Did anybody hear anything about this? by CaveTroll

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Did anybody hear anything about this?

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UPDATED: Monday, November 5, 2012 01:02
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Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:14 PM

19 miles from my house. Not thrilled when it seems like the media is in collusion to keep the public from hearing the news.

http://enenews.com/atmospheric-steam-dump-at-njs-salem-nuclear-plant-a
ll-6-circulators-lost-due-to-debris-and-high-river-level-after-sandy

Quote:

Feds: “Atmospheric steam dump” at New Jersey nuclear plant — All 6 circulators lost at Salem due to debris, high river level

Published: October 30th, 2012 at 8:07 pm ET
By ENENews

Title: Current Event Notification Report for October 30, 2012
Source: Nuclear Regulatory Commission
h/t Indiana Harry, jdotg

Notification Time: 10/30/2012 at 4:10 [ET]
Event Time: 10/30/2012 at 1:09 [EDT]

[...]

“Salem Unit 1 was operating at 100% reactor power when a loss of 4 condenser circulators required a manual reactor trip in accordance with station procedures. The cause of the 4 circulators being removed from service was due to a combination of high river level and detritus from Hurricane Sandy’s transit.

“All control rods inserted. A subsequent loss of the 2 remaining circulators required transition of decay heat removal from condenser steam dumps to the 11-14 MS10s (atmospheric steam dump). Decay heat removal is from the 11/12 Aux Feed Pumps to all 4 steam generators via the 11-14 MS10s. [...]

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 2:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I had heard of a nuke power plant shut down, but nothing else.

OT - What the hell was the HMS Bounty replica going out in the ocean?

Quote:
One captain, Dan Moreland of the tall ship Picton Castle, expressed disbelief at Walbridge’s decision in an interview Wednesday with the Nova Scotia Chronicle Herald. “When I first heard the Bounty was out there, I thought, ‘You’ve got to be kidding.’ This is a huge system, there is no way of avoiding this, there’s no dodging and weaving around it.”

Seems the captain went down with his ship. Sadly,
another member of the crew was lost as well, and all for the bizarre hubris of a captain who gambled, and lost.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:45 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Erm, you DO realize that Tall Ships aren't very fast, right ?
As big as that storm was, where the hell were they gonna GO, in time to dodge the bullet ?

-F

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Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:25 PM

BYTEMITE

I'm not surprised. I really think that we'll be seeing some extreme circumstances that nuclear power plants weren't designed for, and that their capacity against known and more common circumstances is greatly exaggerated.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 2:49 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
OT - What the hell was the HMS Bounty replica doing out in the ocean?

Quote:
One captain, Dan Moreland of the tall ship Picton Castle, expressed disbelief at Walbridge’s decision in an interview Wednesday with the Nova Scotia Chronicle Herald. “When I first heard the Bounty was out there, I thought, ‘You’ve got to be kidding.’ This is a huge system, there is no way of avoiding this, there’s no dodging and weaving around it.”

Seems the captain went down with his ship. Sadly,
another member of the crew was lost as well, and all for the bizarre hubris of a captain who gambled, and lost.

Apparently they would have been okay except that their engine and generator failed and they began taking on water without pumps to clear it.

In a strange twist, the other casualty of the sinking of the Bounty was Claudene Christian.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 3:03 AM

HERO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
OT - What the hell was the HMS Bounty replica doing out in the ocean?

Sinking.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Friday, November 2, 2012 3:20 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
OT - What the hell was the HMS Bounty replica doing out in the ocean?

Sinking.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

Ouch.

I get that it's not uncommon for ships to leave port to avoid getting caught in storms, but this decision, was odd from the start. The way I heard the story, was that the noted HMS Bounty had left port, trying to do just that.( Which is weird, because they also try to seek a safe harbor, when seas get rough as well )

At the time, the news reports were that it was an 'odd' thing to do, given the size of Sandy, the cold front coming from the West, and the fact that tall ship don't exactly move along at a very fast clip.

