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Wag the dog, part deux.

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Friday, October 29, 2010 12:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Terror alert ?

Why, Presidents only do that to phony up some fear, right ? Interject some loathing and hatred against them crazy Muslims, huh?

Racist ! Bigot ! Fearmonger! Oh, wait.... Obama is President ?

Never mind.

Must be real.


But hold up, if it's REAL , then that means......


( you figure it out )





"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."



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Friday, October 29, 2010 12:48 PM

WHOZIT


It'll be forgotten very soon, Jon Stewarts AWSOME RALLY (which won't get half the people Becks did) is tomorow!! CNN and MSNBC will cover it from start to finsh, few people will watch but DAMIT they'll be there! I wonder if Keith Olbermann will speak? Maybe he'll kill himself on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial....that would be so cool.....and he's stupid.

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Friday, October 29, 2010 12:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I'm just glad no innocent aspirin factories were sacrificed to save the falling poll numbers of a sitting President.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Friday, October 29, 2010 1:04 PM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I'm just glad no innocent aspirin factories were sacrificed to save the falling poll numbers of a sitting President.



"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."





That is HILARIOUS, but I'd take Clinton back....yesturday.






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Kwicko, I formally condemn your mother for not aborting you. Yeah, I'm sure her brother was happy to have a son, but you are inexcusable....

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Friday, October 29, 2010 1:55 PM

DREAMTROVE


Clinton is a jackass. Clinton=Bush=Obama

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Friday, October 29, 2010 2:07 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Clinton is a jackass. Clinton=Bush=Obama



Bush41 = Clinton = Bush43 = Obama

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Friday, October 29, 2010 3:15 PM

BYTEMITE


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Bush41 = Clinton = Bush43 = Obama


Pretty much.

Also, I doubt this Obama terror threat is any more real than the supposed terror threat in Europe last month. Where nothing happened.

Obama's poll numbers are falling you say? Then arguably there's at least a correlation between phony terror alerts and presidential poll numbers. Even if it isn't a ruse, Homeland Security et al. have cried wolf so often that very few people care anymore.

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Friday, October 29, 2010 3:43 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:

Even if it isn't a ruse, Homeland Security et al. have cried wolf so often that very few people care anymore.



Put politics aside, why is it being reported that 2 devices contained explosive " material " ?

Were they working bombs, or weren't they ? Lots of materials could be considered explosives.... homemade semtex is what I'm hearing, but who knows for sure ? More 'testing' needs to be done...huh?

Quote:

One source gave an initial estimate that 10 to 14 ounces of homemade high explosive were contained in the devices," ABC News said.


Maybe it was just a 'dry run', or not.




"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."


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Friday, October 29, 2010 8:15 PM

BYTEMITE


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homemade semtex is what I'm hearing, but who knows for sure ? More 'testing' needs to be done...huh?



Sounds like. But unless it was diversion, I'm not overly worried.

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Friday, October 29, 2010 11:15 PM

DREAMTROVE


Yes, actually, Bush41 started to take over the govt. when Reagan was losing his marbles, if not sooner. It's been a neolib/neocon march for a while.

I would guess that this admin is doing the same as the last one: Raising the terror threat around election time. People are doubting our need to be in Afghanistan. Right now we're launching a major offensive against Kandahar, and I'm not sure why. Sure, the Taliban is from there, but who cares. Not only who cares about the Taliban, who cares where they were from? They weren't really in Kandahar until we invaded. Also, our current Karzai govt. is also from Kandahar. The locals don't really care for either group. They don't like us either. It's hard to see why this merits sinking the American economy and making enemies of the muslim world, not to mention killing a number of american and insurgent soldiers and random civilians that is now rolling in.

Unless, of course, there's a bugbear of terrorism.


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Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Yes, actually, Bush41 started to take over the govt. when Reagan was losing his marbles, if not sooner. It's been a neolib/neocon march for a while.

I would guess that this admin is doing the same as the last one: Raising the terror threat around election time. People are doubting our need to be in Afghanistan. Right now we're launching a major offensive against Kandahar, and I'm not sure why. Sure, the Taliban is from there, but who cares. Not only who cares about the Taliban, who cares where they were from? They weren't really in Kandahar until we invaded. Also, our current Karzai govt. is also from Kandahar. The locals don't really care for either group. They don't like us either. It's hard to see why this merits sinking the American economy and making enemies of the muslim world, not to mention killing a number of american and insurgent soldiers and random civilians that is now rolling in.

Unless, of course, there's a bugbear of terrorism.




+1.


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

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Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:46 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Gonna have to chalk this up as a bit of a victory for "them", I'm afraid. Once again, a few dollars and a little bit of preparation, and they've got us all scrambling to play catch-up.

Now there will be new screening procedures (and new machines, no doubt) for all the cargo flights, which will have the simultaneous effect of slowing down commerce AND increasing transportation costs, which will supposedly hamper economic growth and stifle economies around the world - and all for the price of a few pounds of PETN, a couple toner cartridges and cell phones, and a little bit of shipping cost.

