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Supreme Court rules Government can Violate Innocents without Reprecussions (not PN)

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Saturday, April 2, 2011 15:50
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:16 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/29/scotus.exonerated.killer/index.htm
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Fixed by Sky:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/29/scotus.exonerated.killer/index
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Hello,

It seems to be a license to lie.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:26 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


But only if you're with the prosecution.


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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:54 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Indeed.

I am quite disappointed with the SCOTUS these days.

Also, the old link didn't work for me. CNN's been moving a lot of links lately. This is the link from today, at least.

http://tinyurl.com/4e8ky49

ETA: I"m finding a lot of the comments below the article quite insightful.





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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:05 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Thank you for fixing the link.

This is my favorite comment on the article:

"Let's not forget that they not only knowingly convicted an innocent man to promote there careers... They knowingly allowed a genuine killer to remain on the lose to potentially murder others. They not only commited an injustice to the man they did convict, they committed an injustice to the victim, the victims family and friends, and the entire public at large."

--Anthony



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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:30 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Thank you for fixing the link.

OK, I figured out that CNN links don't work unless you copy and paste into a new browser tab. Clicking on it takes you to a "Page Not Found" message. The way to bypass that is to use a link shortener, like tinyurl. Weird.

My fav comment was this. A bit longwinded, but kinda funny.

Quote:

The Supreme Court effectively ruled that the prosecutors themselves are criminally liable for their actions.

The Supreme Court ruled that the DA’s office could not be held accountable for not having trained the prosecutors on this point of law because it would be standard practice for the DA’s office to assume the prosecutors should have been aware of the point of law as a result of their law school education.

If we accept this as being true and reasonable, then the Supreme Court is also ruling that it would be reasonable to assume the prosecutors did knowingly deny the defendant his legal rights. The Supreme Court decision is dependent upon a generally accepted assumption that the prosecutors are to know the law.

Since the Supreme Court is effectively ruling that the DA’s office is not responsible because the office can justifiable hold the prosecutors accountable for knowing the law, then it is reasonable to assume the prosecutors knew the law and are therefore criminally liable for their actions.

It seems the prosecutors should spend 14 years behind bars while hoping a subsequent Supreme Court ruling will hold the DA’s office accountable instead.

My only concern is that SOMEBODY needs to be held accountable in order to provide the proper checks and balances to deter it happening again in the future.





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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:38 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I definitely feel someone in the prosecutor's office should be liable.

'Frame With Impunity' is not supposed to be the theme of our legal system.

--Anthony



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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:38 PM

HARDWARE


Someone certainly should be held responsible. But, this is New Orleans, the city that thought the 2nd amendment was optional.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:34 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And the SCOTUS just endorsed it as the law of the land. Apparently the U.S. Constitution is optional, too. But we already knew that.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:30 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Apparently the U.S. Constitution is optional, too. But we already knew that.

It's just terribly disappointing when they say it out loud. Now we can't pretend everything is ok.




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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:10 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Not supposed to be, Anthony, but in practice that's what it is.

Here's THIS ringer from the ever so corrupt state of TN (Sadly, PN has some cause to excoriate them for it, alas).

Tennessee Cops Posed as a Defense Attorney To Get Suspect To Incriminate Himself
http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/08/tennessee-cops-posed-as-a-defe

Of course, that's only SLIGHTLY more overt than the usual tactic of sending in the first public defender, who then removes himself from the case and spills his guts to the prosecutor, while the second one then takes a dive...

Believe me, I *know* all their nasty little games, and could go on for hours - but I'll content myself with simply restating the A-Number-One, prime directive of not winding up screwed by the system.

When in doubt: SHUT THE FUCK UP.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:48 AM

DREAMTROVE



this is really appalling. It is tantamount to giving a green light to lawyers to lie about evidence, or just in general, like the police do, it will soon become the gold standard of professionalism


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 5:25 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Then-New Orleans area District Attorney Harry Connick Sr. claimed his office should not be held fully responsible after one of his staff attorneys violated long-standing, accepted procedures on handling evidence in criminal trials.


So actor/singer Harry Connick Jr's daddy did this shit?

BTW all prosecutors hide exculpatory evidence every day. How else are they gonna win? If they didn't hide exculpatory and impeachment evidence, then no cop would ever be allowed to testilie.

That's why I always carry a $20 lie detector with 100% accuracy. It's called a "digital audio recorder". Videocam or hidden video is even better.

Open Records Acts bypass prosecutorial misconduct and is often a more powerful discovery tool.

