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Union Thugs Disrupt Wisconsin State Fair
Friday, August 5, 2011 2:34 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Friday, August 5, 2011 2:56 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:05 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:14 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:28 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:33 PM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I posted 2 articles on union thugs in Wisconsin. I said nothing about out of state money. Again, you fail. The articles I posted, made mention , as a side bar issue, but since it's clear you didn't bother w/ the links, you didn't read the articles, and then tried to make a red herring of ' out-of-state money ' as the focal point of the topic. Again, union thugs disrupt State Fair, and union thugs disrupt Special Olympics. Stay focused. I know you'd love to divert attention from the reality of what union goons are doing in Wisconsin, but that's what you do.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Wisconsin’s public sector unions are ramping up hysteria in anticipation of the recall elections on Tuesday. A reported $15 million, most of it from out of state, has been spent on behalf of the left-wing candidates in the recall races.
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Teabaggers disrupt meeting and events, it is freedom loving people expressing their anger. Hard working Union members disrupt events and they are thugs. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Friday, August 5, 2011 3:40 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No one from the TEA party disrupted any events. There were civic minded people, politely asking their Representatives and Senators questions at town hall meetings, but no angry mobs. Those are reserved for union thugs and democrats.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Your twisted definition of the word 'hypocrisy' is curious. Where does one learn such nonsense ?
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:Of what benefit does it serve to disrupt a NON political event, like the Special Olympics ?
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:Answer me that one, if you can, and dispense w/ the juvenile name calling try not to dodge the issue.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:I bet you can't. Prove me wrong.
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Right-wing plants.
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Right-wing plants. You're answer for everything, but never with an ounce of proof.
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:42 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:50 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: One can't disprove a negative, so add that to your list of fail too. That goes for pretty much your entire post, so I'll not waste my time further. I never claimed they were 'union thugs', now did I ? All I did was post the report. I made no comment, other than more news from Wisconsin. You filled in the rest, with your own bigotry. As you are want to do.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Which seems to be par for the course, with these worthless pieces of shit, dirt bag thug union types.
Friday, August 5, 2011 4:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Oh, and now where did anyone ask you to disprove a negative.
Friday, August 5, 2011 5:05 PM
Quote:- Get the word out ? Obviously, if you want to be seen as a heartless bunch of assholes, by all means, disrupt away. But don't be surprised when there's public blow back.
Friday, August 5, 2011 5:08 PM
Friday, August 5, 2011 5:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: M52 - Not a town hall meeting. - Using a word inappropriately doesn't make the definition valid. Sorry. - Get the word out ? Obviously, if you want to be seen as a heartless bunch of assholes, by all means, disrupt away. But don't be surprised when there's public blow back. - No offer of $ was connected w/ that bet, so i fail to see what 'pay up' is suppose to mean. You stated the obvious, 'to get the word out', but I was hoping for more. My bad. p.s. - And those links ? A 'thinkprogress' article? A HS political meeting ? Please... you're not even trying.
Friday, August 5, 2011 5:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Indeed. That's what this whole recall issue is about, you know. Republican tea-baggers are being a heartless bunch of assholes, and are disrupting the entire state, and now there's public blowback. Glad to see you finally get that!
Friday, August 5, 2011 5:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: I gave you links that showed what you said I couldn't. That makes me right and you an idiot, again.
Friday, August 5, 2011 5:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The links? Biased sources, and or dubious reporting of facts. Sorry. You grabbed some random links, hoping to score some easy 'win', but you only got a double dose of fail.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 3:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The links? Biased sources, and or dubious reporting of facts. Sorry. You grabbed some random links, hoping to score some easy 'win', but you only got a double dose of fail. No I grabbed credible links and proved you wrong. You are just not honest enough to admit it.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 5:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The links? Biased sources, and or dubious reporting of facts. Sorry. You grabbed some random links, hoping to score some easy 'win', but you only got a double dose of fail. No I grabbed credible links and proved you wrong. You are just not honest enough to admit it. It's funny, and almost cute, that you think that's the truth of it.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 6:03 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:I said nothing about out of state money.
Quote: All I did was post the report. I made no comment, other than more news from Wisconsin.
