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Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:17 PM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:25 PM
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:30 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:34 PM
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:42 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Posted by Wulfenstar: "As much as I'd like to say we are in need of the leadership and greatness of Ronaldus Magnus, I'm almost to the point of saying..we're simply not worthy." Hell with that. I was not even a teenager when he said these things. But, I grew up, and learned these tenants. The ideals and cause of our people, the freedoms and hopes that we hold dear.. are not transitional. They are pieces of gold, to be passed on and down, thru the generations.
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:38 PM
DREAMTROVE
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:54 PM
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:10 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Thanks, DT. One tries. :)
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Thanks, DT. One tries. :) Funny & sad that anyone can vote, eh? Pundants especially. The laughing Chrisisall
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:31 PM
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: "As much as I'd like to say we are in need of the leadership and greatness of Ronaldus Magnus, I'm almost to the point of saying..we're simply not worthy." Hell with that. I was not even a teenager when he said these things. But, I grew up, and learned these tenets (Edited for smart-asses). The ideals and cause of our people, the freedoms and hopes that we hold dear.. are not transitional. They are pieces of gold, to be passed on and down, thru the generations.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:53 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:05 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: As much as I'd like to say we are in need of the leadership and greatness of Ronaldus Magnus, I'm almost to the point of saying..we're simply not worthy.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:30 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:01 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:07 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:16 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:21 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:You're not worthy of a President who lies? You're not worthy of a President who gives weapons to our enemies, negotiates with terrorists, operates an illegal weapons/drugs/money-laundering ring out of the basement of the Pentagon? You're not worthy of another banking collapse and scandal? You're not worthy of a President with incredibly racist policies?
Quote:From ‘Landslide – The Unmaking of the President 1984-1988,’ by Jane Mayer & Doyle McManus (Houghton Mifflin, 1988: “[Reagan’s] aides went to great lengths to conceal potentially embarrassing quirks. They were secretive about such matters as the president’s and his daughter Maureen’s apparently sincere belief that a ghost haunted the Lincoln Bedroom (Maureen claimed it had a ‘red aura’), the president’s assertion that he had seen a flying saucer, and his acquiescence to Mrs. Reagan’s reliance on astrology to determine his schedule.”
Quote:Missing from almost all discussion of America’s dizzying rate of unemployment is the brute fact that hourly wages of people with jobs have been dropping, adjusted for inflation. In other words, Americans are keeping their jobs or finding new ones only by accepting lower wages. Meanwhile, a much smaller group of Americans’ earnings are back in the stratosphere: Wall Street traders and executives, hedge-fund and private-equity fund managers, and top corporate executives. America’s median wage, adjusted for inflation, has barely budged for decades. Between 2000 and 2007 it actually dropped. Under these circumstances the only way the middle class could boost its purchasing power was to borrow, as it did with gusto. As housing prices rose, Americans turned their homes into ATMs. when earnings accumulate at the top, people at the top invest their wealth in whatever assets seem most likely to attract other big investors. This causes the prices of certain assets—commodities, stocks, dot-coms or real estate—to become wildly inflated. Such speculative bubbles eventually burst, leaving behind mountains of near-worthless collateral. .............. Reaganomics, VooDoo Economics, Trickle Down Economics, Black Tuesday - the Gipper's Legacy. It was "because Reagan lowered taxes" massively for the wealthy, nearly spent the nation into oblivion pursuing an insane Arms Race & changed America from the world's biggest lender into a huge debtor, that killed the beast. Reagan began the orgy of borrowing to feed a gluttonous, bloated, Military Industrial Complex. Yes, we can "blame Reagan" for throwing gas on the fire of Borrowing Our Way Out of Debt that became the core value of the NeoCon Revolution that worshipped him. Reagan was instrumental in begining the rout of America's middle class that ultimately lead to the stagnation & retreat of the average incomes we see today. Even "The income of college-educated younger people, adjusted for inflation, has been in decline since 2000." according to the new issue of 'Smithsonian'. It's said that over 75% of the wealthy generated this decade was scarfed up by the top 10%. Reagan was the Poster Boy for Living Beyond Your Means & Union Busting. Conservatives have Reagan's Legacy tied around their necks.
