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Campaign 2012: Smokescreen and outright lies

POSTED BY: NIKI2
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Friday, August 10, 2012 7:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ah, how wonderful we have "evolved" as a nation when it comes to political campaigns. Or not.
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The presidential campaigns are blowing smoke so thick that some voters are having a hard time peering through it.

There is a 'trusting bias' such that people are inclined to believe more than disbelieve. There is also a sort of apathy or 'cognitive laziness' where many don't do the scrutinizing necessary to try to determine if something is a truth or lie. They don't question, don't bother to fact-check," Riggio said. "So many voters simply default and think, 'He said it; it must be true.'"

What's worse, lying turns off informed voters who eventually become deeply cynical of anything campaigns put out as "spin."

"Voters are confronted with a firestorm of contentious ads, each followed by an immediate and aggressive denial, almost all of it devoid of evidence," said Joe Urbany, a University of Notre Dame marketing professor who studies the impact of negative campaign advertising. "It's impossible to distinguish fact from conjecture from fiction."

Take for example Romney's assertion that Obama wants to remove the work requirement from welfare reform.

"Under Obama's plan (for welfare), you wouldn't have to work and wouldn't have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check," a Romney ad says.

That's such a whopper that the Pulitzer Prize-winning PolitiFact website, which grades the truthfulness of politicians' statements, gave the comment a "Pants-on-Fire" rating on "Truth-O-Meter."

"The ad's claim is not accurate, and it inflames old resentments about able-bodied adults sitting around collecting public assistance. Pants on Fire!" PolitiFact wrote.

Then there's the new attack ad by a super PAC backing Obama that appears to blame Romney for a woman's death from cancer after his company, Bain Capital, shut down the steel mill where the woman's husband worked.

"When Mitt Romney closed the plant I lost my health care, and my family lost their health care," the woman's husband, Joe Soptic, says in the ad put out by Priorities USA Action, the main pro-Obama super PAC. "A short time after that, my wife became ill. I don't know how long she was sick, and I think maybe she didn't say anything because she knew we couldn't afford the insurance."

It's a sad tale, but it's not accurate. {accurate timeline can be found at http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/07/ad-linking-romney-to-death-
of-the-wife-of-a-laid-off-steelworker-not-accurate
/ , however, it's amusing that "Mitt Romney campaign spokesperson Andrea Saul said that Spotic and his deceased wife, who passed away from cancer in 2006, would have had access to health care coverage under Mitt Romney’s controversial universal health care coverage plan he passed as the governor of the Bay State. 'If people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,' said Saul." Which statement is bringing much amusement, given Romney has put as much distance between himself and "Romneycare" as possible}

Then there's the Obama campaign's relentless attacks on Romney's tenure as head of the private equity firm Bain Capital — a move GOP strategists say is a distortion.

The so-called "war-on-women" narrative deserves its own chapter in this campaign season's shades of gray. The distortions range from Romney's assertion that "women account for 92.3% of the jobs lost under Obama" — a statement that PolitiFact rated "mostly false" to an Obama ad that claimed "Romney opposed abortion, even in cases of rape and incest" — a statement that rated a "Pants on Fire" rating from PolitiFact.

To be sure, campaigns distortions aren't a new strategy. However, the tactic in this campaign season seems to be throw stuff out there and see if it sticks, and if it doesn't, try something else, Riggio said.

Many voters "focus on the lie and ignore the elements," he said, adding campaigns count on this. "If you sling so much mud at someone you figure something is going to stick."

But savvy voters will be able to distinguish truth from tall tale.

"We understand the arena and write it off to politics as usual," Urbany said. "It's dishonest to flop in soccer, but it's an accepted part of the game."

Plus, continuously distorting the truth has a price

"I think that it takes a very big and clear lie for a politician to be labeled untrustworthy," Riggio said. "Moreover, the media plays a big part in focusing on the lie, driving home the point to the level where people, all but the true supporters, label a politician a liar."

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Friday, August 10, 2012 7:33 AM

WHOZIT


Maybe Romney did give that guys wife cancer, Repulicans love doing things like that. I bet a Repulican gave Barry those bigass ears.

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Friday, August 10, 2012 3:43 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Welcome to the dark side, Niki.

If you follow the analysis sites such as PolitiFact.org, FactCheck.org, the Washinton Post FactChecker, etc., you'll find that there's just an amazing amount of distortions, distractions, and outright lies presented by both parties. You should get down on your knees and thank whatever deity you worship that you don't live in a battleground state like Virginia, where you have to endure a constant barrage of both national and local political ads. The poor mute button on our TV remote is just about worn out, and there's still three months to go.


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Saturday, August 11, 2012 4:43 AM

JONGSSTRAW


In South Florida the radio ads for Dems are pretty funny.


...stop Republicans from attacking police and firemen. --- Aw come on man, how can a lonely Republican on a Saturday night have any fun then?

...stop Republicans from throwing seniors under the bus.--- Hey, my grandma likes hanging out under the bus, so no need to throw her there.

