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Christie out. Palin OUT !

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:07 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Yep, theSarah announced today that she won't run in 2012.

I wonder if all the R's that are so confident that Obama is in the dumper are really chicken and figure that he'll still pull it off in 2012, so they'll run some palooka against him, and then squabble about who gets to take the real shot in 2016, when he's termed out and they can run against his successor.


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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:33 PM

JONGSSTRAW


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Yep, theSarah announced today that she won't run in 2012.

I wonder if all the R's that are so confident that Obama is in the dumper are really chicken and figure that he'll still pull it off in 2012, so they'll run some palooka against him, and then squabble about who gets to take the real shot in 2016, when he's termed out and they can run against his successor.



I don't know if they're "chicken", maybe. I do agree that Obama will be extremely difficult to beat no matter what the national situation is at election time. Polls which show him now in the 35% range of approval aren't going to mean squat once the real race gets going. The full force and weight of the Obama financial, political and media machine will come down like a rainstorm of Thor hammers on the opposition.








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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 1:38 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Christie out. Palin OUT !

Well then. Whatever's left is what we've got.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:00 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Say Obama wins in 2012...

Who's that leave to follow him in 2016? BIDEN?! Are you freaking kidding me?!

I still wish liberals and progressives had someone they could vote for.

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 5:40 PM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Say Obama wins in 2012...

Who's that leave to follow him in 2016? BIDEN?! Are you freaking kidding me?!

I still wish liberals and progressives had someone they could vote for.



Mike,

If Obama wins in 2012, I'm not sure there will be a 2016 election. Not sure there will be a United States.

I'm certain that Obama will win, but I just want Ron Paul to stand for the message before losing. After all, whoever is in power can cheat. You know Clinton hated Gore and Bush hated McCain, if you were me you'd say this hand-over by chosen successor has been going on since 1992 (I think Bush Sr. actually wanted to win.)

So, Obama will choose a republican to succeed him. JEB. And Hillary will be the democrat. But the real question is what will the winner get?



That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, October 6, 2011 3:26 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


Christie - out/Palin - out. When were they ever in? Speaking of media blitz, which was all this ever was for both "candidates," it shows that they're nobody's fool. Their only platform was anti-Obama. Neither had any real solutions or they would have actually run.
Let's say that they run and actually win (the apocalypse will not be televised), then what! Both claim Big government is too big, but neither has any idea how to turn this country around. When people see them for the phonies they really are; when the country finally tanks under their leadership - who could they blame? They want Obama to win so that they can continue in the spotlight. Palin, by charging up the wazoo for speaking engagements; and Christie so that the media will continue to tout him as the second coming for the T party set.

I say this, had either of these "people" had any real solutions for turning things around that would have thrown their hat in the ring. I say also, had they any real solutions and held onto them until elected to the presidency, charge them with treason. Why? Simple, if anyone currently complaining about Obama doing a lousy job in getting our country back to primo status, holds back for political gain they should be shot. Imagine having a great idea to turn things around and not walking into the president's office with the blueprints. It would boggle the mind. So, therefore, the naysayers don't have a clue. They're content with pointing fingers and assigning blame, but real answers and real solutions - nuh uh!


SGG

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Thursday, October 6, 2011 3:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Shiny, you're probably right about no solutions...but neither do the current slate of candidates. As for those two, "When were they ever in?" is about it.

While I don't think any of them DO have a viable solution, I think even if they had some good ideas, they wouldn't share them. It took me a very long time to accept that the right didn't WANT the country to get better, so that they could take over in 2016, but eventually even I couldn't ignore it. Shocked the hell out of me on one level, on another I guess I wasn't that surprised. If you really think the good of the people is more important than political power, oh, love, I'm sad for you. THEY're set up just fine, thank you, they have no personal stake in improving things, and the bills they've passed and tried to pass make it pretty damned clear what their intent was all along. "Get it while you can" then wait for the country to tank even worse in the hopes the people will buy whatever candidate they put up, no matter how inappropriate.

And yes, I DO wish WE had some kind of option. I wished that back three years ago... Tho' maybe we couldn't do any better...anyone who wants the Presidency at this point in history IS crazy, so I guess the Republican bunch are perfectly representative of what's happening.


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Thursday, October 6, 2011 6:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


We all (well, those of us with two brain cells to rub together anway) knew this ages ago, but here it is:
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Palin isn't dumb at all.

In fact, she's pretty smart.

"My decision is based upon a review of what common-sense conservatives and independents have accomplished, especially over the last year," her official statement read. "I believe that at this time I can be more effective in a decisive role to help elect other true public servants to office -- from the nation's governors to congressional seats and the presidency."

In other words, she can continue to influence national politics without having to be responsible for actually making a decision. She can criticize with a broad brush without the burden of contextualizing her statements with detailed, alternate solutions. She's like a performance artist whose opinions are rarely second-guessed, whose tongue is rarely censored. She's rich and famous and essentially has no one to answer to. Her persona is so mesmerizing that her daughter Bristol, a mother at 18, gets paid to talk about abstinence.

We should all be as dumb as Sarah Palin.

Seriously, why would she stop doing what she is doing to seek a thankless job, that pays poorly for the work that it requires? Why turn her back on a public life with little accountability to campaign for a public life in which every decision will be scrutinized.

Politicized.

Criticized.

Obama swatted a fly on television one day back in 2009. The next day, PETA issued a statement asking him to be more humane to animals.

Why would anyone leave a world of hunting moose to enter a world in which killing a fly is worthy of a press release?

It just doesn't make sense.

Palin's critics will say she didn't run because she knew she would lose.

I say she didn't run because of the chance she would win. Palin has been around the political scene enough to know it's a whole lot easier flirting with running for president of the United States than it is being president of the United States.

That's especially true today, thanks in part to her.

You have a better chance of seeing a herd of unicorns grazing in front of the Washington Monument than drama-free bipartisanship in the halls of Congress.

Obama's under fire for a slumping U.S. economy as if he pointed it south or as if the rest of the planet is on solid financial footing. But Palin, who prides herself on being in touch with the heartland, knows Americans are typically not interested in those kind of sausage-making details.

They just want to eat.

So despite the fact it took decades for the country to create the environment that allowed millions of jobs to be ushered out the door, the honeymoon for a new face to turn everything around will be extremely short. In fact, whoever is elected president in the fall of 2012 will probably be raked across the coals for the high unemployment rate by spring of 2013.

This is why Palin probably decided not to run for president months ago -- she was smart enough to know that while she can move the needle and copies of her book, the economy is a whole other beast. And dumping Alaska under the guise of "not putting Alaskans through that" -- as she said in her resignation speech as governor -- worked on the state level, Palin would certainly lose every supporter she has if she tried to walk away from the White House in similar fashion. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/06/opinion/granderson-palin-presidency/inde
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