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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I just have to laugh at those who constantly try to label me as some 'authoritarian' figure, when they have no substantive evidence to support that claim.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I just have to laugh at those who constantly try to label me as some 'authoritarian' figure, when they have no substantive evidence to support that claim.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Hello Mr. Raptor,

Do you think the questions on this quiz are the only ones you have answered on this forum?

A quiz like this can only measure what you want to believe about yourself.

However, if we accept that as a basis for truth, and we embrace the quiz as hard reality...

You're much more an authoritarian than I. From my perspective, you would still seem authoritarian, because people can only see things from where they stand.

--Anthony

Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

I can be brutally honest with myself - but...

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The point is, "tests" like these don't really tell anyone much of anything, because anyone with an IQ above room temperature can make the results say anything they want. I'll bet you money that ChrisIsAll could score hard left libertarian, and TheRightStuff (his alter-ego) could score hard-right authoritarian.

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You can't even be honest with yourself, can you ?

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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You can't even be honest with yourself, can you ?

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Apparently you don't understand things when they are demonstrated for you.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by SignyM:

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You can't even be honest with yourself, can you ?

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Apparently you don't understand things when they are demonstrated for you.

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A totally pointless and off topic reply. Thanks ?

My score was below the mid line, and no where near 'Hitlerian', but you just go right ahead and ignore THAT point.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Here's me: A whole lot more libertarian than you, and a whole lot nicer!

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
And you're mean with other people's money.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Okay, I find it kinda amusing...
http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-6.75&soc=-9.08

That my dot lands damn near on top of Siggys despite that we're usually sabres crossed howling at each other over something or other, lol.

I did notice most of us landed in the green quad, neh ?

Don't even get me started on Randroids, HKCav, but for an example of how unsustainable a theory that is, some yahoos tried to found a college on them once...
http://chronicle.com/article/The-Cautionary-Tale-of-a/125452/
Results: Obvious and Inevitable.

-Frem

PS. Read Larssons books, first one and a quarter into the next, and don't see what's so interesting about them ?

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It's a flawed test. HK is right. It's designed to make you think you're a libertarian.

It's not really designed to make you think you're on the right. It put me on the left. Mildly. It made me mildly libertarian It actually put me smack in the same spot as Happy.

This is mainly because I didn't click "strongly" on anything, because I didn't see the point.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Bet some here didn't see that comin', huh?

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

Is there a quiz/test that you all have used that is more informative and/or correct?

--Anthony

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Originally posted by piratenews:
Everyone is a Libertarian Freedom Fighter when its their own liberty and freedom on the line.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This one, the questions just struck me as a little loaded.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
That grid was invented by a libertarian and the test was devised by libertarians. The shape of the grid misleads you to see right-libertarianism as an equal quarter of the political spectrum but it simply isn't. Ayn Rand's philosophy is untenable in reality and her adherents adhere to it like bad Christians who talk the talk, but go on drinkin' and whorin' anyway.

The reality reflected in this grid is actually more of a tilted hourglass shape with one end in left-libertarianism and one end in right-authoritarianism. The further right you are on the spectrum the more likely you are to hold very authoritarian beliefs as well, while the further left you go politically the more libertarian are your instincts. Real human beings only shallowly move into the right-libertarian and left-authoritarian boxes, while right-authoritarianism has real historical humans occupying the far upper-right corner and the Dalai Lama and I (and Kwicko!) have staked out the far lower-left of the grid. There just aren't any real human beings who show up in the extremes of the authoritarian-left and the libertarian-right as defined by this test. So, what that translates to around here is that right-libertarians on the grid are basically right, with some socially progressive notions about a couple wedge issues. Raise your hand if you're surprised.

Check around the web and you will see that all of our recent Presidents have been in the right-authoritarian quarter. However shallowly, they are up there. In my experience, actual libertarians know this perfectly well. So, were AURaptor an actual libertarian in thought and deed, he would not have spent the last ten years lionizing the upper-right G.W. Bush, nor denigrated the shallowly right-leaning Obama as a super liberal intent on destroying his precious faux-libertarian utopia.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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The following are your scores. They are based on a gradual range of 0 to 12. For instance, a Conservative/Progressive score of 3 and 0 will both yield a result of social conservative, yet 0 would be an extreme conservative and 3 a moderate conservative



Conservative/Progressive score: 9
You are a social progressive. You generally consider yourself a humanist first. You probably think that religion and patriotism go too far in society. You probably consider yourself to be a citizen of Earth first rather than a citizen of your country.



