Fifty years ago, the U.S. put a man in earth orbit... by Geezer

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Fifty years ago, the U.S. put a man in earth orbit...

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Monday, February 20, 2012 12:51 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

...today, we can't.

Damn.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 20, 2012 12:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Sure we can... we just have to hitch a ride w/ the Russians, or the Chinese.

But don't worry. Obama has given clear and bold instructions to NASA... make Muslims feel good about themselves !

"One, he wanted me to help reinspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math, and engineering."

So, we got THAT going for us, which is nice.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 20, 2012 1:10 PM

HERO

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Originally posted by Geezer:
...today, we can't.

Damn.

I'm sure the US can by a ticket from that guy who built that Spaceplane.

And we can always strap you to the nose of one of our big heavy lift rockets. It will get you to space...the rest of up to you.

I note for the record that we could also put women in orbit...but reentry has always been difficult.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Monday, February 20, 2012 1:14 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Hero:
I note for the record that we could also put women in orbit...but reentry has always been difficult.

H
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Christa McAuliffe disagrees

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 20, 2012 1:21 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think I better understand the term "race to the bottom."

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Monday, February 20, 2012 2:41 PM

FIVVER

Yeah, it only took us 25 years to go from Omaha Beach to Tranquility Base. Now?

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Monday, February 20, 2012 5:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Hero:
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Originally posted by Geezer:
...today, we can't.

Damn.

I'm sure the US can by a ticket from that guy who built that Spaceplane.

That doesn't get you into orbit, though, does it? As I've said before, if private industry does everything better than government, why has no corporation put a man on the Moon? Why has no corporation put a human into orbit more quickly than NASA did?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 20, 2012 5:12 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
As I've said before, if private industry does everything better than government, why has no corporation put a man on the Moon? Why has no corporation put a human into orbit more quickly than NASA did?

Probably because until recently, the government was the one throwing megabucks at the companies with the tech to do those things, so no private concern could get into the race. Also, the government was the only entity who could certify manned spacecraft, and they were interested in keeping a monopoly for quite a while.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, February 20, 2012 7:08 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
As I've said before, if private industry does everything better than government, why has no corporation put a man on the Moon? Why has no corporation put a human into orbit more quickly than NASA did?

Probably because until recently, the government was the one throwing megabucks at the companies with the tech to do those things, so no private concern could get into the race. Also, the government was the only entity who could certify manned spacecraft, and they were interested in keeping a monopoly for quite a while.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

And yet, even with the deregulation of space, if you will, and even with the availability of the knowledge of HOW to do it (something NASA and the original Mercury Seven astronauts really weren't all that certain of when they tried it) and the background research all done, and billions (if not TRILLIONS) of times more computing power, here we are steadfastly NOT gaining ground in the race for private space exploration.

From the first person into space to the first person to orbit the Earth is a certain benchmark, one that private companies have failed to meet or better. From first orbit to first steps on the Moon is another benchmark; think any corporation will put a man there in the next 7.5 years?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:47 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet, even with the deregulation of space, if you will, and even with the availability of the knowledge of HOW to do it (something NASA and the original Mercury Seven astronauts really weren't all that certain of when they tried it) and the background research all done, and billions (if not TRILLIONS) of times more computing power, here we are steadfastly NOT gaining ground in the race for private space exploration.

You know the answer as well as I do, Mike. We're not gaining in private space exploration because the government isn't putting money into it, like other countries are providing for their "private" space programs.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 2:59 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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And yet, even with the deregulation of space, if you will, and even with the availability of the knowledge of HOW to do it (something NASA and the original Mercury Seven astronauts really weren't all that certain of when they tried it) and the background research all done, and billions (if not TRILLIONS) of times more computing power, here we are steadfastly NOT gaining ground in the race for private space exploration.

You know the answer as well as I do, Mike. We're not gaining in private space exploration because the government isn't putting money into it, like other countries are providing for their "private" space programs.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

And thanks for saying it, Geezer. There ARE some things that governments do better, and there ARE some "welfare" and "bailout" programs that seem worthwhile, aren't there?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:56 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sure we can... we just have to hitch a ride w/ the Russians, or the Chinese.

Gotta remember, the Russkies were ahead of us then, too. They'd already put several guys in orbit before we launched John Glenn.

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:44 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And yet, even with the deregulation of space, if you will, and even with the availability of the knowledge of HOW to do it (something NASA and the original Mercury Seven astronauts really weren't all that certain of when they tried it) and the background research all done, and billions (if not TRILLIONS) of times more computing power, here we are steadfastly NOT gaining ground in the race for private space exploration.