Then there were reports that, indeed, the Bounty had run into trouble, followed by the crew abandoning ship, and then it going down, and sadly, lives lost.

As I posted before...

One captain, Dan Moreland of the tall ship Picton Castle, expressed disbelief at Walbridge’s decision in an interview Wednesday with the Nova Scotia Chronicle Herald. “When I first heard the Bounty was out there, I thought, ‘You’ve got to be kidding.’ This is a huge system, there is no way of avoiding this, there’s no dodging and weaving around it.”

As a casual observer of all this, it just seemed - weird. And now tragic, is all.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 3:20 AM

CAVETROLL

I had heard that Indian River, near NYC had shut down due to being a no load condition. There was no demand for their power and in those situations they have to shut down the reactor or damage the generation equipment. I vaguely recall hearing that 1 of the two reactors at Salem had shut down also, but no details.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Friday, November 2, 2012 5:48 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I hadn't heard about it, but I'm not surprised ... (1) that it happened and (2) that they squeaked it out like a nasty fart and (3) didn't tell anyone.

What I HAD heard is that about a dozen nuclear power plants were in shutdown mode... ie, the control rods were fully inserted and the plants were offline. That doesn't get around the need for cooling, however... even plants where the neutron propagation factor is<1 still produce a lot of heat... roughly 5% of their full-operating capacity output (IIRC) which is 5% of 2000 Mega(million)watts for both Indian Point units. That is 100 MW... (does some math)... if I got this correctly, that would boil away over a thousand gallons of water each SECOND, just in shutdown mode. So even plants that are technically offline still need cooling water.

Hubby always likes to look at the worst that can happen... all of our nuclear power plants require vast amounts of cooling so they're either on large rivers, lakes, or near the ocean. Which makes them vulnerable to storm surge, flooding, or tsunami.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 7:24 AM

CAVETROLL

To be clear, Indian River is a location in Delaware, not a nuke plant. I confused the name with Indian Point NGS. Yeah, the news I had heard (Tuesday?) was the Indian Point had shut down according to protocol but had no problems. They were speaking with a representative from Indian Point at the time. They also reported 1 unit at Salem, but had no more information and nobody available for comment.

Even on my side of the Delaware there are nuclear disaster evacuation route signs warning that if you hear a siren for 20 seconds to follow the signs. 19 miles puts me in the theoretical "safe" zone were the worst to happen. But a lot of that depends on wind.

Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons

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Friday, November 2, 2012 12:32 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Been a few days ago, but I somehow missed this as well. Or, I should say, I missed any discussion on this.

Quote:

By JEREMY HAINSWORTH Associated Press
VANCOUVER, British Columbia October 28, 2012 (AP)

A magnitude 7.7 earthquake struck off the west coast of Canada, but there were no reports of major damage. Residents in parts of British Columbia were evacuated, but the province appeared to escape the biggest quake in Canada since 1949 largely unscathed.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the powerful temblor hit the Queen Charlotte Islands just after 8 p.m. local time Saturday at a depth of about 3 miles (5 kilometers) and was centered 96 miles (155 kilometers) south of Masset, British Columbia. It was felt across a wide area in British Columbia, both on its Pacific islands and on the mainland.

Looks like the Pac NW dodged one, this time.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 2, 2012 1:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Been a few days ago, but I somehow missed this as well. Or, I should say, I missed any discussion on this.

Quote:

By JEREMY HAINSWORTH Associated Press
VANCOUVER, British Columbia October 28, 2012 (AP)

A magnitude 7.7 earthquake struck off the west coast of Canada, but there were no reports of major damage. Residents in parts of British Columbia were evacuated, but the province appeared to escape the biggest quake in Canada since 1949 largely unscathed.

The U.S. Geological Survey said the powerful temblor hit the Queen Charlotte Islands just after 8 p.m. local time Saturday at a depth of about 3 miles (5 kilometers) and was centered 96 miles (155 kilometers) south of Masset, British Columbia. It was felt across a wide area in British Columbia, both on its Pacific islands and on the mainland.

