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Who are the Occupy Wall Streeters?

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Sunday, October 9, 2011 11:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


A sampling:


Noah Selwyn, 22, is a student at Community College of Philadephia.


Jon Perez, 50, is unemployed. "I wanted to show my support and represent the black and brown community," he said. "How do you level the playing field? You have to challenge the system. I want our voices to be heard, I want to see change in the policies. We're making history. As subtle as it is, there's a movement afoot and this is how it begins."


Victoria Long, 27, is a restaurant server. "I really think we need to work on the education system," she said. "I would like to have children one day and have those children have good lives. The banks aren't people and don't deserve rights and protection like people."


CNN iReporter Larry Blucher, a stay-at-home dad from New York City, took this photo. "The message is pretty simple from what I see: People are just fed up with where the country is going. I saw quite a few different signs, health care, kids' future. A cross-section of America is involved, could be New York, Detroit or New Mexico. Everyone's bills are getting higher, but they're not getting paid any higher," he said. "When the mainstream media reports on these, they tend to focus on the hippies and punk rockers, but the people I photographed were all ages."


A 50-year-old man, unemployed and homeless. He says he's "protesting against the crooks on Wall Street, the lack of prosecution of the Wall Street criminals. The American government is afraid to prosecute Wall Street tycoons, and they have stolen trillions of dollars from the American people. ... I'm living on the fringe. I feel like it's my civic duty to come down here."


CNN iReporter Howard I. Cannon, a computer scientist from Boston, took this photo. "The crowd seemed very orderly and the tone was nonviolent and educational. There were clearly 'hippie' types in a range of ages but also some ex-businesspeople and some who looked homeless. They mostly seem to want government money to flow to the disadvantaged and displaced rather than to the big banks and corporations," he said. "The general sense I get is that they want change in the status quo, that this group can peacefully catalyze change, and for that change to help the underclasses."


CNN iReporter Raffe Lazarian, a photographer from Burbank, California, took this picture. "The protest seemed to begin as a show of solidarity for all of the NYC protesters. The majority of people were speaking (out) against corporate bailouts, the Iraq war and the Fed," he said. "For the most part I agree, maybe not with all of the specific issues, but the overall movement is a just and noble cause."


CNN iReporter Aldaberto Ortiz, a former New York schoolteacher who is unemployed and living in Union City, New Jersey, took this picture: "The protesters were demanding debt relief, equal salaries for all, holding the banks accountable for the economical difficulties the people and the country were facing." he said. "There were students, war veterans, Black Bloc anarchists, hippies, punks, professionals, feminists, even tea party supporters. It was a mix representing different subcultures and political groups."


Chilligan, 19, is a computer technician from New York. "It's in our face, it's in the air we breathe, it's everything we eat, it's every term that's coined in our society, these are problems nobody wants to face. ... It's all coming from six companies owning the major media we hear from," he said. "All these people's issues are symptoms of the disease: the centralization of power."

iReporter Trisha Janik, an Internet sales coordinator from Chicago, took this photo: "Being a Saturday, the area was unusually quiet as I walking down Madison Street. Out of seemingly nowhere, I heard chanting and saw a crowd making its way toward me," she said. "There were chants of 'Occupy Chi!' and 'We are the 99 percent!' "


Jeffrey Marx, 34, is a receptionist from New York. "I spent all week reading about it, and I was inspired to come down here and talk to people," he said. "In the time I've been down here I've talked to some of the smartest people I've ever talked to, and some of the kookiest -- and I think both are necessary. I think it's a really fascinating movement."

I didn't read a single thing any of them said with which I disagree. So what does one classify them as? One who is capable of seeing things and making their own decision, that is.

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Sunday, October 9, 2011 11:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


One person's take on it:
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I appeared on a couple of segments on CNN this week where the topic was the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. A question raised was whether this was political. The Republican/tea party spokesperson said yes, arguing that labor unions were behind it (in fact the labor unions did not join until this week). I said it was economic, but political in the sense that you have a political party -- the GOP -- entrenched with the wealthy and Wall Street while doing nothing to protect middle-class America. But I was wrong. It is not economic. And it is not political. It is personal.

