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Wireless Crunch

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
UPDATED: Friday, February 24, 2012 07:45
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Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:11 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Over the past several weeks, I have seen numerous articles about wireless carriers running out of wireless frequencies to use. Demand continues to increase, but the available bandwidth of the airwaves is not increasing.

It made me think about Star Trek's subspace radio.

Is there some other form of wireless communication we can use when the traditional wireless frequencies are all full up? What will we do in the future, 10 or 15 years from now, when demand is incredibly high but the available bandwidth is unchanged?

Will we be inventing our own 'subspace radio' some kind of wireless communication that operates outside the principles of current equipment? Is anything like that on the horizon?

If not, will Wireless communication become worth its weight in gold?

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:17 PM

WISHIMAY


I asked hubbs, who used to be forward observer and communications specialist, he said transmission of pre-determined variable codes combined with variable frequency, and a lock out on the same codes and same frequency being recieved could expand our use of frequency. (I think- he only had 2 minutes to answer, I could have misunderstood)

I remember reading something early last year about the transmission of single atoms at huge distances (I think solar system lengths), like transporter beams, but just enough to receive a message on a receiveing pad, not a whole complex person. I don't know how sound would factor in that, but I thougt I'd mention that anyways...

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


More likely the answer will come in the form of further-compressed data and "burst" communications. If you have limited bandwidth, shrink the data. MP3 and MP4 shrunk previously huge music and video files down to manageable levels; think along those lines.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:49 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Oh, and look into LiFi. Think WiFi, but with light. Your basic incandescent or LED lightbulb would be a WiFi station. Instead of radio waves, it uses imperceptible changes in light intensity to send information, somewhat along the lines of a barcode scanner, or a fiber-optic cable, but without the cable. It also has the added benefit of being far more secure than WiFi, because it stays contained in the room it's in, and doesn't go through curtains, blinds, or walls. :)

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/08/new-wireless-
technologies-lifi-and-dido.html


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, February 24, 2012 4:47 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Oh, and look into LiFi. Think WiFi, but with light. Your basic incandescent or LED lightbulb would be a WiFi station. Instead of radio waves, it uses imperceptible changes in light intensity to send information, somewhat along the lines of a barcode scanner, or a fiber-optic cable, but without the cable. It also has the added benefit of being far more secure than WiFi, because it stays contained in the room it's in, and doesn't go through curtains, blinds, or walls. :)

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/08/new-wireless-
technologies-lifi-and-dido.html


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill



Hello,

That sounds interesting for computer local area networks, but not so much for cell phones and anything portable you'd like to walk around with.

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 24, 2012 4:56 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
More likely the answer will come in the form of further-compressed data and "burst" communications. If you have limited bandwidth, shrink the data. MP3 and MP4 shrunk previously huge music and video files down to manageable levels; think along those lines.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill



Hello,

I think the companies are already in the process of doing this. But barring some remarkable new 100-1 compression ratio, they're still going to run out soon. And by soon, I mean within a generation.

Of course, I may be mistaken in thinking that the current explosion of bandwidth use will continue indefinitely. We may be close to market saturation already, and we may have reached the apex of use by wireless customers. But I'm not convinced of that. I think it will continue to grow by leaps and bounds.

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 24, 2012 5:36 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Anthony, I think you may be worrying needlessly.

*AT CURRENT RATES*, we'd run out of bandwidth by X date. But that's the rub - we likely won't keep gobbling bandwidth at current rates. It will either get more expensive as "freewidth" becomes narrower and more rare, or (more likely) devices will stop using so much of it. Right now I've got in my possession a laptop, an iPod, a cell phone, and an iPad - all of which are WiFi and/or 3G/4G connected.

