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Monday, October 24, 2011 1:00 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:"Heist: Who Stole the American Dream?" Screening and Potluck. Heist reveals how American corporations orchestrated the dismantling of middle-class prosperity through rampant deregulation, the outsourcing of jobs, and tax policies favoring businesses and the wealthy. The collapse of the U.S. economy is the result of conscious choices made over thirty five years by a small group: leaders of corporations and their elected allies, and the biggest lobbying interest in Washington, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. To these individuals, the collapse is not a catastrophe, but rather the planned outcome of their long, patient work. For the rest of the country, it is merely the biggest heist in American history. (2011 Mill Valley Film Festival Official Selection) Followed by a discussion with the filmmaker, Donald Goldmacher. Free admission with an opportunity to contribute to Occupy Marin. How can we build county-wide support and solidarity for this exciting new movement which started with Occupy Wall Street and has reached into communities across the land? Join the great upwelling! This event is open to everyone who's part of the 99%. First United Methodist Church, 9 Ross Valley Drive, San Rafael
Quote: Tao Rodriguez-Seeger was halfway through Friday night’s march down Broadway to support the Occupy Wall Street movement, a guitar strapped over his shoulder and his grandfather Pete Seeger at his side. Suddenly a New York City police officer stepped from the crowd and grabbed his elbow. “Are you Tao Seeger?” the officer asked tersely. “Was this your idea? Did you think of this?” Rodriguez-Seeger, a New Orleans-based musician, was certain arrest was imminent. The officer reached for his hand and he readied for the cuffs. Then something unexpected happened. “He shook my hand and said, ‘Thank you, thank you. This is beautiful,’” Rodriguez-Seeger said. “That really did it for me. The cops recognized what we were about.” http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/8390900-418/pete-seeger-grandson-occupy-wall-street-in-long-tradition-of-activism.html
Monday, October 24, 2011 1:40 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Monday, October 24, 2011 1:43 PM
Monday, October 24, 2011 1:50 PM
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:10 AM
Quote:Good news first! Monday night at 7pm, Occupations from across the nation had a conversation for the very first time. Marin was represented in this conference call of over 100 people from all over the country! The goal was to begin introductions and discuss ways we can begin networking resources. It was a seriously beautiful two hours. There will be more calls scheduled in the very near future to hold a tele-consensus on how to prioritize needs and assets of individual Occupations and begin implementing actions to carry out the tasks required to get our collective goals accomplished. Since the Occupy movement began on September 17th, so much has been accomplished. The good news of Occupy traveled like wildfire and, suddenly, we were everywhere! I can only imagine what is going to come of this bond we are building across the country...
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:14 AM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:59 AM
Friday, October 28, 2011 5:58 AM
Friday, October 28, 2011 6:10 AM
Friday, October 28, 2011 6:16 AM
HERO
Friday, October 28, 2011 7:26 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Occupy Kent in Kent Ohio are protesting small, locally owned businesses. I guess they oppose anyone having a job. H "Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009. "I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.
Friday, October 28, 2011 7:54 AM
PENGUIN
Friday, October 28, 2011 7:56 AM
OLDENGLANDDRY
Friday, October 28, 2011 7:58 AM
Quote:Students at Kent State University are camping out downtown in the rain and bitter October weather for two reasons: to support the local economy and Occupy Wall Street movement. Occupy Kent State started its "occupation" of downtown Kent Thursday to draw attention to the local economy and support the bank protest movement started in Manhattan. Karch Marhofer, one of the Occupy Kent State organizers, said they want to inject the idea of community based economics and supporting local businesses into the national conversation. "What we're doing is responding to the Occupy Wall Street movement ... except in Kent we have different resources, so we're trying to do it in a different way," he said. The student participants set up tents outside three downtown businesses this morning and planned to have tents at a total of eight businesses by the end of the day. The students will camp out until 11 a.m. Saturday morning with signs encouraging passers-by to shop locally. Amanda Boyd, manager of Skullz Salon, said she likes having a tent outside her business. "When you’re trying to support the local economy, you can’t really go wrong," Boyd said. Joe Reino, a member of Occupy Kent State, said Thursday's start to the movement downtown was slow because of the rain. "The people that we have had walk up to us supported us, or they disagree with us in a way that they still support our message ... support the local economy," he said. Marhofer said they timed the three-day occupation downtown to time with Kent's unofficial Halloween celebration to send a message to students and other young people who will be coming downtown Saturday. He said they want to tell students to have fun but respect the community while doing it. "We want to display, or demonstrate, what a respectful relationship looks like between the students and community," he said.
