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The sex abuse scandal is bigger than Penn State
Monday, November 14, 2011 6:14 PM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:29 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:44 AM
JONGSSTRAW
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:53 AM
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:10 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Well yeah, there's that - hell the sexual exploitation within youth sports programs of ANY kind has been an open-secret for as long as the abuse in the Catholic Church was (ironic: one of their primary investigators was recently busted as part of an illegal porn roundup, AGAIN.) and just as with that it's not proving it happens so much as getting anyone to freakin CARE. That said, with the Pennsylvania situation, in all honesty the whole Sandusky/sports issue is a bloody sideshow and one I wish wasn't taking up so much attention and putting the focus off to one side - one might say the brighter the light, the deeper the shadows where it ain't shining... This... this is something else, something darker, and the primary (but not only) connection so far is that missing DA, and chances of finding a body are minimal - more interesting is an administrative anomoly since anything government related involves paperwork out the ass and so when files are removed someone with access and ability can easily see the gaps and determine in at least a general sense what those files mighta been, you see. And that's got shit to do with Penn State, the M.O. is all wrong, too professional and they had no reason or motive - likely he tripped something else while digging and wound up turfed as a result. There's also some ties still with the notoriously corrupt Cuyohoga County prosecutors office, which he was rather encouraged to leave at one time for reasons unknown. Oh, and the name of one Thomos A Pavlinic keeps popping up too - which bears watching. More data when available. -F
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:52 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Rugby-coach-arrested/Mbbrfea_-EmnaT3h3Ke0JQ.cspx Tip of the ice berg. Get ready, it's all going to come out now.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:01 AM
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 10:07 AM
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:20 PM
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: But yeah that guy's a sleaze, there's certain ways to say things in the legal profession, the method in which one words claims and advertisements, you see - and essentially this translates to "We'll get you off no matter how guilty you are!" instead of "If you're innocent, have no fear." - critical difference with this, many lawyers if they KNOW you are guilty, either take a different tack with the case or refuse to take it, in regards to this sorta thing... even evil has standards, right ?
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:59 PM
Quote:"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." H.L.Mencken
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:39 PM
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 5:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I responded to the confidentiality thing, I think it's a load of bull that we give CPS the benefit of the doubt. They are public servants. They are not allowed to operate with no transparency. If they must, if there are privacy issues to consider, they can use TACT, but the blue code on their part is unacceptable. Heck, the blue code in ANY public service organization is unacceptable. ^This. And it's becoming the norm. Ask about our security theater apparatus, and you'll get shouted down with claims that you can't know about it, because of "NATIONAL SECURITY!" And it's spreading through every agency, bit by bit. You can't know about CPS because of confidentiality issues. You can't film the police because they passed a law that says you can't. Rather than just do their fucking jobs the right way in the first place, the norm now is to just make it illegal for you to ask if they're breaking the law.
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: I responded to the confidentiality thing, I think it's a load of bull that we give CPS the benefit of the doubt. They are public servants. They are not allowed to operate with no transparency. If they must, if there are privacy issues to consider, they can use TACT, but the blue code on their part is unacceptable. Heck, the blue code in ANY public service organization is unacceptable.
Quote:I've been to Family Court a few times over the years, but it was never a place where I felt at home. Everything about it felt wrong, from the essential absence of anything remotely resembling rights, to the way everyone in the room talked down to children as if they existed so every adult in the room could lecture them. The one aspect of Family Court that I never gave much thought was that the courtrooms were closed. Closed courtrooms in criminal court are bad, where the constitutional right to a public trial is violated by the secret happenings behind closed doors. The only time they were allowed to throw everybody out and close the courtroom was when the undercover took the stand, and then only when he remained active and could articulate a threat, either to him or his assignment. When the prosecutor asked that the courtroom be closed, we fought it. No star chamber would be allowed without a fight. Somehow, this never translated to Family Court. I never gave it any thought, as it seemed appropriate when the subject was children that their identities not be made public, that their future not be burned for something that happened when they thought like a child. I was wrong.
Quote:But it isn't all that was happening in Luzerne County, as unbelievable as that may seem. This place is a judicial cesspool, and the only reason there hasn't been an overwhelming outcry is that Ciavarella and Conahan were such outrageous criminals that they dwarf pretty much any other impropriety one can think of. That doesn't make Judge Michael T. Toole look any better, however, and it would be wrong to ignore his misconduct just because it didn't rise to the level of his fellow judges. *** And if this plain vanilla corruption isn't enough to make you angry, consider this: Toole entered into his plea agreement on September 25, yet continued to sit on the bench as a judge. Let that one sink in. The judge signed a plea agreement and continued as a judge for months.
Quote:The decision means all convictions within that time frame will be vacated and the records of the juveniles expunged, or erased. Prosecutors also were barred from retrying any juveniles other than those that remain incarcerated or owe restitution or fines. *** That leaves about 100 cases that may be reopened - serious offenses in which the defendant was represented by counsel, and is either still incarcerated or involved in the juvenile justice system through probation, treatment, or unpaid fines or restitution. *** Though it's likely true that there were guilty amongst the abused innocent or trivial cases that resulted in incarceration, the District Attorney's argument is disingenuous. Where was Carroll's concern for justice when Ciavarella and Conahan were tossing kids in jail for staying out past curfew? Their scheme went on for five years right in front of the District Attorney's nose, and no one gave a damn. Now they are true seekers of justice? Too little too late. *** While the effort to retry these children doesn't come after an acquittal, it does come after a "travesty of justice" dismissal and vacation of the convictions. That these scum judges crimes have reduced every case before them to a nullity, the children who remain under court supervision aren't to blame for the fact that these judges were able to perpetrate their crimes for years without interference from the District Attorney.
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