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Journal editor resigns over 'problematic' climate paper

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 7:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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The editor of a science journal has resigned after admitting that a recent paper casting doubt on man-made climate change should not have been published.

The paper, by US scientists Roy Spencer and William Braswell, claimed that computer models of climate inflated projections of temperature increase.

It was seized on by "sceptic" bloggers, but attacked by mainstream scientists.

Wolfgang Wagner, editor of Remote Sensing journal, says he agrees with their criticisms and is stepping down.

"Their aim is to achieve highest scientific standards by carrying out a rigorous peer review that is, as a minimum requirement, supposed to be able to identify fundamental methodological errors or false claims.

"Peer-reviewed journals are a pillar of modern science," he writes in a resignation note published in Remote Sensing.

"Unfortunately, as many climate researchers and engaged observers of the climate change debate pointed out in various internet discussion fora, the paper by Spencer and Braswell... is most likely problematic in both aspects and should therefore not have been published."

The paper became a cause celebre in "sceptical" circles through its claim that mainstream climate models inflated temperature projections through misunderstanding the role of clouds in the climate system and the rate at which the Earth radiated heat into space.

This meant, it said, that projections of temperature rise made in Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports were too high.

The paper, published in July, was swiftly attacked by scientists in the mainstream of climate research.
They also commented on the fact that the paper was not published in a journal that routinely deals with climate change. Remote Sensing's core topic is methods for monitoring aspects of the Earth from space.

Publishing in "off-topic" journals is generally frowned on in scientific circles, partly because editors may lack the specialist knowledge and contacts needed to run a thorough peer review process.
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Scientific papers that turn out to be flawed or fraudulent are usually retracted by the journals that publish them, with editorial resignations a rarity.

But Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics, said Dr Wagner had done the decent thing.

"It was a mistake, he's owned up to it and taken an honourable course, and I think he's to be commended for it," he told BBC News.

"I think it remains to be seen whether the authors follow a similar course."

Mr Ward described the tactic of publishing in off-topic journals as a "classic tactic" of scientists dismissive of man-made climate change.

"Those who recognise that their ideas are weak but seek to get them into the literature by finding weaknesses in the peer review system are taking a thoroughly disreputable approach," he said.

Roy Spencer, however, told BBC News: "I stand behind the science contained in the paper itself, as well as my comments published on my blog at drroyspencer.com.
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Dr Spencer is one of the team at the University of Alabama in Huntsville that keeps a record of the Earth's temperature as determined from satellite readings.

He is also on the board of directors of the George C Marshall Institute, a right-wing thinktank critical of mainstream climate science, and an advisor to the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, an evangelical Christian organisation that claims policies to curb climate change "would destroy jobs and impose trillions of dollars in costs" and "could be implemented only by enormous and dangerous expansion of government control over private life". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14768574

And so on and on it goes...at least the editor had the decency to do the honorable thing. It's a shame he resigned in a way; we need more people with scruples in positions like that.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:31 AM

BYTEMITE


Something about this report troubles me.

Strictly speaking, from what I can tell, the study itself wasn't retracted, and because the research had to do with the way heat radiates into space, was not necessarily off-topic for the journal in question. The report gives no other reason for the objection about the publishing of the study - we do not know enough from the information given whether the methodology, underlying basis, and conclusions of the study are flawed, which would be the far more important objection, than off-topic publishing.

Perhaps I'd have to read the study in question. If the climate change ramifications were only a minor part mentioned at the end, it could be the article is within reason, as many scientific studies will suggest what other data and fields the research might affect. But if it was a major part of the study, that's more condemning.

I will also concede that it does appear that the scientists behind the study do themselves have a bias... But that may not mean their conclusions are incorrect. After all, most scientific researchers go into the process with some bias. We must be careful about both the data we accept and reject.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 8:58 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Their aim is to achieve highest scientific standards by carrying out a rigorous peer review that is, as a minimum requirement, supposed to be able to ***identify fundamental methodological errors or false claims***.

"Unfortunately ... ***the paper by Spencer and Braswell... is most likely problematic in both aspects*** and should therefore not have been published."

This should have given you a clue as to what was wrong with the paper.


Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 10:54 AM

BYTEMITE


Actually, the complaint was they weren't sure they had the background to identify problems in methodology and false claims. You'll notice they said "LIKELY problematic in both aspects." That means to me that they still aren't sure.