You know the answer as well as I do, Mike. We're not gaining in private space exploration because the government isn't putting money into it, like other countries are providing for their "private" space programs.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

And thanks for saying it, Geezer. There ARE some things that governments do better, and there ARE some "welfare" and "bailout" programs that seem worthwhile, aren't there?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Hello,

I think you'll find a lot of people who would choke on their morning cereal at the notion that Outer Space is a worthy Welfare program. You can tell this is the case because our democratic society is not clamoring en masse to throw people into the stars. Rather, they're clamoring for jobs and health care and even wealth distribution in some cases- all in more numbers than space exploration.

Incidentally, this is the same reason private corporations aren't tossing astronauts onto Mars at the moment. The cost-benefit analysis doesn't warrant it, yet. Nobody is paying to go, yet. Corps are going to take baby steps, ensuring profitability at each step of the way along the ladder to the beyond.

When private industry finally does put us into spaceships and colonies, it will make the future look like Aliens, minus the aliens. Not like Star Trek.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:33 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

My response would be "because we're not who we were fifty years ago". Priorities have changed, and not for the better, as we all know.

And yes, it's pleasant to have people recognize that there are some things government will invest in that private enterprise WOULDN'T...and along with that, all the things private enterprise has GAINED because government put the money into it. Like Tang, way back then, right up to Memory Foam now...

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:41 AM

FREMDFIRMA

There's also that the notion of people out of range of their jackboots, clubs and guns completely horrifies the powers that be...

Not to mention, yanno, them self-same people of the type who might WANT to be out of that range, sitting on top of their gravity well with a couple of rocks.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 9:52 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Niki2:
And yes, it's pleasant to have people recognize that there are some things government will invest in that private enterprise WOULDN'T...and along with that, all the things private enterprise has GAINED because government put the money into it. Like Tang, way back then, right up to Memory Foam now...

We didn't go to the moon so folks could have TANG, Velcro or Memory Foam.

Good grief!

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:14 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
And yes, it's pleasant to have people recognize that there are some things government will invest in that private enterprise WOULDN'T...and along with that, all the things private enterprise has GAINED because government put the money into it. Like Tang, way back then, right up to Memory Foam now...

We didn't go to the moon so folks could have TANG, Velcro or Memory Foam.

Good grief!

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello,

Who said we went to the moon so folks could have Tang, Velcro, or Memory Foam?

Niki said that's what industry gained as a byproduct of the effort. And that's the least of what industry gained. Pushing the envelope of what is possible required the development of countless technologies, including the miniaturization of computers.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:21 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Not to mention SPACE RAM - which many consider the now deified Momofuku Andos finest moment.
Anti-gravity ramen hits space
http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/anti-gravity-ramen-hits-space-
1.249374

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On hand for the unveiling of Space Ram in Osaka was Nissin founder Momofuku Ando, who invented the world's first instant noodle in 1958 and came up with the noodles-in-a-cup version in 1971.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:55 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
And yes, it's pleasant to have people recognize that there are some things government will invest in that private enterprise WOULDN'T...and along with that, all the things private enterprise has GAINED because government put the money into it. Like Tang, way back then, right up to Memory Foam now...

We didn't go to the moon so folks could have TANG, Velcro or Memory Foam.

Good grief!

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello,

Who said we went to the moon so folks could have Tang, Velcro, or Memory Foam?

Niki said that's what industry gained as a byproduct of the effort. And that's the least of what industry gained. Pushing the envelope of what is possible required the development of countless technologies, including the miniaturization of computers.

--Anthony

I'd love to hear Rappy's reasons for WHY we went to the Moon. Too bad he won't list them, since I'm not worth him wasting his time.

Y'know how Rappy insists that others argue with him just because of who he is, rather than because of what he's said? This is a prime example of him doing exactly that - he's arguing with something Niki *DIDN'T* say, just because she's Niki.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 1:59 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Not to mention SPACE RAM - which many consider the now deified Momofuku Andos finest moment.
Anti-gravity ramen hits space
http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/anti-gravity-ramen-hits-space-
1.249374
Quote:
On hand for the unveiling of Space Ram in Osaka was Nissin founder Momofuku Ando, who invented the world's first instant noodle in 1958 and came up with the noodles-in-a-cup version in 1971.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

Ramen has its place, but a low-cal diet ain't it! :)

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:49 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by Geezer:
...today, we can't.

Damn.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

I know dude. That was a totally wicked stage for circa-whenver-the-hell-before-i-was-born!!!!!

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:47 PM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ramen has its place, but a low-cal diet ain't it! :)

Well yeah, but it was Ando's INTENTIONS which caused him to be Deified.

Quote:
"Peace will come to the world when the people have enough to eat."

He wanted to produce a food product which could be made anywhere, by anyone, regardless of culinary skill or equipment, AND was negligable in price.

I rather think many a college student has worshipped at that altar whether knowingly or not.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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