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Uganda's Kill the Gays bill

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Friday, December 10, 2010 11:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Rachel Maddow has disappointed me...again. She had the guy who wrote and is promoting this bill on two nights in a row for extensive interviews. Leaving aside all his spin and dodging, he kept saying it was "to protect the children and youth of Uganda who are made vulnerable to sexual abuse and deviation”", and talked about how gays were "recruiting" children (from schools, no less). Tho' she pushed him a couple of times, she never insisted he explain EXACTLY how children were being "recruited". She repeated several times that no scientists, etc., had ever found that gays "recruited" or that it was a "choice" and that she'd never seen any proof of what he claimed...which he promised to send her and you know will never arrive (he'd done his interview, that's all he wanted), but she never pushed him on HOW this so-called "recruitment" was done.

I'd really like to find out specifics on this. I know there is a problem with rich people going over and getting kids to bring back for sexual use, but I don't think that's what he was referring to, and he never mentioned that. Has anyone run across the specifics on how they believe children are being "recruited" by gays?

There also seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the bill as well, things I haven't seen mentioned until I looked it up today. He did say he was willing to remove the "execution" clause in the bill, but that still leaves life imprisonment for "offenses" I didn't know about before...

(and no, I didn't get the following from Maddow, I spent some time looking the issue up myself today)
Quote:

The media still hasn’t gotten it right about Uganda’s Kill-the-Gays bill. Some conservatives offer the outright lie that it only intends to execute child molesters and people who deliberately spread HIV. The liberal media points out that the bill would also execute people who merely have gay sex more than once.

But the facts are much worse than that. Here are two examples of people who could be put to death:

--Someone who has gay sex once and doesn’t turn his partner in to the authorities.

--A straight person who doesn’t turn in a gay friend after hearing about about a couple romantic evenings.

You don’t have be gay to be executed under this bill. Here’s how easily the government could put you to death:

--The death penalty applies to anyone convicted of “aggravated homosexuality.”

--Aggravated homosexuality includes all “serial offenders.”

--A serial offender is “a person who has previous convictions of the offence of homosexuality or related offences.”

Related offences (Part III of the bill) include not ratting out your gay friends (if you are a person of religious, political, economic, or social [!] authority).

http://wakingupnow.com/blog/kill-the-straight-friends-of-gays

The actual bill can be found at: http://www.publiceye.org/publications/globalizing-the-culture-wars/pdf
/uganda-bill-september-09.pdf


Then there's C Street (or The Fellowship or The Family or whatever they call themselves) itself. It occurs to me that there are some here who lean toward conspiracy theories on one matter or another, yet I see little, if any, discussion of this group. They appear to me to be a fairly transparent "conspiracy", and given the power they can and could weild, something that would be worth discussing. I know some dismiss Sharlett, but beyond that, the facts of the powerful people involved and some of their group's tenants seems pretty dangerous to me.


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Friday, December 10, 2010 11:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Searching further, I DID find this:
Quote:

If you want to make good money, pretend to be “gay.” Why? Gay activists are recruiting impoverished young boys and girls, offering them money to impersonate homosexuals. “Just tell people you are gay and we’ll pay you money.” In this way, they are trying to skew the data regarding the numbers of people who are homosexual. Last year one school teacher was told this information by two young female students. They admitted that they were being paid to say they were gay. Additionally these girls recruited 13 more girls that year!
That's neither recruiting young people to BECOME gay nor is it creating "gay activists". They're paid to "say" they're gay (however much, little or not at all this actually happens), and nobody is going to become an "activist" because they're paid to say something!

So I'm still looking for details of how gay people are supposedly "recruiting" Ugandan youth.


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Friday, December 10, 2010 11:42 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Niki,

Don't take the content of Ugandan laws too seriously. Only the actions matter. What does the law say? Kill people who are accused of being gay. There you go.

It give the govt power to kill whoever they want with that excuse/accusation. That is what the law is for. The rest is just... legal babble.

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Friday, December 10, 2010 11:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Somehow, I kind of doubt that, but I'll agree to disagree and hope you're right.


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Friday, December 10, 2010 12:01 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Somehow, I kind of doubt that, but I'll agree to disagree and hope you're right.

Don't hope that I'm right. My version is worse.

My interpretation means they will go around killing gay people and non-gay people, all under the pretext of homosexuality.

Sort of like the War on Drugs. They get some druggies, sure, but they also use it to get people like your buddy Country....

See what I mean?

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Friday, December 10, 2010 12:02 PM

MINCINGBEAST


The following is the most eloquent defense of Uganda's anti-homo laws:



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Friday, December 10, 2010 12:03 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, I misunderstood. I thought by "only the actions matter" you meant the law was just so much bullshit, so it wouldn't be taken that seriously and acted upon. My bad.

Yes; what you said.


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Friday, December 10, 2010 12:08 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh gawd, Mincing, that's SICK! It's propaganda like that which pretzels people's minds...it makes me so angry...

"Does Obama want this for Uganda?" Sick, sick, sick.


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