Executive pay is now about five times higher than it was in 1980, adjusted for inflation (1). The average salary for the rank-and-file American worker, however, is about the same as it was in 1980 (2). Really? Does American exceptionalism exist only at the top 1% of our workforce? Did our CEOs really get 5 times better than they were in 1980 and our workers remain just ho-hum average? I don't think so. Neither does the rest of America. When there is this kind of disparity while these same CEOs are paying taxes at a rate lower than their secretaries, their receptionists, and the people who clean their offices, it is personal.

When he was chair of the DNC, my former boss, the late Commerce Secretary Ronald H. Brown, used to say in his stump speech that we live in an era where "the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the middle-class got squeezed." This was back in 1992. It could not be truer today. While President Obama has not done things perfectly, he has injected some fairness and balance into the economy to spur growth and job creation. More needs to be done, but his attempts have been met mostly by gridlock and a GOP that only wants to see him fail.

In the meantime, corporate profits are at an all-time high(3), but corporations are paying lower taxes (4) than ever before. Some aren't paying any at all (5). This week, we see banks tacking on extra fees (6) -- which, contrary to what they argue, would lead them to 13% more in profits than they were making before the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act went into effect. At the same time, CEOs, while also making record amounts of money (the average CEO makes $11 million a year while the average person makes $40,000), have laid off millions of Americans while sending our jobs overseas. These are not nameless, faceless Americans. They are our neighbors, our friends and even our families. It is personal.

Republicans continue to protect this twisted system. And to add insult to injury, Republican legislators and the GOP presidential candidates want to eliminate the protections the middle class gained from the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act passed by Democrats and signed by Obama.

Does the crash of 2008 ring a bell? Are Republicans really advocating that the greed of Wall Street be put before the needs of the American people? Yes, and here's why: In the 2010 election cycle, corporations spent over $275 million getting politicians elected and spent almost $3 billion lobbying them (8). While some of those donations went to Democrats, the vast majority went to Republicans. It's no wonder Republicans want less government accountability and more tax giveaways for billionaires and giant companies -- that's what their corporate donors demand. I, for one, take it personally.

Critics scream "class warfare," and decry the attacks on the "job creators," and cry "socialism" as they continue to preserve this unjust system that is giving rise to what could be a powerful and sustained movement.

Here are my answers:

Class warfare? You bet. As Buffett has said so eloquently, this country has been engaged in class warfare for decades, and guess what? His class won. It is now time to stand up and fight for fairness for the middle class and a balanced approach for working-class families, who have labored just as hard as America's top CEOs but have not had the same kind of increases in salary.

On job creators? Who are they? The majority of job creation comes from our small businesses, none of which are raking in the salaries of the top 1% of wealthy Americans. So asking the top 1% of wealthy Americans to pay their fair share and pay at least as high a tax rate as their workers is not class warfare or an attack on "job creators" or socialism. It is in fact the American way. And America agrees.

Meanwhile, in the greatest country in the world, Latino children now rank highest in child poverty rates (9). Latinos and African-Americans suffer from much higher unemployment rates than others.

With all this taken together, is it any wonder that our masses could be giving rise to our own "spring"? While it is no Arab Spring, the movement is spreading. Not economic, not political, but personal. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/08/opinion/cardona-why-occupy/index.html?hp
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(1)

(2)
http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/16/news/economy/middle_class/index.htm

(3) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/business/economy/24econ.html?_r=2&am
p;hp


(4) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/corporate-tax-revenues-ne_n_8
30361.html


(5) "Analysis: 12 Corporations Pay Effective Tax Rate of Negative 1.5% on $171 Billion in Profits; Reap $62.4 Billion in Tax Subsidies.
Exxon Mobil, Boeing, Verizon, Others Illustrate Why Revenue-Raising Reform is Needed." http://www.ctj.org/pdf/12corps060111.pdf

(6) http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/10/06/out-front-bank-fees.cnn

(7) "2011 Executive Pay Watch": http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/

(8) "In total, in the 2010 election, corporate and trade association
contributions accounted for 72 percent of all PAC contributions while labor unions
accounted for 15 percent of all PAC contributions, with business-related PAC spending
at $277 million and labor PACs spending $59 million—a gap of $218 million." http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/04/pdf/unionsmakethe
middleclass.pdf


(9)
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2108/hispanic-children-poverty-recession


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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