in France as threats to women's rights and the secular nature of the state.

The bill is also seen as a touchstone for the Mr Sarkozy administration's policy of integration. It is grappling with disaffected immigrant communities as it seeks to prevent a repeat of the mass unrest of 2005 on run-down French housing estates.

In March, the Council of State, France's highest administrative body, warned that the law could be found unconstitutional.

"A complete ban on the covering of the face would violate the rights to freedom of expression and religion of those women who wear the burqa or the niqab in public as an expression of their identity or beliefs," said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty International's expert on discrimination in Europe.

And here is some more about why it's an issue:
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"Why should we find ourselves returning to medieval traditions?" asks Andre Gerin, the Communist member of parliament who chaired the parliamentary commission.

"To me, the full veil, the covered face, it's a woman in a portable coffin." It was Mr Gerin who first started speaking openly about banning the veil when, as mayor of a suburb of Lyon, he says he noticed more and more women wearing it. And he is convinced they are doing it at the behest of what he calls fundamentalists. "These women are controlled," the MP says.

Kenza Drider scoffs at any such notion. Relaxing on a bench in the park in Avignon, the mother of four young children explains how she bought her niqab nearly 11 years ago and did not tell her husband until she put it on to go out shopping with him one day.

"He knew very well it wasn't up to him whether I went out like that," she says, recalling that he merely said "OK, let's go", and she has worn the niqab ever since. And she says that for women who wear the niqab in France, the majority of them French-born and many of them converts to Islam, "it's a personal decision, it's their freedom" to do as they wish.

Secular tradition

But the arguments against the niqab are not just based on feminism and the status of women.

The niqab, says leading feminist philosopher Elizabeth Badinter "is totally contrary to the three principles of the French Republic". Those principles - liberty, equality, fraternity - can be seen written or carved on the front of every French town hall. By hiding your face, Mrs Badinter explains as she sips a small black coffee in her elegant apartment in Paris, you breach the principle of equality. "She who hides her face is in a position superior to mine," she says. "She sees me but she refuses to reciprocate."

Then there is the strongly guarded idea of secularism in France, the absolute separation of religion and the state rooted in the 1789 revolution and enshrined in a century-old law. "You can have whatever religion you wish," says Mrs Badinter, "but it stays in the private sphere." The problem is that some French Muslims see that not only as a way of dismissing their religion but also of ignoring their presence in France.

For the foreigners who come to France, according to Kenza Drider, "it's not that they don't want to integrate, it's that the state doesn't want to integrate them - there's a big difference". She, like many Muslims, accuses the government of failing to address the social and economic problems the newcomers face.

And she has a message for the members of parliament who want to stop her wearing her veil in certain public places. She will not comply. "The MPs who talk about liberty, equality and fraternity don't really understand the French Republic," she says back at her apartment in Avignon where, with only family and other women present, she removes the niqab and sets about making dinner for her children.

"Liberty means freedom of conscience, of expression," she says. "Equality means not judging the foreigner and fraternity means the support of French people for a French citizen."

It seems pretty obvious to me that the PUBLIC reasons aren't about "Muslims taking over" or any such thing, nor are the reasons of women who want to wear it. Two thousand women does not to me an invsion make. Oh, I know there will be cries of "But they're procreating! They're gonna overrun us!", but I dismiss those as mere reflections of the anti-Muslim feelings and Islamaphobia currently in our country (and elsewhere).


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, September 19, 2010 9:15 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I dismiss those as mere reflections of the anti-Muslim feelings and Islamaphobia currently in our country (and elsewhere).


Holy crap! Niki- I think we've finally found a place where we don't see compeltely eye to eye!!!