Get ready to start paying more "taxes" in the way of more fees on airline tickets, shipping, products, etc. It's all security theatre, and I won't be a bit surprised when it turns out that some enterprising company with links to TPTB just happens to have come up with a fantastic new screening device for cargo, which they can have in place at every major airport within a year or so for the low, low price of only a few billion dollars...

Once more, they say "Jump!", and we say... ?


The modern definition of "socialist" is anyone who's winning an argument against a tea-bagger.

AURaptor's Greatest Hits:

Friday, September 24, 2010
I hate Obama's America. You're damn right about that.


Friday, May 28, 2010 - 18:26 To President Obama:
Mr. President, you're a god damn, mother fucking liar.
Fuck you, you cock sucking community activist piece of shit.
... go fuck yourself, Mr. President.


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Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:57 AM

DREAMTROVE


Mike

Your paranoia has started me thinking with a paranoia about an idea that I'm just going to guess that Frem aleady had.

It deserves its own thread.

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 3:02 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Y'know, it's almost comical, but what used to be "paranoia" is now just "standard operating procedure"...

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Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

It'll be forgotten very soon, Jon Stewarts AWSOME RALLY (which won't get half the people Becks did) is tomorow!! CNN and MSNBC will cover it from start to finsh, few people will watch but DAMIT they'll be there!
Just to remind you after the fact that just a few did show up...and the repeated crack that it won't get as many as Becks shows your insecurity, since it wasn't INTENDED to in the first place!

As for the bombs, I assume everyone by now has heard the updates and I believe they were real bombs...and apparently it was the SAUDIS who told us about 'em and helped us stop 'em, when our inept government didn't have a clue.

The desperate need to believe each of us is endangered because of terrorist activities has gone a long way toward achieving what the terrorists want in the first place. However, Bush's "terror plots" were in some case SO pathetic that their jacking up fear in many is ridiculous.
Quote:

from what few details are known about the "foiled plots," it seem that Bush is once again misleading the nation. In only two of the cases are any details known---and the evidence in both cases is mighty thin:

In first case, involving Jose Padilla, it's important to note that Padilla has not yet even been charged with a crime.

As Britain's The Telegraph newspaper pointed out, Paul Wolfowitz "stressed that 'there was not an actual plan' to set off a radioactive device in America and Padilla had not begun trying to acquire materials. Intelligence officials said his research had not gone beyond surfing the internet."

The second case, involving Ohio truck driver Iyman Faris, is unlikely to be dramatized in a Tom Clancy-style thriller appearing at your local cinema any time soon. As Think Progress pointed out:

"(Iyman Faris) ... pleaded guilty in June 2003 to two felony charges of supporting a foreign terrorist organization. He was charged with plotting to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge, but U.S. officials admitted that Faris had abandoned the plot because he deemed it unlikely to succeed. "After scouting the bridge and deciding its security and structure meant the plot was unlikely to succeed, he passed along a message to al Qaeda in early 2003 that said ‘the weather is too hot.’" [CNN, 6/19/03]"

Of course, outside of the meager details known about the aforementioned two cases, next to nothing is known about the other eight alleged foiled terror plots.

Here's what doesn't make any sense to me. If the U.S. did indeed foil terror plots during that time frame, don't you think we might have heard about it during the bitterly-fought, take-no-prisoners 2004 election campaign?

After all, Bush was desperately trying to convince the American people that his war on terror was a big success and that he could protect America better than John Kerry could. It seems to me that the Bush team would have been shouting from the highest rooftops that the U.S. had already foiled numerous Al-Qaeda attacks.

I've heard Republicans argue that Bush was unable to mention the foiled attacks previously, out of concerns for national security.

Of course, this makes no sense either.

I could see the need to maintain secrecy before a terror attack is foiled. But there is no reason to keep news of a foiled attack secret AFTER the fact.

http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/2005/10/bushs-foiled-terror-plots-
claim-makes.html


Not willing to look hard enough to find the others, but I recall hearing about them at the time and that a number of them were pretty silly, and/or about people who "plotted" but had no way of carrying anything out, nor any way of attaining what they'd need to do so.

Given the colored "terror alert" thing, I chalk it up to fear mongering. Doesn't mean I'm saying this administration isn't above doing exactly the same thing. I think this one was real, tho'.




Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off




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Sunday, October 31, 2010 1:24 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Paranoia can, strangely enough, be a comforting state of mind - if you think they're out to get you, it means you think you matter.

*snort*

On the other hand, provoking them to ACTUALLY bring the hammer down has them quite literally handing you power and legitimacy, especially if you make sure that hammer lands on their own toes.

But it seems that even TPTB have a limit to their stupidity, cause as I've recently mentioned in obscure fashion, someone up the line has decided the solution to that is to stop swingin a hammer at me at all...

And here I was hopin they'd hand it all over on a silver platter, meh, now I gotta work for it, blargh.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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