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What's behind the rise of Cain?
Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:10 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:CNN's latest poll of polls on the GOP race, an average of the three latest national surveys from this week, shows former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney with the support of 20% of likely Republican primary voters. Cain is at 17%, followed by Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 15%. And Cain's rise has apparently come directly at Perry's expense -- "Recent polls show Cain gaining at least 12 points and Perry dropping by about that much," explained CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. The dynamic is not a new one in the GOP White House race. Romney emerged early as the front-runner, but Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann was the early favorite with conservatives and the tea party movement. When Bachmann announced in a CNN debate in June that she was jumping into the race, she surged into second place in most polls. In mid-August, Bachmann won the closely watched Iowa Straw Poll but that was overshadowed by Perry jumping into the race on the same day. Perry jumped to the top of most national polls shortly after getting into the race. But a couple of lackluster debate performances brought him back into the pack. So what's behind a rising Cain? On the surface, the spike in his polling comes on the heels of Perry's meteoric rise and equally meteoric fall. After Perry's shaky showing in a debate in Florida last month, Cain pulled out a surprise win at a Florida GOP straw poll the day after. At the time, GOP activists who voted in the straw poll told CNN they had come ready to vote for Perry but switched to Cain, their second choice in many instances, after Perry faltered in the debate. Cain's biography has an inherent appeal -- especially in these tough economic and fiscal times when faith in government and political leaders is at a low. Cain, who is African-American, is not a career politician -- a fact he frequently touts. Instead, he has a business background and is the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza. And he's a quintessentially self-made man: He comes from modest working-class roots in Atlanta, and attended college and graduate school in computer science before eventually making his way onto the executive track. ..... Recently, Cain hosted his own radio talk show in the Atlanta area, potentially giving him a built-in base of supporters in Atlanta's conservative suburbs. And as his presidential campaign has taken flight, he's promoted his book, "This Is Herman Cain!: My Journey to the White House," which was released Monday. ..... [ Dan Ronayne, who previously worked for the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, and President George W. Bush's re-election campaign]said ..... "there is an appetite for someone who is an outsider and someone who can talk about being a job creator." But, he added, that there is concern among the GOP base about Cain's readiness on policy issues, particularly foreign policy. Earlier this year, Cain stumbled during a discussion about the Middle East peace process when asked a question on Fox News about the Palestinian right of return. He's made controversial comments about Islam and Muslims -- comments which forced him to issue a public apology after a visit with Muslim leaders at a mosque in the Washington metro area. And questions remain about his "9-9-9" plan -- like whether it can generate enough revenue to fund the federal government, whether it is politically viable in the current climate with much concern about funding Social Security and Medicare in the decades to come, and whether Americans will go for the idea of a national sales tax. ..... And, orthodoxy aside, Cain is more outspoken than most of his fellow GOP contenders. "Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said of the growing "Occupy Wall Street" movement in an interview with the Wall Street Journal published Wednesday, "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself." Asked Thursday about those comments during a book signing event, Cain didn't back down. "If you are envious of somebody who happens to be rich, that you call a fat cat, go and get rich," Cain said, "instead of expecting them to walk outside their office and write you a check. That's not the way America works. Work for it!" While Cain may be standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Romney and Perry in recent national polls, he has yet to show either the fundraising muscle or the political organization that are at the disposal of his fellow top-tier rivals. And like Obama before him, Cain may have to negotiate the tricky issue of race as he ascends to the national political stage -- a task made even more treacherous by the GOP's complicated relationship with the African-American community. At this point, one thing is certain: Cain's unique mix of biography, oratory, personality and policy is striking a chord with the GOP base just as the Republican White House field is being clarified by the recent decisions of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin not to seek the party's nod, and by doubts about Perry's readiness. Another certainty? The months ahead before the first votes are cast in the GOP primary race leave plenty of time for the dynamics of the Republican race to change yet again. Cain could fail to consolidate early interest and support with conservatives and see his poll numbers slide as a result, like Bachmann and Perry. "There is an awful long way to go," says Ronayne, who now works in public relations in Washington and isn't currently supporting any candidate in the GOP race. "If this was a movie, we haven't even gotten to the good parts yet. The action is just starting." http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/07/politics/rising-cain/index.html?hpt=hp_bn3
Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:17 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:33 AM
Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:21 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:50 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Again, no wonder Rappy loves the guy!
Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:54 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Again, no wonder Rappy loves the guy!
Saturday, October 8, 2011 9:01 AM
Saturday, October 8, 2011 10:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: He is honest. His reputation is impeccable. Does being honest always translate to being 100% right? Nope. Folks make mistakes, or think their info is accurate, at the time they said it. Doesn't mean they're dishonest, unless they know something to be false at the time they say it, and still try to pass it off as the truth.
Saturday, October 8, 2011 12:32 PM
Quote:Then there are matters of opinion. So many on the Left love to call those who don't agree with them 'liars'. Seriously, get a clue.
