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For Siggy

POSTED BY: FREMDFIRMA
UPDATED: Saturday, May 19, 2012 15:30
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Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:30 AM

This go-se has been grinding my nerves a while.

Bear in mind, remember that whole hype about fingerprinting your kid in case they were kidnapped, back in the 80's ?
There was something of an assumption that yanno, that info would be private, yes ?
Mind, I ain't against the idea, but on the condition that ONLY the parents have that info, and the option to release it in an emergency under an agreement it will not be kept after that, which is something I do not trust the so-called authorities to do....

Well there were a series of burglaries in the neigborhood, and one kid at my school, in his teens then, was accused of involvement on the basis of those fingerprints, which ruined his life and prolly influenced his spiral into drugs and eventual suicide sometime later - in fact he was sneaking out with the daughter, which is why his prints were there and not at all involved in the burglaries, but that incident stuck with me a long time and certainly aided my mistrust of authority(1) and their seemingless endless desire to invade everyones friggin privacy.

So one can imagine THIS shit pisses me off pretty bad.

DHS Considers Collecting DNA From Kids; DEA and US Marshals Already Do
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/dhs-considers-collecting-dna-kid
s-dea-and-us-marshals-already-do

Cops Take School Kids' DNA in Murder Case
http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/cops-school-kids-dna-murder-case-
012952307--abc-news-topstories.html

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Samples of DNA were collected without parental consent from students at a Sacramento, Calif., middle school in connection with the murder of an 8 th grade student who was found stabbed, strangled and beaten to death near the dugout of a local park.

The Sacramento Sheriff's Department, which has been spearheading the investigation into the murder of Jessica Funk-Haslam, 13, said parental consent was not required in the DNA collection and interview of minors, several of whom were taken out of class during the day last week at Albert Einstein Middle School.

"These are interviews, not interrogations," Sheriff's Deputy Jason Ramos told ABCNews.com. "They are all consensual. Once it's done, there is a mechanism in place for school administrators to notify parents."

Really - kids can "consent" to handing over their DNA when all but threatened by the Administration and The Law ?
Uh huh, sure, right, lawfully they can't "consent" to any goddamn thing else, so this is bullshit, and you can bet your ass that like the fingerprints I mentioned above, they're *NOT* going to destroy the samples afterwords, even if they legally agree to, we know better than that.

I've been in discussions with Anonymous about the danger of those databases and the possibility of using destructive tactics in regards to this, cause the potential for abuse far outweighs the benefits and factually in practice such things are far more often used for fell purpose than any decent one, so there's almost a moral obligation here.

(1) No, they didn't get my prints that day, I utterly refused, physically resisted an attempt to force me with violence, which lead to a suspension and a bill for a tetanus shot since I *BIT* the motherfucker...
They did get em much later, in middle-school while booking me for inciting a riot, which was also BS cause all we were doing was banging trays on the cafeteria tables and shouting in protest of a host of new "rules" which had more to do with the new administrator being a goddamn control freak than anything else - I didn't cooperate that time neither, AND got maced through the screen while in the back of the cruiser by a pissed off cop cause I was insulting him, which incited me to flip onto my back and start trying to kick that damn screen down despite being handcuffed.
One of the sergeants sent those goons packing and eventually soothed my temper by talking to me like a human being, and parting with some of the departments coffee, at which point they got the prints allright, and being fascinated by the weirdness of the thing, I swiped the inkpad and they wound up with my prints ALL OVER EVERYTHING - eventually they called my mother to get me out of their hair before I drove em all insane.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PityTheKidnapper

-Frem

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:47 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to take DNA from someone's person without consent. And the frequent effort to take children's rights away from them ought to also mean they have no right to consent to such a thing- meaning parents should again be consulted. Isn't there some way to use their double-standards against them, here?

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:11 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Great, just great.

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The dratted doublepost!

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:17 AM

BYTEMITE

My parents did that to me when I was three.

Thanks a lot parents. I live in an entire family of sheep.

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:31 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to take DNA from someone's person without consent.

That's Frem's point, isn't it, although the local cops argue that it wasn't illegal? In spite of which, it's DONE-- there ain't no going back.

So the questions to be asked are how can it be prevented from happening again somewhere else? And what can be done about purging the data from the gov't's data bases, and how can it be validated that they actually purged the data?

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to take DNA from someone's person without consent. And the frequent effort to take children's rights away from them ought to also mean they have no right to consent to such a thing- meaning parents should again be consulted. Isn't there some way to use their double-standards against them, here?

--Anthony

I sure wish someone would tell that to the Austin Police Department, who routinely now have "no refusal" weekends, wherein anyone pulled over on suspicion of DUI automatically gets their blood drawn, consent or no, and they have a judge on duty throughout the weekend, on speed dial, to issue "warrants" for the blood draws.

Good luck with that whole idea about not being able to take DNA without consent. Seriously.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Saturday, May 19, 2012 3:30 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Good luck with that whole idea about not being able to take DNA without consent. Seriously.

*snicker*
And worse, you KNOW that's incitement whether it's sarcastic or not.
Prick.
*laughing*

-F

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