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Chilly reception for Mitt in Motor City
Saturday, February 25, 2012 6:41 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Mr Romney, a local boy whose campaign once portrayed him as the "inevitable" candidate to challenge Barack Obama, had intended to shore up his standing on Friday with what was flagged as showpiece address on the economy. Instead, he produced a clunker in Motown. His delivery was lacklustre, his ideas rehashed from earlier speeches and his venue was a campaign presentation team's nightmare – an audience of 1,200 in a cavernous sports stadium with room for 70,000. Asked about his prospects of beating President Obama in November, he managed to play down his own hopes. "I don't think I have the best chance, I have the only chance – that may be overstating it a bit," he said, chuckling awkwardly afterwards. Even his attempts to curry favour with the car industry – whose bail-out under Mr Obama he pointedly opposed – fell flat. The multi-millionaire served up fresh ammunition for critics who portray him as an out-of-touch elitist by listing the many American-made cars in his garages – including his wife Ann's two Cadillacs
Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:08 PM
PHOENIXSHIP
Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:16 PM
BYTEMITE
Saturday, February 25, 2012 9:43 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:14 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:21 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:23 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, February 26, 2012 7:09 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The audience must have been down the street, smoking dope and drinking shots in the liquor store parking lot. Actually, that's probably a fair representation of those NOT on govt assistance, in the Detroit area.
Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The audience must have been down the street, smoking dope and drinking shots in the liquor store parking lot. Actually, that's probably a fair representation of those NOT on govt assistance, in the Detroit area. What was in your heart when you posted this?
Sunday, February 26, 2012 9:45 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: A picture, as they say, is worth a thousand words.
Sunday, February 26, 2012 10:24 AM
Sunday, February 26, 2012 2:40 PM
Sunday, February 26, 2012 5:28 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Uh huh, supposedly "popular" politician shows up and can't even get but half his target audience to show up, and no one ELSE shows up - or at least no one else they were willing to let anywhere near the pampered little prince, and what does that tell you ?
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:47 AM
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:34 AM
Quote:And no matter how you or I feel about it, there were enough folks voting Republican out there to take the House - and a lot of state governments - in 2010, and they probably haven't changed their minds in the last couple of years.
Quote:The other shoe in the saga of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's union-busting crusade dropped last week, and it landed with a ton-and-a-half thud. That's the literal weight of the more than 1 million signatures in favor of Walker's recall that progressive activists gathered over a 60-day window. That's more than 16,000 signatures collected per day. It's nearly as many people as voted for Walker in his 2010 election (1.1 million) and roughly the same number that voted for his opponent. Roughly one in every three registered Wisconsin voters signed up. And since the threshold for a recall election is 540,000 signatures, it virtually guarantees Walker will face the voters this year. But its significance extends beyond the fate of one right-wing zealot. Walker is the best known of a class of freshmen GOP governors whose conservative power grab might be Barack Obama's not-so-secret re-election weapon. Walker, you will recall, ran for governor with nary a word about breaking the backs of the state's public unions and then made it a key part of his signature administration policy, an action he later compared to dropping "the bomb." He sparked a backlash that initially took the form of mass protests, with tens of thousands of enraged Wisconsinites occupying the state capitol before "occupy" became a movement. The 1 million signatures should send a chill up the back of Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich or whoever the GOP taps to bear its standard. Wisconsin is a key swing state and the progressive movement just flexed some awfully strong organizational muscle there, sparked by Walker's ham-fisted overreach. The recall election, likely to occur in the late spring or early summer, will serve as a perfect progressive dry run for the Obama re-election in the fall. And Wisconsin is not an isolated example. The Cook Political Report lists 10 states, with 142 electoral votes, as toss-ups. In that group, with 73 total electoral votes, are four states, including Wisconsin, where first-term Republican governors are foundering in the polls after their excessive policies spurred the kind of grass-roots movements that can be a huge boon to a presidential campaign. Take Walker's neighboring colleague, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder. With the help of a GOP-controlled legislature, Snyder enacted a law that allows him to appoint "emergency financial managers" in financially troubled cities and school districts. These appointed individuals would have the power to fire actual elected officials, void union contracts, terminate services, sell off assets—even eliminate whole cities or school districts. And these localized tyrants could take these actions without any public input. It's no wonder that Michigan State University's "State of the State" poll, released in early December, found that only 19 percent of Wolverine State residents rate Snyder's performance as excellent or good (down from 31.5 percent in the spring). Critics of the law have already collected nearly 200,000 signatures for a November referendum on the law. Snyder's neighbor to the south, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, whose approval rating languishes in the mid-30s, received his stinging rebuke from the public last November. By 62 to 38 percent, voters repealed his legislative centerpiece, a Wisconsin-like law that barred public sector strikes, curtailed collective bargaining rights for public workers, and terminated binding arbitration of management-labor disputes. Opponents collected more than 1 million signatures (there's that number again) to get the issue on the ballot, and raised $30 million in support of repeal, outspending the law's defenders 3 to 1. It was a stunning win for labor unions, with help from Obama's Organizing for America, a mere year after the Ohio GOP had swept every statewide office and won the legislature. "Unions and their allies have done a lot of things transferable to next year," the University of Akron's John Green told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "In some respects, the campaign was a trial run for the presidential." Rounding out the four horsemen of the GOP's gubernatorial apocalypse is Florida Gov. Rick Scott, whom Democratic polling firm Public Policy Polling declared in December to be the nation's most disliked governor when he scored a 26 percent approval rating. That was due in part to the $1.35 billion Scott and the GOP legislature cut from education last year, as well as his push to drug-test welfare recipients. Apparently able to read the polls, Scott now wants to put $1 billion back into education funding, offsetting the spending by cutting $1.8 billion from Medicaid. While a recent Quinnipiac poll found that Scott's approval rating has soared to 38 percent (with 50 percent still disapproving), the same survey showed voters against cutting Medicaid to pay for education by 67 to 24 percent. Perhaps most alarming for Scott and the GOP is that independents disapprove of the governor by an even wider margin than Democrats. http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/01/25/why-swing-state-republican-governors-will-get-obama-re-elected]
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:45 PM
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:46 PM
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:58 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: So, because they knew he's rather unpopular in the state and that they'd get a low turnout, it's unfair to note that they had a low turnout and couldn't fill a fiftieth of the venue?
Quote: And how is it "a complete misrepresentation of the facts" to show two pictures of events that actually happened?
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:12 PM
OONJERAH
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I don't much care for Romney. I do like Ron Paul and have been impressed with how his message resonates with the masses. I'm not a huge fan of Auraptor. In this case, however, I have to concede that Raptor's cry of Foul is accurate. There is no question that the Romney camp made a P.R. blunder in moving a small gathering to a large venue. But that's the beginning and end of what we can say about this. When Romney, by design, invites the wide world to an event at a large venue, you'll be able to make a fair comparison to others who have done so. Until then, this is just comedy night fodder without much substance. --Anthony
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, I don't much care for Romney. I do like Ron Paul and have been impressed with how his message resonates with the masses. I'm not a huge fan of Auraptor. In this case, however, I have to concede that Raptor's cry of Foul is accurate. There is no question that the Romney camp made a P.R. blunder in moving a small gathering to a large venue. But that's the beginning and end of what we can say about this. When Romney, by design, invites the wide world to an event at a large venue, you'll be able to make a fair comparison to others who have done so. Until then, this is just comedy night fodder without much substance. --Anthony Anthony, are you saying that Romney's day at Ford Field wasn't a regular campaign stop, one that everyone knows about and is welcome to attend? Most area Republicans didn't even know about it? The Detroit Economic Club only was invited? And the folks making fun of him knew it? Personal responsibility is the Truth. Self determination triumphs over reaction.
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: Anthony, are you saying that Romney's day at Ford Field wasn't a regular campaign stop, one that everyone knows about and is welcome to attend? Most area Republicans didn't even know about it? The Detroit Economic Club only was invited? And the folks making fun of him knew it?
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