Saturday, October 8, 2011 2:15 PM
Saturday, October 8, 2011 6:40 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:56 AM
Sunday, October 9, 2011 5:13 AM
Quote: After completing his master's degree from Purdue, Cain left the Department of the Navy and began working for The Coca-Cola Company in Atlanta as a computer systems analyst. In 1977, he moved to Minneapolis to join Pillsbury, soon becoming director of analysis in its restaurant and foods group in 1978. At age 36, Cain was assigned in the 1980s first to analyze and ultimately to take the reins of Burger King, which at the time was a Pillsbury subsidiary, where he managed 400 stores in the Philadelphia area. Under Cain's leadership, his region went in three years from the least profitable for Burger King to the most profitable. According to a 1987 account in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Pillsbury's then-president Win Wallin said: "He was an excellent bet. Herman always seemed to have his act together.". At Burger King, Cain “established the BEAMER program, which taught our employees, mostly teenagers, how to make our patrons smile” by smiling themselves. It was a success: “Within three months of the program’s initiation, the sales trend was moving steadily higher.” His successes at Burger King prompted Pillsbury to appoint him President and CEO of another subsidiary, Godfather's Pizza. Cain arrived on April 1, 1986, and told employees that, "I'm Herman Cain and this ain't no April Fool's joke. We are not dead. Our objective is to prove to Pillsbury and everyone else that we will survive." Aiming to cut costs, Cain, over a 14-month period, reduced the company from 911 stores to 420.As a result of his efforts, Godfather's Pizza became profitable. In a leveraged buyout in 1988, Cain, Executive Vice-President and COO Ronald B. Gartlan and a group of investors, bought Godfather's from Pillsbury. Cain continued as CEO until 1996, when he resigned. Later in 1996 he became CEO of the National Restaurant Association, a trade group and lobby organization for the restaurant industry, where he had previously been chairman concurrently with his role at Godfather's Pizza. He served there until 1996. Cain became a member of the board of directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City in 1992 and served as its chairman from January 1995 to August 1996, when he resigned to become active in national politics. Cain was a 1996 recipient of the Horatio Alger Award. Cain was on the board of directors of Aquila, Inc. from 1992 to 2008, and also served as a board member for Nabisco, Whirlpool, Reader's Digest, and AGCO, Inc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#Business_career
Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:10 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:29 AM
PHOENIXSHIP
Quote:...most folks like what he's saying. It's as simple as that.
Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:38 AM
Saturday, October 15, 2011 11:44 AM
Quote: Anyone who'd casually dismiss this man, and his body of work as a joke , is so delusional and so willfully ignorant, there'e no hope of ever attempting to reason with them, at all. If the shoe were on the other foot, and I was the one calling anyone w/ so much experience a "joke", I'd be branded a racist and a bigot. Sure would be nice if folks here would drop the partisan glasses and face reality, just once. I know, I dream too much sometimes.
Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Phoenixship: Quote:...most folks like what he's saying. It's as simple as that.
Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Anyone who'd casually dismiss this man, and his body of work as a joke , is so delusional and so willfully ignorant, there'e no hope of ever attempting to reason with them, at all.
Quote: If the shoe were on the other foot, and I was the one calling anyone w/ so much experience a " joke ", I'd be branded a racist and a bigot. Sure would be nice if folks here would drop the partisan glasses and face reality, just once.
Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:16 AM
Quote: Love the Cain man, but some don't think he's doing what's important now, not enough active campaigning in states with early primaries.
Quote: most folks like what he's saying. It's as simple as that
Quote: Cain, who has never held elective office, was the first choice of 27 percent of Republican voters, followed by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney at 23 percent and Perry at 16 percent, the poll found. http://news.yahoo.com/cain-leads-republican-field-nbc-wsj-poll-003958398.html he'd LEADING (at the moment), but that's not "all" by a long shot...just over one quarter.Quote: No, anyone who'd take him seriously is delusional. Oh, look - there's Rappy, right on cue.Hee, hee, hee.
Quote: No, anyone who'd take him seriously is delusional. Oh, look - there's Rappy, right on cue.
Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:48 AM
PENGUIN
Sunday, October 16, 2011 6:38 AM
Quote:Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain has cast himself as the outsider, the pizza magnate with real-world experience who will bring fresh ideas to the nation's capital. But Cain's economic ideas, support and organization have close ties to two billionaire brothers who bankroll right-leaning causes through their group Americans for Prosperity. Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans. The once little-known businessman's political activities are getting fresh scrutiny these days since he soared to the top of some national polls. His links to the Koch brothers could undercut his outsider, non-political image among people who detest politics as usual and candidates connected with the party machine. AFP tapped Cain as the public face of its "Prosperity Expansion Project," and he traveled the country in 2005 and 2006 speaking to activists who were starting state-based AFP chapters from Wisconsin to Virginia. Through his AFP work he met Mark Block, a longtime Wisconsin Republican operative hired to lead that state's AFP chapter in 2005 as he rebounded from an earlier campaign scandal that derailed his career. Block and Cain sometimes traveled together as they built up AFP: Cain was the charismatic speaker preaching the ills of big government; Block was the operative helping with nuts and bolts. When President Barack Obama's election helped spawn the tea party, Cain was positioned to take advantage. He became a draw at growing AFP-backed rallies, impressing activists with a mix of humor and hard-hitting rhetoric against Obama's stimulus, health care and budget policies. Block is now Cain's campaign manager. Other aides who had done AFP work were also brought on board. Cain's spokeswoman Ellen Carmichael, who recently left the campaign, was an AFP coordinator in Louisiana. His campaign's outside law firm is representing AFP in a case challenging Wisconsin campaign finance regulations. At least six other current and former paid employees and consultants for Cain's campaign have worked for AFP in various capacities. And Cain has credited Rich Lowrie, a Cleveland businessman who served on AFP's board of advisors from 2005 to 2008, with being a key economic adviser and with helping to develop his plan to cut the corporate tax rate to 9 percent, impose a national sales tax of 9 percent and set a flat income tax rate of 9 percent "He's got a national network now that perhaps he wouldn't have had 15 or 20 years ago because of his work with AFP," said Republican Party of Wisconsin Vice Chair Brian Schimming, who has introduced Cain at events in Wisconsin. "For a presidential candidate, that's obviously helpful to have." He said Cain was smart to hire Block. Cain's recent victories in straw polls in Florida and Minnesota highlight the importance of organizing supporters and Block, who has a deep network in the tea party, "gets that side of it," Schimming said. But Block has had his problems as well. He settled a suit in 2001 accusing him of illegally coordinating a Wisconsin Supreme Court justice's re-election with an outside group. Block agreed to pay $15,000 and sit out of politics for three years. While Cain is quick to promote his career at the helm of the Godfather's Pizza chain, his ties to AFP aren't something the candidate appears eager to highlight. His campaign did not respond to inquiries seeking comment, and Cain does not include his AFP work on his biography on his website. But Cain continues to work with the group. While several other candidates will be at an Iowa Republican Party dinner on Nov. 4, Cain is scheduled to be in Washington mingling with activists at AFP's annual "Defending the American Dream" summit. He is the only confirmed presidential candidate for the event. AFP spokesman Levi Russell said Cain has spoken at dozens of AFP rallies and events over the years to support a number of the group's activities. AFP has often covered his travel expenses or paid a "pretty modest honorarium" but he has not been paid since becoming a presidential candidate, he said. "He's a dynamic, pro-business speaker that connects well with our activists," Russell said. "AFP is a very large organization, and there is a natural overlap between Cain's message of fiscal responsibility and the basic principles that AFP advocates for." A spokeswoman for the Koch brothers did not respond to The Associated Press's request for comment on Cain. To some liberals, Cain's rise with the help of AFP shows the incredible influence that outside groups controlled by super-wealthy individuals with specific agendas can have on the political process./u] "Herman Cain is the first presidential corporate spokes-candidate," said Scot Ross, a liberal activist who leads One Wisconsin Now, which has often mocked AFP as a front group for corporate interests. "The best way to have your issues talked about in the issue debate is to have a candidate in your pocket with snappy comebacks and easily branded policy papers which mask how destructive they would be." AFP's agenda also includes weakening private and public sector unions, opposing environmental regulations and undoing Obama's health care reform law, among other policies. But before the tea party and Obama, Cain worked with AFP on more local issues. In 2006, he campaigned all over Wisconsin in support of a proposed constitutional amendment that would have limited state government spending. A slew of officials and analysts said the plan would have ultimately devastated government services, and the Republican-controlled Legislature eventually backed off it. In a statement announcing Cain's tour, AFP sent out a press release touting his "in-depth understanding of the battle to control out-of-control government taxes and spending." Block promised that Cain was a speaker that activists would not want to miss. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/10/16/AP-Long-ties-to-Koch-brothers-key-to-Cains-campaign.aspx#page1]
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Penguin: 9-9-9 The stupidest idea ever presented...
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Phoenixship: No offense, and it's none of my business, but I think you might need a break from the chat board.
Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Phoenixship: No offense, and it's none of my business, but I think you might need a break from the chat board. Child, per your other post, as well as this one, you'd best take some of your own advice. From your 'we're all just wards of the State, so no one can actually lay claim to accomplishing ANYTHING for themselves ' mindset, you're not thinking clearly.
Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:48 PM
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Monday, October 17, 2011 3:28 PM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Oh, RL, how we haven't missed you...
Quote:Originally posted by Jongsstraw: The Left, and all the Obama media whores are gonna lose their minds beyond comprehension.
Monday, October 17, 2011 3:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: 1) I've never heard PS make that claim.
Quote: 2) You've yet to show us a single person who accomplished EVERYTHING for him- or herself, without the help of others.
Monday, October 17, 2011 6:23 PM
Quote:Posted by Rappy: It's funny to see the Left try to dismiss and belittle the achievements of those who do so much. Unbelievable.
Monday, October 17, 2011 6:41 PM
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