I can't give a rat's butt about "protecting" the "freedom" of ancient traditions of any country or era that were designed fundamentally to control women while relieving men of the responsibility of controlling THEMSELVES.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, October 17, 2021 3:38 PM

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Saturday, November 6, 2021 7:24 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


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Brigitte Bardot is in trouble again
She's old now and was a French hollywood style 'sex symbol' of the 1950s and 60s often referred to by her initials B.B
the young Jane Fonda probably modeled some of herself on the French style.
I've never watched a full film of hers but I have seen clips maybe from La Verite? the truth? her Bonnie and Clyde music video film, Viva Maria!



fter retiring, she became an animal rights activist. She has been a controversial political figure, having been fined five times for inciting racial hatred when she criticised immigration and Islam in France. She is married to Bernard d'Ormale, a former adviser to Marine Le Pen, France's main far-right political leader.



Film legend Brigitte Bardot is fined £17,000 for calling islanders on La Reunion 'degenerate savages' in diatribe over their treatment of animals

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10165937/Brigitte-Bardot-fine
d-calling-islanders-La-Reunion-savages-treatment-animals.html


Brigitte Bardot Is Handed Her Sixth Fine for “Inciting Racial Hatred”

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/11/brigitte-bardot-fined-for-inc
iting-racial-hatred


"Two years after writing an open letter where she called residents of Réunion island, a French territory in the Indian Ocean, “degenerate savages,” French actor Brigitte Bardot has been fined 20,000 euros, about $23,000, by a French court for “inciting racial hatred,” according to the New York Post. Her spokesperson, Bruno Jacquelin, was also fined for his role in disseminating her letter to news organizations, the Post added, citing a report from report from Le Figaro."

Quote:



"In the 2019 letter, Bardot claimed that the Réunionese slaughtered goats inhumanely, calling them “natives [who] have kept their savage genes” and “a degenerate population still soaked in barbarous ancestral traditions” that evoke the “cannibalism of past centuries,” according to Agence France-Presse."




Europe rights body pulls pro-hijab campaign after outcry in France
https://www.firstpost.com/world/europe-rights-body-pulls-pro-hijab-cam
paign-after-outcry-in-france-10109541.html

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Saturday, November 6, 2021 9:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


A culture is defined by, among other things, what it see as "right" and "wrong" behavior.

In some countries, it's right to stone a woman to death for having committed the unforgivable sin of being raped.

Here, not so much.

We may disagree with what Afghanistan or France or China decree, but those are THEIR countries. And if a country can't define for itself what is acceptable and what isn't, then it isn't going to last very long and will disintegrate.

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Saturday, November 6, 2021 9:43 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BTW, a hijab is a headscarf. Many women like to wear headscarves in cold weather. I myself have a silk one that I could arrange, if I chose, to cover my hair, ind it would be called a hijab.

Back in the day, if you were a Catholic female you wore a head cover to go to church, if only a small lace cap, to indicate modesty. But a man took his hat off to demonstrate humility.

And the habits the nuns wore was very close to a niqab. They still wear something like today





France chooses to resolve that conflict by being secular. Italy, for example, could simply allow Catholic religious symbols and deny other religions. We opt for religious freedom (unless practices require activity that contravenes criminal law, like human sacrifice or slavery.)

But with everyone now required to wear a mask to go anywhere, you'd have a helluva time making a security argument against the burqa/niqab.



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Sunday, November 7, 2021 1:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I've seen more Muslim women in my life with head coverings than Christian.

The Christians tend to keep the Halloween costumes relegated to staff and usually on campus.

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Sunday, November 7, 2021 3:53 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


True.

All I'm saying is, it's entirely a nation's right to ban one thing and allow the equivalent. Italy could declare itself a Catholic nation, just like Israel has declared itself a Jewish state and other nations have declared themselves Muslim states.

They need not follow our precepts, just as we not need follow theirs. So we can banthe niqab (for example) and require "face coverings" ... nobody said we can't be arbitrary.

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Sunday, November 7, 2021 5:42 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


The Christians tend to keep the Halloween costumes relegated to staff and usually on campus.




The muslim Sharia Law and islamist madness could all be classed as a 'cult' rather than a religion, it is a Social Political Jihadist system, the book calls for terror and the destruction of the West before the USA was even born, I encourage anyone who has seen attacks in their country to study this religious terror in their so caleld holy books, these books have been translated into many languages, there are also ex-Muslim Atheists who speak out against the religion even while under threat of death, it is a lot more than a simple religion.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

We may disagree with what Afghanistan or France or China decree, but those are THEIR countries. And if a country can't define for itself what is acceptable and what isn't, then it isn't going to last very long and will disintegrate.