Friday, October 28, 2011 8:00 AM
Friday, October 28, 2011 8:11 AM
Quote:Ronan McNern, from OLSX, said: "We have requested that the Corporation of London and others engage in open dialogue with us and Liberty has offered to facilitate and mediate it. "But the corporation showed their determination to take us down a long, costly legal battle at a time when public services are being cut."
Quote:St Paul's weeklong closure and the turmoil surrounding the cathedral and the resignation of its Canon Chancellor Giles Fraser has sparked fierce debate about the wider Church's own mission to the poor and oppressed. Isn't it - ask the campaigners - supposed to be a movement of people dedicated to the marginalized and disadvantaged?
Quote:St Paul's protest: Canon Chancellor Giles Fraser quits Dr Fraser says he could not support any move by the church to use "violence". ..... The Church of England should do nothing which could "lead to violence" against anti-capitalism protesters, the canon chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral has said after resigning from his post. Dr Giles Fraser quit "with great regret and sadness", having been sympathetic to activists camping in the churchyard. He told the BBC he hoped a solution between the two sides would be negotiated, rather than enforced. ..... Dr Fraser, who was a former vicar of Putney, had taken up the cathedral post, a Crown appointment, in 2009. "This is not a simple issue and I don't think anybody is trying to claim moral high ground on this at all," he said. ..... Ronan McNern from OLSX said Dr Giles was a "man of principles" and activists were "very grateful for the respect and support" he had shown them by defending their right to protest. "The fact that he has resigned shows a clear split within the cathedral." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15472362 a shame.
Friday, October 28, 2011 8:18 AM
WULFENSTAR
http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg
Friday, October 28, 2011 8:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: How can you possibly turn that into what he said??
Friday, October 28, 2011 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Wulfenstar: Hate to say this, cus I do actually like when people get together... Your "movement" has failed. Any ideology, based on redistribution, communism, or socialism simply cannot work in a country of individualistic people. China? India? North Korea? Your ideas might go over. (but if not... you think what happened to the Oakland people was bad... wooboy...) However, here? In America? The ideology of the free individual is much too strong. In fact, these "occupations" have had the opposite effect intended. They actually LOOK like OCCUPATIONS. Not of some benevolent group, but rather hedonistic, socialistic, anarchistic, spoiled malcontents. This will not end well. "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
Friday, October 28, 2011 9:18 AM
Quote:In fact, these "occupations" have had the opposite effect intended
Quote:Substantially more Americans agree than disagree with the goals of the Occupy Wall Street movement, according to a new poll. And nearly two-thirds say wealth should be distributed more equitably. More at http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/poll-more-agree-disagree-occupy-wall-street-goals-141203055.html Jerseyans taking part in the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York City or a related demonstration in Philadelphia have the support of the state’s voters by a margin of 46 to 29 percent, according to a Fairleigh Dickinson University PublicMind poll published Thursday. Meanwhile, 4 of 5 voters (81 percent) are following the protests, with 3 of 5 (62 percent) saying they’ve heard “a great deal” about them. “Sympathy for the Wall Street protesters is a direct reflection of voters’ general dissatisfaction with the direction of the country,” Prof. Peter Woolley, the poll‘s director, said. “Something broke and voters know that whatever it was, it hasn’t been fixed.” Sympathy for the movement cuts across gender, age and education. Men and women, both young and old voters, high school-educated and those with graduate degrees support the protests in equal proportions. But support for the movement does reflect partisan splits. Democrats support it by the wide margin of 6 to 1 (68 to 11 percent), and Republicans oppose it by 2 to 1 (53 to 23 percent). Similarly, self-described liberals support it by about 9 to 1 (70 to 8 percent) and conservatives condemn it by almost 2 to 1 (50 to 28 percent). More at http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/poll-nj-voters-support-occupy-wall-street week, another poll which suggests that a majority of New Yorkers agree with schoolchildren, tourists and Al Gore in supporting Occupy Wall Street—and even those who don't support it are understanding OWS's message. According to the new Quinnipiac poll, 58 - 28 percent agree with the views of the Wall Street protesters, and 60 percent understand the protesters' views "fairly well" or "very well." "Most New Yorkers, even upstaters and suburban voters, say they get the Wall Street protesters' message," Carroll said. "And by 2-1, voters agree with the complaints about bankers and Wall Streeters," said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. An overwhelming four out of five voters support the protesters' right to demonstrate. Carroll added that, "There's wide approval for the one specific message that's being heard Downtown—support for a continued state 'Millionaire's Tax.'" Of course, these are very similar results to Quinnipiac's last poll, Reuters/Ipsos's poll the week before that. http://gothamist.com/2011/10/27/new_yorkers_get_occupy_wall_streetw.php over a month of demonstrations, numerous dismissals, and thousands of arrests, Occupy Wall Street is gaining momentum. Over the last two weeks, polls have poured in revealing that Americans familiar with the protests largely support them. And since that familiarity will continue to increase. ..... Oct. 9-10 Time Magazine/Abt SRBI: This poll showed a 54 percent favorable rating of OWS, compared to a mere 27 percent thumbs up for the Tea Party. The same poll revealed a strong support for grievances associated with the movement. 