Quote:With his superficially sunny disposition - and a ruthless political strategy of exploiting white-male resentments - Reagan convinced millions of Americans that the threats they faced were: African-American welfare queens, Central American leftists, a rapidly expanding Evil Empire based in Moscow, and the do-good federal government. With his superficially sunny disposition - and a ruthless political strategy of exploiting white-male resentments - Reagan convinced millions of Americans that the threats they faced were: African-American welfare queens, Central American leftists, a rapidly expanding Evil Empire based in Moscow, and the do-good federal government. The Cold War was won well before Reagan arrived in the White House. Indeed, in the 1970s, it was a common perception in the U.S. intelligence community that the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union was winding down, in large part because the Soviet economic model had failed in the technological race with the West. That was the view of many Kremlinologists in the CIA's analytical division. Also, I was told by a senior CIA's operations official that some of the CIA's best spies inside the Soviet hierarchy supported the view that the Soviet Union was headed toward collapse, not surging toward world supremacy, as Reagan and his foreign policy team insisted in the early 1980s. The CIA analysis was the basis for the détente that was launched by Nixon and Ford, essentially seeking a negotiated solution to the most dangerous remaining aspects of the Cold War. Though the Afghan covert operation originated with Cold Warriors in the Carter administration, especially national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, the war was dramatically ramped up under Reagan, who traded U.S. acquiescence toward Pakistan's nuclear bomb for its help in shipping sophisticated weapons to the Afghan jihadists (including a young Saudi named Osama bin Laden). While Reagan's acolytes cite the Soviet defeat in Afghanistan as decisive in "winning the Cold War," the counter-argument is that Moscow was already in disarray - and while failure in Afghanistan may have sped the Soviet Union's final collapse - it also created twin dangers for the future of the world: the rise of al-Qaeda terrorism and the nuclear bomb in the hands of Pakistan's unstable Islamic Republic. Trade-offs elsewhere in the world also damaged long-term U.S. interests. In Latin America, for instance, Reagan's brutal strategy of arming right-wing militaries to crush peasant, student and labor uprisings left the region with a legacy of anti-Americanism that is now resurfacing in the emergence of populist leftist governments. In Nicaragua, for instance, Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega (whom Reagan once denounced as a "dictator in designer glasses") is now back in power. In El Salvador, the leftist FMLN won the latest elections. Indeed, across the region, hostility to Washington is now the rule, creating openings for China, Iran, Cuba and other American rivals. In the early 1980s, Reagan also credentialed a young generation of neocon intellectuals, who pioneered a concept called "perception management," the shaping of how Americans saw, understood and were frightened by threats from abroad. Many honest reporters saw their careers damaged when they resisted the lies and distortions of the Reagan administration. Likewise, U.S. intelligence analysts were purged when they refused to bend to the propaganda demands from above. To marginalize dissent, Reagan and his subordinates stoked anger toward anyone who challenged the era's feel-good optimism. Skeptics were not just honorable critics, they were un-American defeatists or - in Jeane Kirkpatrick's memorable attack line - they would "blame America first." Under Reagan, a right-wing infrastructure also took shape, linking media outlets (magazines, newspapers, books, etc.) with well-financed think tanks that churned out endless op-eds and research papers. Plus, there were attack groups that went after mainstream journalists who dared disclose information that poked holes in Reagan's propaganda themes. In effect, Reagan's team created a faux reality for the American public. Civil wars in Central America between impoverished peasants and wealthy oligarchs became East-West showdowns. U.S.-backed insurgents in Nicaragua, Angola and Afghanistan were transformed from corrupt, brutal (often drug-tainted) thugs into noble "freedom-fighters." With the Iran-Contra scandal, Reagan also revived Richard Nixon's theory of an imperial presidency that could ignore the nation's laws and evade accountability through criminal cover-ups. That behavior also would rear its head again in the war crimes of George W. Bush. The American Dream also dimmed during Reagan's tenure. While he played the role of the nation's kindly grandfather, his operatives divided the American people, using "wedge issues" to deepen grievances especially of white men who were encouraged to see themselves as victims of "reverse discrimination" and "political correctness." Yet even as working-class white men were rallying to the Republican banner (as so-called "Reagan Democrats"), their economic interests were being savaged. Unions were broken and marginalized; "free trade" policies shipped manufacturing jobs abroad; old neighborhoods were decaying; drug use among the young was soaring. Meanwhile, unprecedented greed was unleashed on Wall Street, fraying old-fashioned bonds between company owners and employees. Before Reagan, corporate CEOs earned less than 50 times the salary of an average worker. By the end of the Reagan-Bush-I administrations in 1993, the average CEO salary was more than 100 times that of a typical worker. (At the end of the Bush-II administration, that CEO-salary figure was more than 250 times that of an average worker.) Many other trends set during the Reagan era continued to corrode the U.S. political process in the years after Reagan left office. After 9/11, for instance, the neocons reemerged as a dominant force, reprising their "perception management" tactics, depicting the "war on terror" - like the last days of the Cold War - as a terrifying conflict between good and evil. The hyping of the Islamic threat mirrored the neocons' exaggerated depiction of the Soviet menace in the 1980s - and again the propaganda strategy worked. Many Americans let their emotions run wild, from the hunger for revenge after 9/11 to the war fever over invading Iraq. Arguably, the descent into this dark fantasyland - that Ronald Reagan began in the early 1980s - reached its nadir in the flag-waving early days of the Iraq War. Only gradually did reality begin to reassert itself as the death toll mounted in Iraq and the Katrina disaster reminded Americans why they needed an effective government. Still, the disasters - set in motion by Ronald Reagan - continued to roll in. Bush's Reagan-esque tax cuts for the rich blew another huge hole in the federal budget and the Reagan-esque anti-regulatory fervor led to a massive financial meltdown that threw the nation into economic chaos. Despite the grievous harm that Reagan's presidency inflicted on the American Republic and the American people, it may take many more years before a historian has the guts to put this deformed era into a truthful perspective.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:45 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: I put it up for those younger than I who didn't live through the reign of the guy we called Ray-Guns
Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:19 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: ------------------------------------------------ Wow Kwick, I didn't realize you hated Obama so much.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: I read what you write. I just know the source and know the spin.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:04 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: As time goes by, I realize most of the bad of Reagan came from Bush, Cheney and Rummy, and even Wolfowitz and Perle, acting behind the scenes.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:23 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: I read what you write. I just know the source and know the spin.Yup, just like I said, "go ahead and post something stupid that is nothing more than ." You say you read what I wrote; an easy way of not admitting you read the facts I POSTED. You don’t like the source, so nothing there can possibly be true. Then show me some FACTS otherwise.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Reagan was a good man in many ways, but then that could be said of many Presidents who people demonize and want to believe are evil. For me, it's the SYSTEM that's evil, the way it puts power in a few hands and the way it lets selfish people manipulate the government.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:51 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:52 AM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:02 PM
Quote:The judicial power of the United States is to be vested in a supreme court, and in such inferior courts as Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The powers of these courts are very extensive; their jurisdiction comprehends all civil causes, except such as arise between citizens of the same state; and it extends to all cases in law and equity arising under the constitution. One inferior court must be established, I presume, in each state, at least, with the necessary executive officers appendant thereto. It is easy to see, that in the common course of things, these courts will eclipse the dignity, and take away from the respectability, of the state courts. These courts will be, in themselves, totally independent of the states, deriving their authority from the United States, and receiving from them fixed salaries; and in the course of human events it is to be expected, that they will swallow up all the powers of the courts in the respective states. How far the clause in the 8th section of the 1st article may operate to do away all idea of confederated states, and to effect an entire consolidation of the whole into one general government, it is impossible to say. The powers given by this article are very general and comprehensive, and it may receive a construction to justify the passing almost any law. A power to make all laws, which shall be necessary and proper, for carrying into execution, all powers vested by the constitution in the government of the United States, or any department or officer thereof, is a power very comprehensive and definite [indefinite?], and may, for ought I know, be exercised in a such manner as entirely to abolish the state legislatures. Suppose the legislature of a state should pass a law to raise money to support their government and pay the state debt, may the Congress repeal this law, because it may prevent the collection of a tax which they may think proper and necessary to lay, to provide for the general welfare of the United States? For all laws made, in pursuance of this constitution, are the supreme lay of the land, and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the constitution or laws of the different states to the contrary notwithstanding. — By such a law, the government of a particular state might be overturned at one stroke, and thereby be deprived of every means of its support.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:06 PM
Quote:The first object declared to be in view is, "To form a perfect union." It is to be observed, it is not an union of states or bodies corporate; had this been the case the existence of the state governments, might have been secured. But it is a union of the people of the United States considered as one body, who are to ratify this constitution, if it is adopted. Now to make a union of this kind perfect, it is necessary to abolish all inferior governments, and to give the general one compleat legislative, executive and judicial powers to every purpose. The courts therefore will establish it as a rule in explaining the constitution to give it such a construction as will best tend to perfect the union or take from the state governments every power of either making or executing laws. The second object is "to establish justice." This must include not only the idea of instituting the rule of justice, or of making laws which shall be the measure or rule of right, but also of providing for the application of this rule or of administering justice under it. And under this the courts will in their decisions extend the power of the government to all cases they possibly can, or otherwise they will be restricted in doing what appears to be the intent of the constitution they should do, to wit, pass laws and provide for the execution of them, for the general distribution of justice between man and man. Another end declared is "to insure domestic tranquility." This comprehends a provision against all private breaches of the peace, as well as against all public commotions or general insurrections; and to attain the object of this clause fully, the government must exercise the power of passing laws on these subjects, as well as of appointing magistrates with authority to execute them. And the courts will adopt these ideas in their expositions. I might proceed to the other clause, in the preamble, and it would appear by a consideration of all of them separately, as it does by taking them together, that if the spirit of this system is to be known from its declared end and design in the preamble, its spirit is to subvert and abolish all the powers of the state government, and to embrace every object to which any government extends.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: I thank every service-person who put themselves on the line to preserve those freedoms.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:22 PM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: I thank every free-thinking American.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:33 PM
Quote:Then PLEASE, BE one of them. Stop with the worship. See the faults in ANY venue, even your own.
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:36 PM
Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Really, Im sure that people will one day view government as the solution to ALL their problems.
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