Capitalist Purist/Social Capitalist score: 10
You're a Social Capitalist, you think that, left to its own, Capitalism leaves a lot of people behind. You think that Health Care should be free to all, that the minimum wage should be raised, and that the government should provide jobs to all that are capable of having them. You likely hated the Bush tax cuts, and believe that the middle class has gotten poorer, and the rich have gotten richer over the past several years. The far extreme of social capitalism is socialism.



Libertarian/Authoritarian score: 6
You're a Moderate. You think that we all have certain inalienable rights that must be protected, but that sometimes laws need to be made to protect the majority's lives or quality of lives. You might think that the 2nd amendment isn't necessary anymore because letting everyone a gun is extremely dangerous to the community. You might also be against illegal drug use or public pornography because of its possible harmful effects to society.



Pacifist/Militarist score: 8
You're a Moderate. You think that in very rare occasions, the United States should invade a country in order to make the world better by spreading democracy or ending a tyrants rule. You also think that defense is very important, and we shouldn't lower the defense budget. You think that, while the Iraq War probably was a mistake, that we can make the world a better place by sticking with it and spreading democracy in the middle east.

Overall, you would most likely fit into the category of Democrat.

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The following are your scores. They are based on a gradual range of 0 to 12. For instance, a Conservative/Progressive score of 3 and 0 will both yield a result of social conservative, yet 0 would be an extreme conservative and 3 a moderate conservative

Conservative/Progressive score: 7
You are a social moderate. You think the progressive movement is overall well meaning, but sometimes it goes too far. On issues like abortion and affirmative action, you see the negatives of both extremes on the issue. You probably value religion, but at the same time you think it should still stay separate from the government

Capitalist Purist/Social Capitalist score: 8
You are a Moderate Capitalist. You support an economy that is by and large a free market, but has public programs to help people who can't help themselves or need a little help. Pretty much you believe in the American economy how it currently is.

Libertarian/Authoritarian score: 7
You're a Moderate. You think that we all have certain inalienable rights that must be protected, but that sometimes laws need to be made to protect the majority's lives or quality of lives. You might think that the 2nd amendment isn't necessary anymore because letting everyone a gun is extremely dangerous to the community. You might also be against illegal drug use or public pornography because of its possible harmful effects to society.

Pacifist/Militarist score: 3
You're a Pacifist. You are angered that the United States thinks it should dominate the world through its military force. You think that the only time war is necessary is when we are in direct danger of being attacked. You also believe the US spends way too much of its money on defense, as we can practically cut it in half and still easily defend ourselves, and use that money to fix all our economic problems.

Overall, you would most likely fit into the category of Democrat

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Conservative/Progressive score: 11
You are a social progressive. You generally consider yourself a humanist first. You probably think that religion and patriotism go too far in society. You probably consider yourself to be a citizen of Earth first rather than a citizen of your country.

Capitalist Purist/Social Capitalist score: 9
You're a Social Capitalist, you think that, left to its own, Capitalism leaves a lot of people behind. You think that Health Care should be free to all, that the minimum wage should be raised, and that the government should provide jobs to all that are capable of having them. You likely hated the Bush tax cuts, and believe that the middle class has gotten poorer, and the rich have gotten richer over the past several years. The far extreme of social capitalism is socialism.

Libertarian/Authoritarian score: 0
You are libertarian. You think that the government is making way too many unnecessary laws that are taking away our innate rights. You believe that the government's job is primarily to protect people from harming other people, but after that they should mind their own business, and if we give the government too much power in controlling our lives, it can lead to fascism.

Pacifist/Militarist score: 1
You're a Pacifist. You are angered that the United States thinks it should dominate the world through its military force. You think that the only time war is necessary is when we are in direct danger of being attacked. You also believe the US spends way too much of its money on defense, as we can practically cut it in half and still easily defend ourselves, and use that money to fix all our economic problems.

Overall, you would most likely fit into the category of Hardcore Democrat

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