86 percent of Americans polled thought that "Wall Street and lobbyists have too much influence in Washington"; 79 percent said that "the gap between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is too large"; 71 percent wanted prosecutions for "executives of financial institutions responsible for the financial meltdown in 2008"; and 68 percent believed that "the rich should pay more in taxes." Echoing the sense of alienation expressed by OWS protesters, 60 percent of respondents said that "the political debate in Washington and the media" does not represent their concerns. More at http://www.alternet.org/story/152847/4_polls_that_show_occupy_wall_street_is_just_getting_started FauxNews thought they'd indoctrinated their viewers so it was safe to do a poll. Ooops:Quote:Fox News Poll on Occupy Wall Street Backfires Fox News on Occupy Protests: "Creepy Criminals" On October 7th, FoxNews.com launched a survey titled “Do ‘Occupy Wall Street’ protesters represent your views about the nation’s economic problems?” Considering the type of coverage Fox has been giving the events in Zuccotti Park, we imagine they were pretty confident that the majority of their readers would answer “No.” Unfortunately (for FoxNews.com), this is the Internet, and word of this poll spread quickly. Here’s what we’re currently looking at: Out of over 198,000 votes, more than 137,000 voted that Occupy Wall Street protesters represented how they felt about the nation’s economic problems. This isn’t a fluke: Reddit put out a call to arms four days ago, as did The Daily Kos. The only question now is how Fox keeps the poll up, and how hard they will try to bury this data afterwards. Or perhaps Conservatives will rally on their social networking sites and bring their numbers back up? http://www.observer.com/2011/10/fox-news-web-poll-on-occupy-wall-street-sentiment-backfires/: Blue Collar Whites Support Occupy Wall Street The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent notes that the latest polls from United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection and Time Magazine find that working class whites are in support of the Occupy Wall Street protests, rebuking the conventional wisdom that the protests only have the support of fringe political activists and hard-core leftists: In the National Journal poll, 56 percent of non-college-educated whites agree with the protesters; only 31 percent disagree. In the Time poll, 54 percent of non-college-educated men, and 48 percent of non-college educated women, view the protests favorably. (That’s roughly 51 percent overall.) Meanwhile,only 29 percent of non-college-educated men, and only 19 percent of non-college-educated women, disagree. (That’s roughly 23 percent.) More at http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/20/348792/poll-blue-collar-whites-support-occupy-wall-street/ Poll Shows Americans Support Occupy Wall Street, Can’t Stand Tea Party The Occupy Wall Street movement has exploded all over the country as Americans have gathered together to voice their anger at the top 1% who have continued to rob America. According to new NBC/Wall Street Journal and TIME magazine polls, the Occupy Wall Street movement has become more popular than the destructive Tea Party. The polls show an average support of 46% for the Occupy Wall Street movement, while showing only 27% support for the Tea Party. In addition, only 20% of all Americans oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement at the same time nearly double, at 38%, feel negatively about the Tea Party. More at http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/13/new-poll-shows-americans-support-occupy-wall-street-cant-stand-tea-party/ the few polls who try to paint a different picture are having a tough time:Quote:Poll: U.S. split over ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement Nearly as many Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street “movement as oppose it, but the ongoing demonstration is still more popular than the tea party, according to a new Pew Research/Washington Post poll. According to the survey of 1,009 adults, 39 percent of Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street” movement. Nearly the same amount, 35 percent, say they oppose it. In contrast, 32 percent of Americans support the tea party movement and 44 percent oppose it. More at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/poll-u-s-split-over-occupy-wall-street-movement/, that's the only one I coud find that put it that low...and naturally, that's the one CBS picked up on! Polls alone mean nothing, as we've agreed before. But this MANY polls with the same result are awfully hard to argue against. So you might try getting with reality, for a change. Or not; I know how much you dislike reality.