Govt is run by pathological lying sociopathic thieving homicidal serial-killing mass-murderers. Always has, always will, until They extinct the human race.

Ignore these facts at your peril...

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:45 AM

KANEMAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Apparently the U.S. Constitution is optional, too. But we already knew that.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill




Of course you did...you're a liberal.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 2:56 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by kaneman:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Apparently the U.S. Constitution is optional, too. But we already knew that.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill




Of course you did...you're a liberal.




Yes, liberals have a long history of having their constitutional rights violated by so-called "conservatives". Go back to pretending you really care about a document you can't even spell the name of. ;) Shitting on the Constitution has a long history among you Republicans, going all the way back to the very first Republican President, Abe Lincoln.

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Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:42 AM

DREAMTROVE


Mike,




That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 2:29 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Another article on the same problem.

http://www.slate.com/id/2290036/pagenum/all/#p2

Quote:

...In the 10 years preceding Thompson's trial, Thomas acknowledges, "Louisiana courts had overturned four convictions because of Brady violations by prosecutors in Connick's office." Yet somehow this doesn't add up to a pattern of Brady violations in the office, because the evidence in those other cases wasn't blood or crime lab evidence. Huh? He then inexplicably asserts that young prosecutors needn't be trained on Brady violations because they learned everything in law school.

Scalia and Thomas are at pains to say that Connick was not aware of or responsible for his subordinates' unconstitutional conduct, except—as Ginsburg points out—that Connick acknowledged that he misunderstood Brady, acknowledged that his prosecutors "were coming fresh out of law school," acknowledged he didn't know whether they had Brady training, and acknowledged that he himself had 'stopped reading law books … and looking at opinions' when he was first elected District Attorney in 1974." And Connick also conceded that holding his underlings to the highest Brady standards would "make [his] job more difficult." As Bennett Gershman and Joel Cohen point out, the jury had "considerable evidence that both Connick and prosecutors in his office were ignorant of the constitutional rules regarding disclosure of exculpatory evidence; they were ignorant of the rules regarding disclosure of scientific evidence; there was no training, or continuing education, and no procedures to monitor compliance with evidentiary requirements; prosecutors did not review police files; and shockingly, Connick himself had been indicted by federal prosecutors for suppressing a lab report of the kind hidden from Thompson."

It's not just that a jury, a judge, and the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals found that Connick knew his staff was undertrained and he failed to fix it. It's that it's almost impossible, on reviewing all of the evidence, to conclude anything else. Nobody is suggesting that the legal issue here is simple or that there aren't meaningful consequences to creating liability for district attorneys who fail to train their subordinates in Brady compliance. But those aren't the opinions that Thomas and Scalia produced. Their effort instead was to sift and resift the facts until the injury done to Thompson can be pinned on a single bad actor, acting in bad faith. It's a long, sad, uphill trek....





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Saturday, April 2, 2011 2:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


So this guy was convicted of murder and sent to prison for years and years - including Death Row, where he was a month away from execution. Seems he's "owed" a murder. The system made him do the time, and now he should get to do the crime.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 3:02 PM

DREAMTROVE


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
So this guy was convicted of murder and sent to prison for years and years - including Death Row, where he was a month away from execution. Seems he's "owed" a murder. The system made him do the time, and now he should get to do the crime.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill



Lol. That's an interesting take. Here I thought he was owed cash for the opportunity loss of income over those years, emotional trauma etc. (Of course, if he had a job, he might have had a family in his downtime, rather than hang out getting ass-raped by gangs in lock-up) but the idea that he's owed a murder is more interesting. He's paid for one, now he gets to do one.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 3:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Well, SCOTUS seems to think he's owed no cash, so he should certainly be owed a murder. Maybe more.

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 3:49 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Ironic, this.

I JUST had a conversation regarding my niece and how her mothers endless accusations and punishments eventually *DID* lead to her doing exactly the things she was being unjustly accused and punished in regards to - just as I figured at the same age if I was going to get in trouble ANYWAY for violent behavior whether I actually performed any or not, well then I was damn well GOING to do some.

I have no answer to it, save to say that a false accusations against a child for the sake of ego will eventually become self-fulfilling prophecy, and that we unerringly continue the process in our courts as young folk are never given a fair shake, and figure that if society is going to punish them for misdeeds, then damn well they're going to do something worth the rope, then.

So yeah, I think we "owe him a murder" in all deadly honest seriousness.

And I figure y'all are well aware of who I think that should be.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, April 2, 2011 3:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I could hazard a guess, yes.

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