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TOP SENATE DEMOCRAT POINTS TO WHITE HOUSE AS SOURCE OF LEAKS
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:40 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that the White House looks like the source for at least some of the classified intelligence that has been leaked to the media. “I think the White House has to understand that some of this is coming from their ranks,” Feinstein told the World Affairs Council, as reported by the Associated Press. She said she doesn’t believe President Obama himself is the source, although no one seriously thought the President was personally picking up the phone and making surreptitious calls to journalists, or donning a slouch hat and trench coat to meet them in underground parking garages. The list of possible suspects for the leaks is shrinking fast, because Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs chairman General Martin Dempsey gave closed-door testimony to the House Armed Services Committee last Thursday, and chairman Howard “Buck” McKeon (R-Calif.) pronounced himself satisfied that the Pentagon was not the source. The Pentagon has also “announced that it was taking new steps to try to clamp down on leaks of classified information,” according to the AP. It looks like Feinstein is on a collision course with the White House, which has adamantly denied it was the source for any of the security leaks, even though they look suspiciously like the sort of information a political team would pump into the media in order to polish the President’s military credentials. “The notion that my White House would purposely release classified national security information is offensive. It’s wrong,” President Obama declared in early June. Senior campaign advisor David Axelrod echoed the President, saying “there were obvious leaks, but they weren’t from the White House.” White House spokesman Jay Carney said “any suggestion that this Administration has authorized intentional leaks of classified information for political gain is grossly irresponsible.” It’s uncertain what Senator Feinstein will do next. She has thus far supported the Justice Department’s investigation into the leaks, although Republicans have called for a special counsel, considering both the nature of the information handed to the press and the general lack of confidence in Attorney General Eric Holder’s hyper-politicized DOJ. While Feinstein has reportedly entertained the special prosecutor idea, she currently appears to prefer convening the Senate Intelligence Committee to create legislation designed to halt the leaks, a project they are scheduled to begin on Tuesday. Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), who is the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, was among the first to publicly accuse the White House of being the source for the leaks. “This is the most highly classified information, and it’s now been leaked by the Administration at the highest levels at the White House, and that’s not acceptable,” McCain said in a June 6 CBS News interview, adding that the compromised information “makes the President look very decisive,” while giving “very little credit to the other men and women who make these things happen.” (Osama bin Laden’s elimination? You didn’t build that, Mr. Obama.) Senator Feinstein isn’t nearly as tough on the Obama team as McCain, but she has now publicly joined him in asserting that at least some of the classified national security information passed along to the media came from the White House. Update: Mitt Romney will address Feinstein’s remarks in his speech to the VFW today. Excerpts from his speech were released in advance this morning: “It is reported that Bob Gates, the President’s first secretary of defense, bluntly addressed another security problem within this administration. After secret operational details of the bin Laden raid were given to reporters, Secretary Gates walked into the West Wing and told the Obama team to ‘shut up.’ He added a colorful word for emphasis. “Lives of American servicemen were at stake. But astonishingly, the administration failed to change its ways. More top-secret operations were leaked, even some involving covert action in Iran. “This isn’t a partisan issue; it’s a national security crisis. And yesterday, Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein, Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said, quote, ‘I think the White House has to understand that some of this is coming from their ranks.’ “This conduct is contemptible. It betrays our national interest. It compromises our men and women in the field. And it demands a full and prompt investigation, with explanation and consequence. Whoever provided classified information to the media, seeking political advantage for the administration, must be exposed, dismissed, and punished. The time for stonewalling is over. “It is not enough to say the matter is being looked into, and leave it at that. When the issue is the political use of highly sensitive national security information, it is unacceptable to say, ‘We’ll report our findings after Election Day.’ “Exactly who in the White House betrayed these secrets? Did a superior authorize it? These are things that Americans are entitled to know – and they are entitled to know right now. If the President believes – as he said last week – that the buck stops with him, then he owes all Americans a full and prompt accounting of the facts. “And let me be clear: These events make the decision we face in November all the more important. What kind of White House would reveal classified material for political gain? I’ll tell you right now: Mine won’t.”
