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Clint calls Empty Chair a Hoax

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 4:41 AM

WHOZIT



http://www.pineconearchive.com/120907-1.html



The libs and the MSM say the bit didn't work, looks to me like it has become a big hit. The DNC was a trainwreck and they know it, they're making fools of themselves saying it was a hit.


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Saturday, September 8, 2012 7:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


"I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle.”


So he was TRYING to irritate the people in the middle?

That makes it even more ironic that he refers to it as "mission accomplished".



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:39 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)





You really do make it too easy, Zit.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:13 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:



You really do make it too easy, Zit.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."



Clint is cool, Bill raped a woman in 1979. Did Clint have to rape anyone? It's a shame Clint is no longger cool to you libs anymore. You can have Clooney as the KING of cool. Barry is the coolest you got....sad.

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Aw. c'mon ZIT. Clint's explanation makes about as much sense as... well, as you do!

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:18 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Aw. c'mon ZIT. Clint's explanation makes about as much sense as... well, as you do!



So Barry is the KING of cool to you libs now....um...good luck with that.

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 10:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!




Special Forces Chair


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:42 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


Special Forces Chair





Something else Romney will never mention.






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:42 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, crap, I LOVE that one!

Whatzit, you are even more deluded--and far more incapable of making any sense at all--than Raptor. The mere fact that Clint says he was aiming at the middle shows the stupidity of his "bit". How can it be a "hoax" if that's the case? That ANYONE but the far right AT the convention (who would have loved it if a chimp had done the bit) saw it as anything more than a "stumbling, bumbling", MUTTERED bit which fell flat on its face is ridiculous.

Ebert pretty much summed it up: "Clint, my hero, is coming across as sad and pathetic," tweeted Ebert. "He didn't need to do this to himself. It's unworthy of him."

So he says it was a hoax, eh? Good; Ebert will be happy to hear he wasn't doing it for real!
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Eastwood seemed to thrill the audience with his celebrity and swagger, drawing cheers and chortles — even if some of the laughter seemed of the nervous variety, of the sort one gives an elderly uncle at the Thanksgiving table in the middle of a story that doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.

“I just don’t like to see people make fun of somebody like that — no matter who it is,” said Tom Fortiwiecz from Cleveland. “It was too much.”

A Romney campaign spokesperson defended Eastwood’s performance in this statement: “Judging an American icon like Clint Eastwood through a typical political lens doesn’t work.

You're bloody well RIGHT it doesn't...politicians are supposed to at least make sense!

Some comments:
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What a mammoth fucck up/ miscalculation that was by Team Romney, allowing old man Eastwood to ramble on, and on, and on -- to make believe/ invisible Obama. Congrats on that one Team Romney lol
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It's obvious you don't understand politics. How can anyone doubt that the morning after the most important speech in Mitt Romney's life, the RNC's goal was to have the headlines and talk the next day be about Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair?
That's about it!

Even Romney's people were on the defensive about it:
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For all the finger-pointing about Clint Eastwood’s rambling conversation with an empty chair on Thursday night, the most bizarre, head-scratching 12 minutes in recent political convention history were set in motion by Mitt Romney himself and made possible by his aides.

Mr. Romney privately invited Mr. Eastwood, of “Dirty Harry” fame, to speak after the actor had given him a gravelly, full-throated endorsement at a star-studded fund-raiser at the Sun Valley Resort Lodge in Idaho this summer.

Thus began an effort by Mr. Romney’s campaign over several weeks to inject a Hollywood-style surprise into the highly scripted, tightly controlled convention where Mr. Romney would formally accept the nomination of the Republican Party to be president.

Behind the scenes, Mr. Eastwood’s convention cameo was cleared by Mr. Romney’s top message mavens, Russ Schriefer and Stuart Stevens, who drew up talking points that Mr. Eastwood included, in his own way. They gave him a time limit and flashed a blinking red light that told him his time was up. He ignored both. The actor’s decision to use a chair as a prop was last-minute, and his own.

“The prop person probably thought he was going to sit in it,” a baffled senior aide said on Thursday night.

Mr. Eastwood’s rambling and off-color appearance just moments before the biggest speech of Mr. Romney’s life instantly became a Twitter and cable-news sensation, which drowned out much of the usual postconvention analysis that his campaign had hoped to bask in.

It also startled and unsettled Mr. Romney’s top advisers and prompted a blame game among them. “Not me,” an exasperated-looking senior adviser said when asked who was responsible for Mr. Eastwood’s speech. In interviews, aides called the speech “strange” and “weird.” One described it as “theater of the absurd.”

Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin said on MSNBC that he “cringed” as he sat in the hall during Mr. Eastwood’s performance.

The speech was a reminder of how fleeting a successful political moment can be, and how carefully staged events can be upset by an unpredictable turn. And it suggested a slip-up inside the button-down, corporate-style headquarters of the Romney campaign in Boston.

