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Why I'm a Democrat, or rather, not a Republican
Friday, July 29, 2011 10:04 AM
DREAMTROVE
Quote:With the nation’s attention diverted by the drama over the debt ceiling, Republicans in the House of Representatives are loading up an appropriations bill with 39 ways — and counting — to significantly curtail environmental regulation.
Friday, July 29, 2011 10:19 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Friday, July 29, 2011 2:55 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Friday, July 29, 2011 4:01 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, July 29, 2011 4:09 PM
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Friday, July 29, 2011 6:59 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, July 29, 2011 8:21 PM
Saturday, July 30, 2011 6:57 AM
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Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: but you KNOW you'd be charged with dumping toxic waste if you did it. What's more, you'd likely be charged with terrorism.
Sunday, July 31, 2011 3:13 AM
Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: That's pretty clever actually: In order to prosecute the "terrorist" the other side would have to define fracking fluid as toxic waste, and not "produced water" or some other such nonsense. Hell, just go up and take a leak in their beer and say "Hey, this is produced water, it's 98% pure water, just like you say yours is, you know, the stuff you told us to drink." That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Kinda wondered how long it would take for someone to glom onto that... ;)
Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:57 PM
Monday, August 1, 2011 5:14 AM
Monday, August 1, 2011 12:58 PM
Quote:Oh, I'd never do that, their lawns are full of life forms I respect
Quote:Hell, just go up and take a leak in their beer and say "Hey, this is produced water, it's 98% pure water, just like you say yours is, you know, the stuff you told us to drink."
Monday, August 1, 2011 1:21 PM
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BYTEMITE
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 1:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I found a story once about people who survived similar contamination, with similar symptoms... On a military base. They use a lot of chlorinated solvents. Either from degreasing engines, or buried chemical weapons, or something to do with the jets and fuel, not sure.
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:39 AM
Quote: America’s environmental guardian angel has swooped down to take up a new cause. Ms. Brockovich has agreed to join the fight for veterans and their families to hold Camp Lejeune responsible for the health problems caused by the U.S. military base’s thirty years of water contamination. According to a statement by Brockovich, “We need to look at what happened at Camp Lejeune, the ground water contamination,” she said. “Who’s been affected, find them all and make sure that we do everything possible to make their future a little bit brighter.” The pollution at Camp Lejeune is well documented and is in fact the largest Defense Department contamination incident on record. Lindell Kay, of Jacksonville News, reports that “at least 500,000 people may have been exposed in the 30-year period from 1957 to 1987 to a host of toxic chemicals, including known human carcinogens benzene and vinyl chloride, as well as drying [sic] cleaning solvents and degreasers.” What Brockovich and twenty two other state and national organizations are pushing for is legislation that would make it easier for those affected by the water contamination to receive medical care for their health conditions. Many of the veterans and their families who lived on the base used the water for everything from drinking, bathing, and cooking and cannot afford the proper medical treatments. A number of Hollywood movies and independent documentaries have been filmed the past ten years highlighting the problem of water contamination at U.S. military bases. Most recently, a movie specifically focused on the problem at Camp Lejeune will be shown to members of Congress. With the help of the public awareness brought about by these films and the high caliber representation of Ms. Erin Brockovich, there is hope that these brave men and women who fought for our country and their families that lived with them on base will have access to the treatment that they need to take back their health. It is tragic that there have been some victims who have not lived to see that day. http://commonground.edrnet.com/posts/769286e260
Quote: The old Marine Corps air base at El Toro is a rotting toxic mess that Irvine politicians and businesses have tried in vain to manipulate into a park and housing community. Marines all over the country and beyond carry the El Toro blueprint in their DNA and the many deadly health issues connected to it are hereditary. We have been reporting about this for years now, traveling over and over again from Oregon to El Toro to report and document the changes and ridiculous effort to turn an EPA Superfund site into a place for families to live and recreate. All kinds of toxic chemicals and fuels were dumped into the groundwater here at a steady rate since the base was constructed during World War Two over a lima bean field that had once been the best of its kind in California. Of course that agricultural past ties to an era that predates our knowledge of serious and again deadly health issues, related to DDT which was used in abundance here before any aircraft-related contaminants began going down the drain and into the water tables below. Today the base has toxic 'plumes' of chemicals like trichloroethylene (TCE) perchloroethylene (PCE) and benzene and the list goes on and on. There is no name connected to the righting of wrongs in toxic environmental contamination bigger than that of Erin Brockovich. We have contacted her agency in the past trying to gain advocacy for El Toro but in reality, there is such a long list of serious similar problems in America that it is staggering. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/march072011/brockovich-el-toro-tk.php
Quote: Brockovich has penned a fictional thriller about industrial contamination, "Rock Bottom", intended to educate people on industrial dangers. Brockovich, who has her own firm and consults on many investigations, says she's looking at over 700 sites in the U.S. right now that could be fraught with industrial contamination.
Quote: Earlier this month, Halliburton Company told residents that around their north site, the ground water was contaminated with perchlorate, and residents are advised to stop drinking and bathing in it immediately. Folks in this rural neighborhood north of Duncan say almost every home has someone with some sort of thyroid problem. "It's painful, it hurts," says Tina Womack, a resident in Duncan who has thyroid problem. "I can't have surgery and I don't have insurance, so it's stuck there for a while." But earlier this month folks found out what may be going on, Halliburton notified residents that until 1991, it was burning rocket fuel at this site, and as a result ground water was contaminated with perchlorate, known to cause thyroid problems. Now Erin Brockovich, who gained her fame after Julia Roberts portrayed her stories in Hinkley, California, has taken her efforts to Duncan. Brockovich told nearly 500 people who filled the room that her team is launching a full environmental investigation, "We have crews out here testing for four days, we are going to probably be here for three or four more days, and then everyone will go back home to analyze the data, the community are getting themselves engaged, so they will start contacting us, we will come back out. So it is a process, but the first thing we want to do is find out whose wells are in fact contaminated," Brockovich says. Ron Hayden with the Halliburton Company says that they are taking this problem seriously. "The company is engaged fully, we are trying to get information to respond correctly, respond rapidly," Hayden says. Halliburton has already started connecting residents to a public water supply, and is supplying all of them with bottled water. People here aren't only concerned of Perchlorate, they are also concerned about radiation and other chemicals in the ground water. Brochovich and her team say they will be testing for that as well. Attorneys from New York and a local attorney are now talking to residents about taking legal action. http://www.news9.com/story/15153740/erin-brockovich-attends-meeting-in-duncan-to-discuss-contaminated-water-wells
Tuesday, August 2, 2011 9:47 AM
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