Looks like the Pac NW dodged one, this time.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

I knew they posted tsunami warnings up and down the west coast, but Sandy pretty much drowned out any news of it.

Probably didn't do Mt. Ranier any big favors though.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, November 2, 2012 1:57 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Maybe in a few hundred years, we'll find out.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 2, 2012 5:06 PM

KWICKO

Or a few weeks...

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Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:42 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Right after the super volcano in Yellowstone Nat. Park erupts.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:34 AM

OONJERAH

The New Yorker

Sandy, Fukushima, and the Nuclear Industry,
posted by Evan Osnos
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/evanosnos/2012/11/sandy-fukushim
a-and-the-nuclear-industry.html?mbid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

. . . Arnie Gundersen, an industry critic who is the
chief engineer of the non-profit Fairewinds Energy
Education Corp, told Bloomberg that if Oyster Creek
had been operating, flood waters just six inches
higher could have knocked out pumps and caused a
disaster—a claim that a spokesman for the plant’s
operator, Exelon, called “unequivocally false.” Who’s
right? I asked David Lochbaum, a former nuclear-plant
engineer who directs the nuclear-safety project at the
Union of Concerned Scientists. He said, “I disagree
with Exelon’s statement that Arnie was ‘unequivocally
false.’ It’s precisely that kind of closed or narrow
mindedness that allowed Fukushima to happen.”
. . .
In our database, the United States came in second,
behind Japan, as the country with the largest number
of inadequately protected nuclear power plants. The
1938 New England hurricane triggered a storm surge as
high as 25 to 30 feet, considerably higher than waves
generated this week by Sandy. A wave that tall would
easily overtake many nuclear plants on the East Coast,
which on average lie about 20 feet above sea level,
with minimal sea wall protection. . . .

Oonj's point: Katrina and Sandy were warning shots.
It's gonna get much worse. We must get off nuclear
power. It's convenient now, will kill us later.

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:48 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Oonj's point: Katrina and Sandy were warning shots.
It's gonna get much worse. We must get off nuclear
power. It's convenient now, will kill us later.

Nuclear bad. Got it.

Oil bad.

Coal, bad too.

Hmmm...

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 9:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

As has been pointed out to me, nuclear plants by necessity must be located near large bodies of water to supply cooling. Risk isn't limited to ocean storm surges and tsunamis, it extends to rivers and lakes.

For example, this is the Fort Calhoun nuclear power plant at the time the NRC ordered a no-flyover zone. What were they afraid of I wonder - that people would get even more damning photos?

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

No timeline for full power at New Jersey nuclear reactor

Public Service Enterprise Group Inc's provided no timeline for its Salem 1 nuclear plant to fully start-up after it shut down from superstorm Sandy.

PSEG had not yet connected the plant to the regional grid, but "grid stability is not an issue at this time," Joe Delmar, a PSEG spokesman said on Saturday.

The Unit 1 Salem plant capacity is 1,174 megawatts and had ramped up to 1 percent power on Friday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/03/salem-nuclearoutage-sandy-id
USL1E8M310N20121103

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Sunday, November 4, 2012 2:06 PM

OONJERAH

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nuclear bad. Got it.

Oil bad.

Coal, bad too.

Hmmm...

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness ..."

At least now, Auraptor realizes the dangers of some forms of power.

We must be making progress!

*rofl*

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Monday, November 5, 2012 1:02 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nuclear bad. Got it.

Oil bad.

Coal, bad too.

Hmmm...

At least now, Auraptor realizes the dangers of some forms of power.

We must be making progress!

*rofl*

" Some " ?

Remove those 3 , and we're back in the middle ages. There aren't enough rives to dam around the planet to supply us power. Or solar, or wind.

My comment on those things being 'bad' was sarcastic. Sorry ya missed that.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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