Romney advisers so trusted Mr. Eastwood, 82, that unlike with other speakers, they said they did not conduct rehearsals or insist on a script or communicate guidelines for the style or format of his remarks. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/us/politics/romney-aides-scratch-the
ir-heads-over-eastwoods-speech.html#h
they knew it was a screw-up, before "Invisible Obama" hit twitter or "Eastwooding" started the next day!

If you didn't see even Ann Romney's uncomfortable reaction to it in her interview, you're blinder than Raptor.
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Ann Romney said she wished more network prime-time television viewers had seen the family video and other testimonials from fellow Mormon parishioners.

"I think it's important that people do see that side of Mitt," she said on CBS. "We appreciated Clint's support, of course. But it's so hard to really get a sense of who this person is in such a short amount of time.

"Yes, I do wish more people had seen those touching moments."

Poor Ann!



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Saturday, September 8, 2012 11:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


What's funniest of all, now that I've gone back and read the article linked at the beginning, is that even IT doesn't defend him:
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...Romney’s campaign aides asked for details about what Eastwood would say to the convention.

“They vet most of the people, but I told them, ‘You can’t do that with me, because I don’t know what I’m going to say,’” Eastwood recalled.

And while the Hollywood superstar has plenty of experience being adored by crowds, he said he hasn’t given a lot of speeches and admitted that, “I really don’t know how to.” He also hates using a teleprompter, so it was settled in his mind that when he spoke to the 10,000 people in the convention hall, and the millions more watching on television, he would do it extemporaneously.


Early Thursday morning, when Eastwood left San Jose Airport on a private jet headed for Florida, he was still making up his mind. And even with his appearance just a few hours away, all Eastwood could tell Romney’s campaign manager, Matt Rhoades, and his aides, was “to reassure them that everything I would say would be nice about Mitt Romney.”

It was only after a quick nap in his hotel room a few blocks from the convention site, Eastwood said, that he mapped out his remarks — starting with his observation about politics in Hollywood, then challenging the president about the failure of his economic policies, and wrapping up by telling the public “they don’t have to worship politicians, like they were royalty or something.”

But even then, with just an hour before he appeared on stage, it still hadn’t occurred to Eastwood to use an empty chair as a stand-in for the president.

“I got to the convention site just 15 or 20 minutes before I was scheduled to go on,” he said. “That was fine, because everything was very well organized.”

After a quick trip through airport-style security, he was taken to a Green Room, where Archbishop Dolan of New York sought him out to say hello. Then he was taken backstage to wait for his cue. And that was when inspiration struck.

“There was a stool there, and some fella kept asking me if I wanted to sit down,” Eastwood said. “When I saw the stool sitting there, it gave me the idea. I’ll just put the stool out there and I’ll talk to Mr. Obama and ask him why he didn’t keep all of the promises he made to everybody.”

He asked a stagehand to take it out to the lectern while he was being announced.

“The guy said, ‘You mean you want it at the podium?’ and I said, ‘No, just put it right there next to it.’”

But the country was listening as the television reporters and commentators covering his speech reacted to it. And they hated it.

“I have to say, as a fan, a movie fan, this was exceedingly strange. It just seemed like a very strange, unscripted moment,” said a shocked Andrea Mitchell on NBC.

“That was the weirdest thing I’ve ever seen at a political convention in my entire life,” said Rachel Maddow on MSNBC, barely concealing the condescension in her voice.

Bob Schieffer of CBS said it was “a big mistake to put Clint Eastwood on before Mitt Romney.”

On the Washington Post website, reporter Chris Cillizza wrote that “‘awkward’ may be the kindest term we can think of” to describe Eastwood’s speech.

“He hemmed. He hawed. He mumbled. He rambled,” Cillizza wrote.

And on CNN, Piers Morgan said Eastwood was “going bonkers” on the stage and said his presentation “looked like complete chaos.”

On Tuesday, Democratic Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, called Eastwood “the perfect icon of the Republican tea party: an angry old white man spewing incoherent nonsense.”

There's nothing in there about it being a "hoax", so the title of this thread is a lie. As to the weirdness of it, maybe the nap wasn't long enough... The Romney folk also said he was supposed to speak for 10 minutes, they asked him to cut it to five, the lights blinked for him to quit and he ignored them. Maybe it's his eyesight... Maybe they should vet everyone in future (if there is one)--including famous entertainers.

I watched it live. Had no expectations except that he'd speak on behalf of Romney. Within a couple of minutes I was frowning and trying to figure out what the hell he was doing. I couldn't even hear some of what he said, he muttered so. Pretty soon I was shaking my head as well as frowning, feeling embarrassed FOR him.

Mostly, poor old man. Poor Romney, upstaged by the most embarrassing thing at the RNC. Poor Ann, who KNOWS the video of Romney would have humanized him and done him much more good than Eastwood's pathetic ramblings...


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