...stop Republicans from taxing the middle class so they can give money to their rich friends.--- I'm actually really looking forward to paying more tax; and then experience first hand the thrill of seeing my money help struggling millionnaires.

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Saturday, August 11, 2012 5:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I agree, Geezer. I guess I AM grateful...is it really a constant barrage? Yuck! Out here, we get a smattering of Romney ads, a smattering of Obama ads...nothing from our soon-to-be-new Congress person, tho'. No surprise there...she'll knock the only Repub on his ass, so why bother spending money advertising? Probably put out a few ads just before the election, but otherwise, eh, why bother?

But you have my deepest sympathy if it's that bad for you guys, nobody should have to be inundated like that all the TIME!

Yeah, periodicall I have reason to check those first to. Politifact sux, in my opinion, as often as they get it right...sometimes I see things called "false" which have enough truths in them to deserve "mostly false", etc., so I don't trust them all the time. FactCheck works better, and I didn't evn KNOW there was a WaPo FactChecker...pretty sure I wouldn't trust THEM either! It's all ridiculous, and they're all assholes.

I checked into Obama's ad about the cander, and it's so far off it's laughable! They should be embarrassed to put out such drivel, it puts them in the same class as Romney!


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Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:20 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
I agree, Geezer. I guess I AM grateful...is it really a constant barrage? Yuck! Out here, we get a smattering of Romney ads, a smattering of Obama ads...nothing from our soon-to-be-new Congress person, tho'. No surprise there...she'll knock the only Repub on his ass, so why bother spending money advertising? Probably put out a few ads just before the election, but otherwise, eh, why bother?

But you have my deepest sympathy if it's that bad for you guys, nobody should have to be inundated like that all the TIME!



Not only do we get ads for the Presidential election - one or two a commercial break - but Virginia is also electing a U.S. Senator, with two former governors running neck and neck in the polls, so we'll see Kaine and Allen slagging each other until November. We can also expect ads for House races in Va. & Maryland and the Md. Senatorial seat to crank up after the conventions.

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Yeah, periodicall I have reason to check those first to. Politifact sux, in my opinion, as often as they get it right...sometimes I see things called "false" which have enough truths in them to deserve "mostly false", etc., so I don't trust them all the time. FactCheck works better, and I didn't evn KNOW there was a WaPo FactChecker...pretty sure I wouldn't trust THEM either! It's all ridiculous, and they're all assholes.


Don't always agree with the checkers either, but they are pretty good at providing leads to the information you need to see so you can make up your own mind.

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:12 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


OMG: "one or two a commercial break"-- talk about gag a maggot, it would certainly gag ME! I'd be reduced to watching nothing but DVDs and OnDemand...well, that's pretty much all I do anyway, but if I want to catch one of my favorite shows on OnDemand, I have to wait a while. For some time after they put them up, you can't fast forward past the commercials. Eventually they either take all the commercials except those for their other shows OFF, and/or let you fast forward past them. So I can't see them right away if I don't want to slog through the commercials...yuck! If I had the self-control to wait a week, I could avoid them, which I TRY to do, but I'm too weak-willed when it comes to stuff like Falling Skies, which I recently fell in love with.

The only thing I can't catch on OnDemand ar the political shows, so THERE I do have to put up with them. But what we get inundated with mostly are commercials for "clean coal" (gag) and natural gas. Those are enough for me to click off my headphones (old age = diminished hearing). I can get everything else OnDemand, so I never bother to stay up for my favorite shows anymore, I just pick them up at my OWN time later on.

I find it interesting that our soon-to-be Congressman hasn't put up ANY advertising...at least not yet. It always makes me smile; he needn't bother, as like I said, he'll wipe the floor with his Republican candidate. All we get are a few Obama ads and even fewer Romney ones. Neither of them is putting much money into CA, it's pretty much a done deal here. One more reason I love living in CA!


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Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:23 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


We were inundated by ads for David Dewhurst and Ted Cruz until the primary (just a couple weeks ago), and now we're being inundated by ads for presidential candidates. Soon we'll be hit with the rest of 'em, since we've got a new congressional district for the would-be incumbent to fight for, AND a senatorial race for Kay Bailout Hutchison's seat, along with all the state and local mess.

Not sure why Obama even bothers advertising in Texas, but I won't be voting for him. In this state that's a vote thrown in the trash (probably literally as well as figuratively, given who's in charge here!), so I'll be throwing support to Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, in hopes of getting more support (and possibly FUNDING!) for a third party.

A fool's errand, but then again, this is Texas...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:35 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Every little bit helps, eh? Think I'll end up doing the same...I'm an independent, so I can vote any party I want. Couldn't hoit...


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Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW


I've never been thrilled to live in Debbie Wasserman-Shultz's Congressional district. I might as well fly the Democrat Party flag in front of my house in Weston, Fla., but I will still vote for the Republican challenger even though she's almost a certain loser to Wasserman-Schultz. My vote for President will matter of course, as Florida may possibly decide the election....again.

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