Within a generation - probably within a *computer's" generation - those four things will be compressed into one. Think of a laptop/tablet/wearable hub that has a Bluetooth headset/earbud/camera unit that fits your ear, and a small portable wireless keyboard in addition to a touch screen for input. It will be the size of an iPad or smaller, but will contain a full-powered, full-featured computer, plus all your music, contacts, phone stuff, your TV and movie selections, etc. Everything you put on your pad and phone and iPod now, you'll have in a smaller, faster, lighter, AND more powerful package. And it will use less bandwidth as well.

There are more "smart" devices now than there are people on the planet, and it seems everyone who has one has four or five, at least. At some point, that's going to simplify and streamline.

This is actually one area where I *do* trust the market to adapt and improve, because if bandwidth starts getting strangled and becomes cost-prohibitive for the average person, prices WILL come down, which means that companies will fight to find ways to bring those prices down.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, February 24, 2012 5:45 AM

ANTHONYT

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Anthony, I think you may be worrying needlessly.

*AT CURRENT RATES*, we'd run out of bandwidth by X date. But that's the rub - we likely won't keep gobbling bandwidth at current rates. It will either get more expensive as "freewidth" becomes narrower and more rare, or (more likely) devices will stop using so much of it. Right now I've got in my possession a laptop, an iPod, a cell phone, and an iPad - all of which are WiFi and/or 3G/4G connected.

Within a generation - probably within a *computer's" generation - those four things will be compressed into one. Think of a laptop/tablet/wearable hub that has a Bluetooth headset/earbud/camera unit that fits your ear, and a small portable wireless keyboard in addition to a touch screen for input. It will be the size of an iPad or smaller, but will contain a full-powered, full-featured computer, plus all your music, contacts, phone stuff, your TV and movie selections, etc. Everything you put on your pad and phone and iPod now, you'll have in a smaller, faster, lighter, AND more powerful package. And it will use less bandwidth as well.

There are more "smart" devices now than there are people on the planet, and it seems everyone who has one has four or five, at least. At some point, that's going to simplify and streamline.

This is actually one area where I *do* trust the market to adapt and improve, because if bandwidth starts getting strangled and becomes cost-prohibitive for the average person, prices WILL come down, which means that companies will fight to find ways to bring those prices down.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill



Hello,

In a short sci-fi story I wrote about ten years ago, I called it an "Omni."

A thing the size of a cell with the computing power of a desktop. You carry it around with you. Do all transactions on it. Plug it into workstations at work and home. Have either an eyeglass or holo-interface while on the go.

Omni, it does it all. (tm)

;-)

--Anthony



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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 24, 2012 6:18 AM

BYTEMITE


Wishimay: well, currently we rely on a flow of electrons to fulfill simple true/false on/off conditions and switch them around. But anything can become a computer if you're creative enough, including atoms beamed one at a time someplace quantum mechanically. You'd just have to make a system of rules and a machine that would read and translate the message into sound or whatever humans will use for communication in the future.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 6:23 AM

ANTHONYT

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Hello Wish,

I bet this technology would make really good communication hub relay systems. Like for transmitting information across the planet, bypassing the usual chain of connected computers that make up the interwebs.

Which means less lag for European players who play American mmorpg's.

How sad that I often reduce the wonders of modern technology to their utility in video game applications.

--Anthony



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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, February 24, 2012 7:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Bytemite:
Wishimay: well, currently we rely on a flow of electrons to fulfill simple true/false on/off conditions and switch them around. But anything can become a computer if you're creative enough, including atoms beamed one at a time someplace quantum mechanically. You'd just have to make a system of rules and a machine that would read and translate the message into sound or whatever humans will use for communication in the future.




Exactly, and that's what I was trying - and failing - to communicate. I have an iPod that's getting e-mail right now, wirelessly, via WiFi, from my wireless router that's set up literally 3 feet away. Stupid use of bandwidth. More and more things will use more efficient, less hoggy ways of utilizing a shrinking supply of bandwidth. Your devices will use LiFi or something similar when you're close by in the same room, your car's system when you're on the road (probably wired in, or not), etc., saving the true bandwidth for "long distance" communications and the like.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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