Quote:No one from the TEA party disrupted any events. There were civic minded people, politely asking their Representatives and Senators questions at town hall meetings, but no angry mobs. Those are reserved for union thugs and democrats.
Quote:RNC chair Reince Priebus, a former chair of the Wisconsin Republican Party, says there's no need for national political reporters to try and glean anything about the 2012 elections from the state Senate recall fight underway in his home state, where Democrats seem to have the momentum. http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rnc-chair-pay-no-attention-to-the-wisconsin-recalls-national-reporters.php love it: "Don't look at them! Don't look at them! Nothing to see here, move along!"Quote:He added that even though some of the key issues on the ballot in the coming weeks in his home state are "a similar debate to what we're having in the country," the "the localized nature of it doesn't allow it to be analogous to the 2012 election." ..... In one of the first ballot tests of the race last month, Democrats won big. Democrats and their allies have been running hard on a message of Republican overreach in Wisconsin, following the epic standoff between Democrats and GOP Governor Soctt Walker (R) over labor rights earlier this year. That message has extended into the nationalized fight over health care and other spending priorities, with Democrats raising big money and racking up polling successes off ads like this one. (Ad, and more, at http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rnc-chair-pay-no-attention-to-the-wisconsin-recalls-national-reporters.php to spending, it's kind of a moot point:Quote:An unprecedented amount of money is being poured into the Badger State from outside groups on both sides of the aisle. ..... Political science professor at St. Norbert College Charley Jacobs agrees: "It feels like a general election campaign at the end of October. It has been non-stop. Even though some of the candidates have raised a lot of money, most of the ads are from outside groups." ..... "I think the money battle is remarkably close," McCabe said, referring to both candidates and outside groups. "With interest groups…based on what we are seeing, there is a very slight edge to Republican groups, but not by much." More at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/30-million-pouring-influence-wisconsin-recall-elections/story?id=14235471&page=2 So that puts THAT to rest, for me at least. Typical politics; both sides spending tons to win. No surprise there. As to provocateurs, there's evidence it might be INCITED violence. There is DEFINITE evidence of tampering:Quote:Walker wanted a Koch-funded group, Americans for Prosperity (AFP), to step in and help the Republican legislators who sided with him—-even in the face of massive opposition from their constituents. Now that Wisconsin has reached the "more long-term" moment of which Walker spoke in that February call, AFP is all in. Next Tuesday, six of those Republican state senators face recall elections. And what is Americans for Prosperity doing? This week, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported: “In recent days, the conservative group Americans for Prosperity has sent out absentee ballot applications to voters—including Democratic activists—in two state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the material after the date of the election.… In recent days, the state chapter of AFP mailed out fliers telling voters to return the absentee ballot applications to their city clerk before Aug. 11, even though the election date for the two districts receiving the mailers is Aug. 9.” The AFP team peddled the line that they had somehow forgotten to check the details of a key mailing for election on which they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars from their out-of-state funders—including David Koch and his billionaire brother Charles. That’s hard to believe, especially when other groups aligned with AFP have sent out absentee ballots with the same inaccurate date. It is a lot easier to believe We Are Wisconsin’s Kelly Steele, who says, “This is voter suppression in its purest, most vile form.” But one thing is certain: the hope that Governor Walker expressed in February for an intervention by the Koch brothers and Americans for Prosperity on behalf of his legislative allies is being realized. And that intervention has maintained the ethical standard set by a governor who—in the same conversation with the Koch caller—-discussed sending agent provocateurs into the streets around the state Capitol with the purpose of provoking violent confrontations. The crowds of Wisconsin teachers, parents, students and public- and private-sector workers that had gathered outside the Capitol to challenge Walker’s agenda were peaceful and packed with children. Yet, when asked about sending in troublemakers, the governor said, “We thought about that.” More and a rehash of the fake phone call at http://www.thenation.com/blog/162540/koch-brothers-group-games-wisconsin-recalls So they certainly "thought about" using troublemakers, that much is certain. Given the stakes, I think it's quite possible that he "thought about" it again and was less reticent to do it now. Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Quote:He added that even though some of the key issues on the ballot in the coming weeks in his home state are "a similar debate to what we're having in the country," the "the localized nature of it doesn't allow it to be analogous to the 2012 election." ..... In one of the first ballot tests of the race last month, Democrats won big. Democrats and their allies have been running hard on a message of Republican overreach in Wisconsin, following the epic standoff between Democrats and GOP Governor Soctt Walker (R) over labor rights earlier this year. That message has extended into the nationalized fight over health care and other spending priorities, with Democrats raising big money and racking up polling successes off ads like this one. (Ad, and more, at http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/rnc-chair-pay-no-attention-to-the-wisconsin-recalls-national-reporters.php to spending, it's kind of a moot point:Quote:An unprecedented amount of money is being poured into the Badger State from outside groups on both sides of the aisle. ..... Political science professor at St. Norbert College Charley Jacobs agrees: "It feels like a general election campaign at the end of October. It has been non-stop. Even though some of the candidates have raised a lot of money, most of the ads are from outside groups." ..... "I think the money battle is remarkably close," McCabe said, referring to both candidates and outside groups. "With interest groups…based on what we are seeing, there is a very slight edge to Republican groups, but not by much." More at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/30-million-pouring-influence-wisconsin-recall-elections/story?id=14235471&page=2 So that puts THAT to rest, for me at least. Typical politics; both sides spending tons to win. No surprise there. As to provocateurs, there's evidence it might be INCITED violence. There is DEFINITE evidence of tampering:Quote:Walker wanted a Koch-funded group, Americans for Prosperity (AFP), to step in and help the Republican legislators who sided with him—-even in the face of massive opposition from their constituents. Now that Wisconsin has reached the "more long-term" moment of which Walker spoke in that February call, AFP is all in. Next Tuesday, six of those Republican state senators face recall elections. And what is Americans for Prosperity doing? This week, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported: “In recent days, the conservative group Americans for Prosperity has sent out absentee ballot applications to voters—including Democratic activists—in two state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the material after the date of the election.… In recent days, the state chapter of AFP mailed out fliers telling voters to return the absentee ballot applications to their city clerk before Aug. 11, even though the election date for the two districts receiving the mailers is Aug. 9.” The AFP team peddled the line that they had somehow forgotten to check the details of a key mailing for election on which they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars from their out-of-state funders—including David Koch and his billionaire brother Charles. That’s hard to believe, especially when other groups aligned with AFP have sent out absentee ballots with the same inaccurate date. It is a lot easier to believe We Are Wisconsin’s Kelly Steele, who says, “This is voter suppression in its purest, most vile form.” But one thing is certain: the hope that Governor Walker expressed in February for an intervention by the Koch brothers and Americans for Prosperity on behalf of his legislative allies is being realized. And that intervention has maintained the ethical standard set by a governor who—in the same conversation with the Koch caller—-discussed sending agent provocateurs into the streets around the state Capitol with the purpose of provoking violent confrontations. The crowds of Wisconsin teachers, parents, students and public- and private-sector workers that had gathered outside the Capitol to challenge Walker’s agenda were peaceful and packed with children. Yet, when asked about sending in troublemakers, the governor said, “We thought about that.” More and a rehash of the fake phone call at http://www.thenation.com/blog/162540/koch-brothers-group-games-wisconsin-recalls So they certainly "thought about" using troublemakers, that much is certain. Given the stakes, I think it's quite possible that he "thought about" it again and was less reticent to do it now.