Though why they aren't... Heat escaping the earth SHOULD be in their field, and they are SCIENTISTS, for goodness sake.

This really is sounding to me like there was political pressure for it to be removed. Which is why I'm troubled. I think all of us would agree there isn't much problem with a study that fine-tunes the data in climate models, it's not that the study says there is NO climate change, but that rather some of the models may be overestimating the rate of the change and the temperatures. It sounds to me like there was a reaction more because of the biases of the researchers than the report itself.


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Sunday, September 4, 2011 11:58 AM

MAL4PREZ


Did you actually read the article, Byte? Niki only posted parts of it. Also in it was this:


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But he also blames the researchers themselves for not referencing all the relevant research in their manuscript.

The problem is that comparable studies published by other authors have already been refuted..., a fact which was ignored by Spencer and Braswell in their paper and, unfortunately, not picked up by the reviewers.

"In other words, the problem I see with the paper... is not that it declared a minority view (which was later unfortunately much exaggerated by the public media) but that it essentially ignored the scientific arguments of its opponents.

"This latter point was missed in the review process, explaining why I perceive this paper to be fundamentally flawed and therefore wrongly accepted by the journal."



Apparently, this paper didn't reference pertinent prior research. The authors completely ignored other studies that had already refuted their work.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 12:02 PM

BYTEMITE


Ah, okay, I didn't realize there was more information. If similar studies have already been refuted, then not publishing probably was the right course of action, and the journal wasn't paying enough attention.

BTW, how've you been, haven't seen you around this summer. Whatcha been up to?

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:23 PM

DREAMTROVE


i find this greatly disturbing.

The thing that strikes right away is that is doesn't matter if the study was flawed, there's a clear double standard, a result that publishers want, which is politically driven, and not scientific.

The most obvious counter is that a number of studies were published, and well publicized, making a number of enviornmental points about greenhouse gasses, effects, and GW that were incorrect and based on inaccurate data, and Al Gore was given a Nobel prize for pure scientific nonsense.

Mostly, as an environmentalist, not only do I not want bad science on my side, I don't want anyone attempting to silence dissent on my side as well. If the other side wants to debate with bad science, then by all means, let them, it helps us... But does anyone remember the reports that predicted a "runaway greenhouse effect" that would "turn he surface of the earth into something akin to that of Venus?" i remember these well from circa 2006. That's just utter nonsense, the carbon of the earth is overwhelmingly trapped in limestone, and the annihilation of everything biological and fossil on the Earth would still not raise the co concentration above 1000ppm without something catastrophic like a meteor impact. The real projected worst case endpoint is around 600-700 ppm, at which point, according to the fossil record, there is no statistically* significant temperature change. Furthermore, the major co2 output of humans is because we breath. The most notable co2 increase is because we deforest, not because we burn oil. So, yes, all of these could be valid arguments on our side, but they aren't, and I don't want to go into battle armed with a rhetorical pea-shooter against folks I consider to be wreckjng my home, by which I mean, the Earth.

* statistically significant meaning outside the margin of error. I know y'all knew that already, but I just wanted to reiterate that I was using the term because that's what I meant before someone took that out of context to start arguing about temperature changes, because I know folks here do that too.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:23 PM

MAL4PREZ


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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Ah, okay, I didn't realize there was more information. If similar studies have already been refuted, then not publishing probably was the right course of action, and the journal wasn't paying enough attention.

BTW, how've you been, haven't seen you around this summer. Whatcha been up to?



I've been in full summer vacation mode! Sadly over now, but it's been nice two and a half months. Did a lot of dancing. Wish I could do more, but the body isn't as young as it used to be!

As for the article - I've played a little with the nuts and bolts of the science involved, but not enough to break this one down. Someday I hope to have the energy to dig deeper. I don't right now. My end-of-summer mental energies can barely handle preparing my classes.

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Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:27 PM

BYTEMITE


Nice! It is kind of relaxing to let loose a little. I've been mostly working on writing and regular work myself.

Good to have you back, anyway.

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Monday, September 5, 2011 9:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Isn't it great having Mal4 back? He's been much missed by me. I'm tickled you had a good vacation, and hey, don't strain your mental energies...one needs to ease back into these things (like real life)!
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I don't want anyone attempting to silence dissent on my side as well.
It's not about dissent, it's about how they went about it. I think before you start defending them, you might want to read the article in question, rather than jumping to the conclusion that this was an attempt to "silence dissent". Just a thought.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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