The thing to understand about the French is it is simply secularism, Christians get fined and punished also

The French push the ideas of secularism but that may not be working anymmore with the growth of islamism and terror attacks. Part of what is keeping France together or was keeping France together, is everyone is accepting the idea that France said to have a brotherhood, they are sisters and all part of an equal fraternity, the religions are seen as troublesome or 'divisive' they come second place after the unity of the people and state,
I guess in some ways their Secular State its like Fiji, Philippines, Turkey, the Samoan system, India, Cuba, Sweden, Togo, Kazakhstan, the USSR and other places that push the idea of a Secular State, their government statements stronger than Canada's or Malaysia or Brazilian Ambiguous semi-Atheist statements, in France it often pushes a total seperation of State and Churches / Temples, worship is done at private place or at home and not supported by the State unless its a historical culture icon say like 'Notre-Dame de Paris' which strangely enough almost burnt to the ground in a fireball recently.

Secularism seems to work for a while under some other zealot comes along and starts shouting louder.

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Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


The Christians tend to keep the Halloween costumes relegated to staff and usually on campus.




The muslim Sharia Law and islamist madness could all be classed as a 'cult' rather than a religion, it is a Social Political Jihadist system, the book calls for terror and the destruction of the West before the USA was even born, I encourage anyone who has seen attacks in their country to study this religious terror in their so caleld holy books, these books have been translated into many languages, there are also ex-Muslim Atheists who speak out against the religion even while under threat of death, it is a lot more than a simple religion.



At the end of the day all Religion is a Cult.

The Muslims just happen to be the most dangerous of the bunch worldwide right now.

Quote:

Secularism seems to work for a while under some other zealot comes along and starts shouting louder.



Or until America kills the secular leader(s) and allows the cultists to take over.

Muslims would be nothing right now if it weren't for our government meddling.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Or until America kills the secular leader(s) and allows the cultists to take over.



There is truth to this both Carter and Reagan/BushSnr hated the growth of socialism in Afghanistan and wanted to see power given to mohammedan hijackers.

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Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



France Bans Burqa

https://humsci.stanford.edu/feature/stanford-scholars-report-french-he
adscarf-ban-adversely-impacts-muslim-girls

The French law banned the use of religious signs and garments in primary and secondary public schools in France — large Christian crosses, Sikh turbans, and Jewish yarmulkes were included in the ban ...

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Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
but I'd prefer freedom first.






USA could have won that war...but...This is why the failed lefty globalists why 'Murica and a bunch of dumbass Neocon rednecks who pushed Free-DUMBS utterly failed in Asskcrackistan

Having some Mosque rat Wailing and Screeching out their war cries in Arabic, Blasting out that Loud wailing cry noise above 120 dB it is not freedom... harassing women, making threats to cartoonists, saying Death to America or Die Infidels is not freedom

What of the Freedom not to be forced to listen to islamic noises, the freedom NOT to hear the terroristic pedophile shit that is islam, what of the freedom not to listen to their hacking moaning spit arabic type noises and their ugly chicken scratch style writing and their Sharia Law Patrols, a 'culture' where they stone people in Dearborn or pelt them with bottles

In fact I would argue that islam is not a 'religion' but an invasive subversive social system that had its demon cancerous influence spread out from Mecca and send its toxin across much of the world, the USA fails to defeat islam because each time it feeds it more and props it up.

Not all muslims will be terrorists
but if some camel jackers and islamists and mohammedans who pray to a dead 1400 yr old warmonger pedophile get offended by French Law the So be it

America failed TOTALLY
because it spent time, blood and treasure to create a 2004 Constitution of a shithole Country Asscrackistan, then wasted American lives trying to defend a shit constitution that put a tale Moongod named Al-Lah and the Sharia Law of the Quran or Koranimal extremist above everyone else

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