Quote:An unprecedented amount of money is being poured into the Badger State from outside groups on both sides of the aisle. ..... Political science professor at St. Norbert College Charley Jacobs agrees: "It feels like a general election campaign at the end of October. It has been non-stop. Even though some of the candidates have raised a lot of money, most of the ads are from outside groups." ..... "I think the money battle is remarkably close," McCabe said, referring to both candidates and outside groups. "With interest groups…based on what we are seeing, there is a very slight edge to Republican groups, but not by much." More at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/30-million-pouring-influence-wisconsin-recall-elections/story?id=14235471&page=2
Quote:Walker wanted a Koch-funded group, Americans for Prosperity (AFP), to step in and help the Republican legislators who sided with him—-even in the face of massive opposition from their constituents. Now that Wisconsin has reached the "more long-term" moment of which Walker spoke in that February call, AFP is all in. Next Tuesday, six of those Republican state senators face recall elections. And what is Americans for Prosperity doing? This week, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported: “In recent days, the conservative group Americans for Prosperity has sent out absentee ballot applications to voters—including Democratic activists—in two state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the material after the date of the election.… In recent days, the state chapter of AFP mailed out fliers telling voters to return the absentee ballot applications to their city clerk before Aug. 11, even though the election date for the two districts receiving the mailers is Aug. 9.” The AFP team peddled the line that they had somehow forgotten to check the details of a key mailing for election on which they are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars from their out-of-state funders—including David Koch and his billionaire brother Charles. That’s hard to believe, especially when other groups aligned with AFP have sent out absentee ballots with the same inaccurate date. It is a lot easier to believe We Are Wisconsin’s Kelly Steele, who says, “This is voter suppression in its purest, most vile form.” But one thing is certain: the hope that Governor Walker expressed in February for an intervention by the Koch brothers and Americans for Prosperity on behalf of his legislative allies is being realized. And that intervention has maintained the ethical standard set by a governor who—in the same conversation with the Koch caller—-discussed sending agent provocateurs into the streets around the state Capitol with the purpose of provoking violent confrontations. The crowds of Wisconsin teachers, parents, students and public- and private-sector workers that had gathered outside the Capitol to challenge Walker’s agenda were peaceful and packed with children. Yet, when asked about sending in troublemakers, the governor said, “We thought about that.” More and a rehash of the fake phone call at http://www.thenation.com/blog/162540/koch-brothers-group-games-wisconsin-recalls
Saturday, August 6, 2011 6:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Keep just talking, your lucky it is cheap.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 6:39 AM
Quote: Quote: I said nothing about out of state money. He did, in his very first post.
Quote: I said nothing about out of state money.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 6:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: At least you're not quite as bad as Kerry, who'd limit what we get to say
Saturday, August 6, 2011 7:07 AM
Saturday, August 6, 2011 7:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I didn't say 1 damn thing about out of state money. That's from the ARTICLE I posted. Follow the link. Those are NOT my words.
Quote: Wisconsin’s public sector unions are ramping up hysteria in anticipation of the recall elections on Tuesday. A reported $15 million, most of it from out of state, has been spent on behalf of the left-wing candidates in the recall races. Yesterday, Scott Walker opened the Wisconsin State Fair, as is traditionally done by the governor. But the unions couldn’t let their hyperpartisanship rest even for fifteen minutes, and they put on a disgraceful display: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/08/union-thugs-disrupt-wisconsin-state-fair.php Which seems to be par for the course, with these worthless pieces of shit, dirt bag thug union types. Classy Wisconsin union protestors crash Special Olympics event http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/opinion-zone/2011/06/classy-wisconsin-union-protestors-crash-special-olympics-event " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Saturday, August 6, 2011 7:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'm not stupid, you are.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 7:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: This is YOUR post, exactly as YOU posted it. You don't give attribution to your first paragraph, you don't put it in as a quote, you don't put it in quotation marks, and you don't say that it's excerpted from the linked article. That's all on you. YOU posted it to look like these were your own thoughts on the linked articles. If you made a mistake, simply apologize and move on. Otherwise, quit claiming "I never said it!"
Quote: Quite clearly, you did. Or you at least tried to make people THINK you did, until I blew it up in your face by calling you on it when you tried to weasel out of what you yourself posted. YOU posted it. Not me. Not Niki. They're YOUR words, Rappy. Quit lying already.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I'm not stupid, you are. Worse, you're a useful idiot. I think that's the difference between thinking conservatives, and mindless, mouth breathing Liberals. When Kerry says he doesn't want the media to give equal time to those who HE doesn't think are credible, it's understood by anyone w/ a brain that he's talking regulation. State controlled, Fairness Doctrine mandated monitoring of what gets said, by whom, and how much. Liberals believe in AGW. Some have even suggested that those who deny the lie that they're on par w/ holocaust deniers. And some should even be charged and tried ! The holocaust happened. AGW ? Not so much. Big difference.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:57 AM
Quote:When Kerry says he doesn't want the media to give equal time to those who HE doesn't think are credible, it's understood by anyone w/ a brain that he's talking regulation. State controlled, Fairness Doctrine mandated monitoring of what gets said, by whom, and how much.
Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:27 AM
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