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:12 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote: Senate Intelligence Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) backtracked from her comments Monday that the White House was responsible for some of the national security leaks, saying she did not know the source of the leaks. “I stated that I did not believe the president leaked classified information,” Feinstein said in the statement on Tuesday. “I shouldn’t have speculated beyond that, because the fact of the matter is I don’t know the source of the leaks.” Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney seized on Feinstein’s remarks in a speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention Tuesday, accusing President Obama of not trying to find the source of the leaks until after the election. Feinstein said that she regretted her comments were being used against Obama and said she was “disappointed” in Romney’s remarks. “I’m on record as being disturbed by these leaks, and I regret my remarks are being used to impugn President Obama or his commitment to protecting national security secrets,” Feinstein said. “I know for a fact the president is extremely troubled by these leaks. His administration has moved aggressively to appoint two independent U.S. attorneys. There is an investigation under way, and it is moving forward quickly." “I know we are in a campaign season, but I hope the investigation proceeds without political accusation or interference from anyone,” Feinstein said. http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/239783-feinstein-backtracks-on-statement-that-white-house-leaked-secrets
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:18 AM
BIGDAMNNOBODY
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Jeez, you're easy to snag; when a Democrat, even Feinstein, can getcha, you're definitely easy!
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:34 AM
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:46 AM
Quote: I didn't address the matter itself, which is of course very serious and I sincerely hope they do find out where it's coming from and stop it.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: You obviously didn't read my post, or chose to ignore it. I'll repeat the pertinent part, in hopes you can grasp it:Quote: I didn't address the matter itself, which is of course very serious and I sincerely hope they do find out where it's coming from and stop it.Grasp that, can you?
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:21 PM
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Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:00 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I get that. I really...no, wait. I don't get it. Never mind.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:01 PM
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And why do you think Obama is "the messiah"? Heck, you keep trying to tell us you're an atheist. I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:55 PM
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 3:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I get that you think that, but then again, you've proven yourself not to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:19 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: We knew there were serious leaks on matters concerning national security. But when a Sr Dem comes out and STATES that these leaks are coming from the White House, and the White House is currently occupied by a Democrat, damn skippy it's important. I'd be more inclined to think it was ' just politics ' if a Republican were in the WH. Because it's another Democrat, the messiah, no less, is extremely telling.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: That's precious, coming from a spoon like yourself.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:38 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: "These leaks ARE coming from the White House. That's another thing you can't deny." Hmmm, another claim, presented as a fact. You'd think after all this time little Rappy would have figured out the difference. I'd put money on this being another RapFact™ (ie fact-free bullshit).
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:14 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:43 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And why do you think Obama is "the messiah"? Heck, you keep trying to tell us you're an atheist. I do not think that word means what you think it means. "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero "I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: We knew there were serious leaks on matters concerning national security. But when a Sr Dem comes out and STATES that these leaks are coming from the White House, and the White House is currently occupied by a Democrat, damn skippy it's important. I'd be more inclined to think it was ' just politics ' if a Republican were in the WH. Because it's another Democrat, the messiah, no less, is extremely telling. And by some remarkable coincidence, you had zero concerns at all when it was a Republican White House leaking sensitive info about covert operatives and their identities. Tell us all again how partisan you aren't.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And why do you think Obama is "the messiah"? Heck, you keep trying to tell us you're an atheist. I do not think that word means what you think it means. Just another in a long line of pre-packaged hard-right memes he parrots out like a good little lapdog. "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: We knew there were serious leaks on matters concerning national security. But when a Sr Dem comes out and STATES that these leaks are coming from the White House, and the White House is currently occupied by a Democrat, damn skippy it's important. I'd be more inclined to think it was ' just politics ' if a Republican were in the WH. Because it's another Democrat, the messiah, no less, is extremely telling. And by some remarkable coincidence, you had zero concerns at all when it was a Republican White House leaking sensitive info about covert operatives and their identities. Tell us all again how partisan you aren't. If you're referring to the Val Plame, non leak issue, then I'm actually laughing at you,and your stupidity.
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: And why do you think Obama is "the messiah"? Heck, you keep trying to tell us you're an atheist. I do not think that word means what you think it means. Just another in a long line of pre-packaged hard-right memes he parrots out like a good little lapdog. "Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!" Which pre-packaged, hard-right memes are you referring ? The part about being an atheist ? Or the part of where Newsweek editor Evan Thomas calls Obama " God " ?
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:20 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The Left thinks he is [the messiah], and I mock the Left at this view.
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