Quote:Fox News Poll on Occupy Wall Street Backfires Fox News on Occupy Protests: "Creepy Criminals" On October 7th, FoxNews.com launched a survey titled “Do ‘Occupy Wall Street’ protesters represent your views about the nation’s economic problems?” Considering the type of coverage Fox has been giving the events in Zuccotti Park, we imagine they were pretty confident that the majority of their readers would answer “No.” Unfortunately (for FoxNews.com), this is the Internet, and word of this poll spread quickly. Here’s what we’re currently looking at: Out of over 198,000 votes, more than 137,000 voted that Occupy Wall Street protesters represented how they felt about the nation’s economic problems. This isn’t a fluke: Reddit put out a call to arms four days ago, as did The Daily Kos. The only question now is how Fox keeps the poll up, and how hard they will try to bury this data afterwards. Or perhaps Conservatives will rally on their social networking sites and bring their numbers back up? http://www.observer.com/2011/10/fox-news-web-poll-on-occupy-wall-street-sentiment-backfires/: Blue Collar Whites Support Occupy Wall Street The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent notes that the latest polls from United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection and Time Magazine find that working class whites are in support of the Occupy Wall Street protests, rebuking the conventional wisdom that the protests only have the support of fringe political activists and hard-core leftists: In the National Journal poll, 56 percent of non-college-educated whites agree with the protesters; only 31 percent disagree. In the Time poll, 54 percent of non-college-educated men, and 48 percent of non-college educated women, view the protests favorably. (That’s roughly 51 percent overall.) Meanwhile,only 29 percent of non-college-educated men, and only 19 percent of non-college-educated women, disagree. (That’s roughly 23 percent.) More at http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/20/348792/poll-blue-collar-whites-support-occupy-wall-street/ Poll Shows Americans Support Occupy Wall Street, Can’t Stand Tea Party The Occupy Wall Street movement has exploded all over the country as Americans have gathered together to voice their anger at the top 1% who have continued to rob America. According to new NBC/Wall Street Journal and TIME magazine polls, the Occupy Wall Street movement has become more popular than the destructive Tea Party. The polls show an average support of 46% for the Occupy Wall Street movement, while showing only 27% support for the Tea Party. In addition, only 20% of all Americans oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement at the same time nearly double, at 38%, feel negatively about the Tea Party. More at http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/13/new-poll-shows-americans-support-occupy-wall-street-cant-stand-tea-party/ the few polls who try to paint a different picture are having a tough time:Quote:Poll: U.S. split over ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement Nearly as many Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street “movement as oppose it, but the ongoing demonstration is still more popular than the tea party, according to a new Pew Research/Washington Post poll. According to the survey of 1,009 adults, 39 percent of Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street” movement. Nearly the same amount, 35 percent, say they oppose it. In contrast, 32 percent of Americans support the tea party movement and 44 percent oppose it. More at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/poll-u-s-split-over-occupy-wall-street-movement/, that's the only one I coud find that put it that low...and naturally, that's the one CBS picked up on! Polls alone mean nothing, as we've agreed before. But this MANY polls with the same result are awfully hard to argue against. So you might try getting with reality, for a change. Or not; I know how much you dislike reality.
Quote:Poll: U.S. split over ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement Nearly as many Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street “movement as oppose it, but the ongoing demonstration is still more popular than the tea party, according to a new Pew Research/Washington Post poll. According to the survey of 1,009 adults, 39 percent of Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street” movement. Nearly the same amount, 35 percent, say they oppose it. In contrast, 32 percent of Americans support the tea party movement and 44 percent oppose it. More at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/poll-u-s-split-over-occupy-wall-street-movement/, that's the only one I coud find that put it that low...and naturally, that's the one CBS picked up on! Polls alone mean nothing, as we've agreed before. But this MANY polls with the same result are awfully hard to argue against. So you might try getting with reality, for a change. Or not; I know how much you dislike reality.
Friday, October 28, 2011 11:01 AM
Friday, October 28, 2011 11:25 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote:"Most NY'ers support Wall St. protest"
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