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This pretty much sums up my views towards Obama...
Monday, January 16, 2012 2:01 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Capitalism is not the source of our problems, as an economy or as a society, and capitalists are not the scourge that they are too often made out to be. As a group, we employ many millions of taxpaying people, pay their salaries, provide them with healthcare coverage, start new companies, found new industries, create new products, fill store shelves at Christmas, and keep the wheels of commerce and progress (and indeed of government, by generating the income whose taxation funds it) moving. To frame the debate as one of rich-and-entitled versus poor-and-dispossessed is to both miss the point and further inflame an already incendiary environment. It is also a naked, political pander to some of the basest human emotions - a strategy, as history teaches, that never ends well for anyone but totalitarians and anarchists. With due respect, Mr. President, it's time for you to throttle-down the partisan rhetoric and appeal to people's better instincts, not their worst. Rather than assume that the wealthy are a monolithic, selfish and unfeeling lot who must be subjugated by the force of the state, set a tone that encourages people of good will to meet in the middle. When you were a community organizer in Chicago, you learned the art of waging a guerilla campaign against a far superior force. But you've graduated from that milieu and now help to set the agenda for that superior force. You might do well at this point to eschew the polarizing vernacular of political militancy and become the transcendent leader you were elected to be. You are likely to be far more effective, and history is likely to treat you far more kindly for it. Sincerely, Leon G. Cooperman Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Monday, January 16, 2012 2:33 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Capitalism is not the source of our problems, as an economy or as a society, and capitalists are not the scourge that they are too often made out to be. As a group, we employ many millions of taxpaying people, pay their salaries, provide them with healthcare coverage, start new companies, found new industries, create new products, fill store shelves at Christmas, and keep the wheels of commerce and progress (and indeed of government, by generating the income whose taxation funds it) moving. To frame the debate as one of rich-and-entitled versus poor-and-dispossessed is to both miss the point and further inflame an already incendiary environment. It is also a naked, political pander to some of the basest human emotions - a strategy, as history teaches, that never ends well for anyone but totalitarians and anarchists. With due respect, Mr. President, it's time for you to throttle-down the partisan rhetoric and appeal to people's better instincts, not their worst. Rather than assume that the wealthy are a monolithic, selfish and unfeeling lot who must be subjugated by the force of the state, set a tone that encourages people of good will to meet in the middle. When you were a community organizer in Chicago, you learned the art of waging a guerilla campaign against a far superior force. But you've graduated from that milieu and now help to set the agenda for that superior force. You might do well at this point to eschew the polarizing vernacular of political militancy and become the transcendent leader you were elected to be. You are likely to be far more effective, and history is likely to treat you far more kindly for it. Sincerely, Leon G. Cooperman Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Monday, January 16, 2012 2:43 PM
Monday, January 16, 2012 3:00 PM
HKCAVALIER
Monday, January 16, 2012 3:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: *cough* Medicare *cough* HKCavalier Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Monday, January 16, 2012 3:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I think you need to read the excerpt again, and then read the whole letter. And yes, a State run healthcare system IS a " radical " idea, and absolutely will destroy this country.
Monday, January 16, 2012 4:00 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:51 PM
PHOENIXSHIP
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Phoenixship: State-run medical care will destroy this country? You mean like veterans get? "Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?" Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:57 AM
BYTEMITE
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:00 AM
Quote:Really? Is America too backward to run its own public health system?
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:02 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Read the article, thought it was a lot of baseless weaseling. For a start, capitalism does not "employ" a lot of people, it UNemploys them. It doesn't "pay" them, it rips them off so that a very few can get immensely wealthy. It doesn't create products and services... people do. There is nothing in this article about capitalism that can't be done better without it. Except, of course, create a class of oligarchs. Capitalism is very good at that! Now, defend the article point by point, rappy. If you can.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:10 AM
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Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:21 AM
STORYMARK
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:40 AM
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Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: How do I explain Walmart/Apple/(insert name here)? You mean a corporation that's surviving on the backs of so many working in near slave labor conditions ? I don't think Walmart/Apple/(insert name here) is in as great shape as some would have us believe.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Love N. Euro socialist countries so much? Move there. Think Germany's economy is so amazing ? Thank OUR military budget, which pretty much pays for their success. Too much reality for you ?
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Don't like those places? Don't shop there. Don't work there.
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:48 PM
Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Don't like those places? Don't shop there. Don't work there. You convenietly ignore that in most town with stores like Walmart, smaller shops are driven out of business, and there IS nowhere else to shop. "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: But too many words for rappy. Makes his head hurt.
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