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Sarah Palin was completely right, after all.

POSTED BY: AURAPTOR
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Friday, September 28, 2012 12:58 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Of course we all KNEW it, but sadly, it's more fun to mock and ridicule than to face the reality of what she was saying...

From Obama's own Car Czar, Steven Rattner, no less.

Quote:

OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Beyond Obamacare
By STEVEN RATTNER
Published: September 16, 2012

WE NEED DEATH PANELS

Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/opinion/health-care-reform-beyond-ob
amacare.html?_r=1
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Dress it up any gorram way you'd like, what Palin was saying is EXACTLY the truth. Just because they didn't CALL them " death panels ", doesn't mean that's what they weren't effectively going to be, unless we deep six this idiotic behemoth of O-Care.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 28, 2012 1:02 PM

CHRISISALL


Reading comprehension, AU. Work on it.

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Friday, September 28, 2012 1:10 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Reading comprehension, AU. Work on it.



That's the best you have ? Sarah was right. You're being a stubborn and useful idiot for not admitting to reality.

Sucks, don't it ?

Entitlements are an anvil to this country's economy. All O-Care has done is add more weight to our ankles, and hope we become better swimmers.



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 28, 2012 1:19 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Entitlements are an anvil to this country's economy. All O-Care has done is add more weight to our ankles, and hope we become better swimmers.

You misstate the big picture so eloquently. It's a skill.

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Friday, September 28, 2012 3:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Entitlements are an anvil to this country's economy. All O-Care has done is add more weight to our ankles, and hope we become better swimmers.

You misstate the big picture so eloquently. It's a skill.



You can't accept being had by a yokel from Wasilla, so instead of just admitting she was right, you double down on your indignation. No matter what the facts.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 28, 2012 4:15 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Interesting article. Shame you didn't read it Auraptor.

How is what Palin said any more correct now than it was then?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, September 28, 2012 4:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Interesting article. Shame you didn't read it Auraptor.

How is what Palin said any more correct now than it was then?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/palin-vs-obama-death-panels/

It's not personal. It's just war.



The title says it all...

WE NEED DEATH PANELS

That they're coming out and openly admitting it, but then trying to play the caveat game, which is nothing more than blowing smoke , and that you're BUYING this tripe... still, never ceases to amaze.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, September 28, 2012 4:56 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

The title says it all...

WE NEED DEATH PANELS


You should've read past the title.

Also, do you think Obama appointed him as 'Car Czar' to help author Obamacare?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, September 28, 2012 5:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:

Also, do you think Obama appointed him as 'Car Czar' to help author Obamacare?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Irrelevant. He still said we need death panels. You can't deny that, now can you ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:05 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Ok, we're getting there. So somebody who had nothing to do with Obamacare expresses the opinion that ONE DAY we'll need rationing in heathcare. How does this back up Sarah Palin's harebrained and histrionic comments?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, besides, we ALREADY have rationing. It's called 48.6 million people without health insurance, 26,0000 of whom are ALREADY dying prematurely every year for lack of care. Because, yanno, our system performs so well as it is!


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Saturday, September 29, 2012 3:54 AM

PENGUIN


There's a thick line between end of life discussions and death panels.





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Saturday, September 29, 2012 5:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


To rappy, no line is too thick to ignore.

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


There's a thick line between Rappy & reality, too.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, September 29, 2012 8:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ignoring all the rest of the idiocy in this thread, it turns out from his own article, Rap is saying the Ryan plan does exactly the same:
Quote:

The Republican vice-presidential nominee, Paul D. Ryan, has offered his latest ambitious plan for addressing the Medicare problem. But like Mr. Obama’s, it holds limited promise for containing the program’s escalating costs within sensible boundaries.

The Obama and Ryan plans are not without common ground; both propose an identical formula for capping the growth in Medicare spending per beneficiary. And both dip into the same toolbox (particularly lower payments to providers) to achieve a reduction of nearly $1 trillion in Medicare expenditures over the next decade from projected levels.

That’s where the agreement ends. Mr. Ryan believes that meeting the goal over the long term requires introducing more competition into Medicare through vouchers to purchase private insurance.

Under his revised plan, private insurers would be required to offer the same level of benefits as traditional Medicare, meaning that any savings would have to come from unidentified efficiencies (the ever-popular “waste, fraud and abuse”).

If the cap was breached — as it almost certainly would eventually be — Mr. Ryan blithely says, “Congress would be required to intervene.” Fat chance; Congress regularly does the opposite when it rolls back caps on payments to doctors and hospitals.

No one wants to lose an aging parent. And with price out of the equation, it’s natural for patients and their families to try every treatment, regardless of expense or efficacy. But that imposes an enormous societal cost that few other nations have been willing to bear. Many countries whose health care systems are regularly extolled — including Canada, Australia and New Zealand — have systems for rationing care.

Take Britain, which provides universal coverage with spending at proportionately almost half of American levels. Its National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence uses a complex quality-adjusted life year system to put an explicit value (up to about $48,000 per year) on a treatment’s ability to extend life.

At the least, the Independent Payment Advisory Board should be allowed to offer changes in services and costs. We may shrink from such stomach-wrenching choices, but they are inescapable.


In other words, the REPUBLICAN PLAN has exactly the same "death panels" as the AFC.

Soooo...what's the difference, exactly??? Or is Rap admitting that the Republican plan includes "death panels" exactly the same? And if he agrees that both plans have the same rationing, what is HIS alternative, I'd really like to know.

ETA: By the way, the actual quote is "Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name." Ergo, he said NOT death panels, so Rap essentially lied.


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Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:50 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Oh, look a thread from Rappy where he reminds us that he is an utter idiot. I'm glad he makes these all the time. I might forget.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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