Resignation of CIA Director by ANTHONYT

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Resignation of CIA Director

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UPDATED: Thursday, November 15, 2012 09:47
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Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:50 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I've been reading about this resignation, and I'm having trouble understanding it. I have no love for the intelligence agencies, but I don't get why he is resigning.

What do his relations with his wife or other women have to do with his job? Most particularly if his job involves organizing professional liars and sneaks whose purpose it is to snoop around?

Of all the reasons to resign from a job, this one baffles.

--Anthony

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 7:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Best guess I'm hearing is that there's more to it, that something beyond just the affair was close to coming out, so he got the jump on it by resigning. We may never know, or more may come out. Time will tell.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:23 AM

CHRISISALL

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 8:43 AM

HKCAVALIER

I mean, yeah, clearly. Any reason the head of the CIA is gonna give for his resignation is all but guaranteed to be cover, right? Look at the timing! Is Obama cleaning house now that he's not gonna be held accountable? Obama's had a problem with the Pentagon and the CIA since before he was elected. He's had to compromise to the point of moral failure with these agencies. Now that they can't hold his career as President over his head anymore, he's gonna get rid of some folk. No?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 9:57 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Generally speaking, extramarital affairs are bad business for the intel community because it ostensibly opens up said individuals for blackmail.

So historically, such affairs generally lead to the person being removed (voluntarily or otherwise) from the intel community.

That said, he came out with it, so there's something more to it that doesn't track.

The FBI was investigating a writer working on Petraeus's biography, supposedly for trying to get into his personal e-mails (according to the sources, anyway), which would be a big no-no. Speculation is that this is the person he was having the affair with, and they were trying to use that access to him to gain access to his personal accounts and thereby to classified info.

That's a big no-no in the intelligence services - letting yourself be played and duped like that.

So that's one part of it.

Then there's the whole Benghazi thing, which has some in CIA leaving the administration hanging out in the wind, and vice-versa. So while Petraeus's affair WOULD normally be enough to cost him his job, this just makes it even more convenient, because he can be the ceremonial fall guy for the whole clusterfuck.

So CIA may have been looking for someone internally to take the fall, fall on his sword, etc. (they don't like hiring from without, and having him forced on them as their new head rankled some, or so it's said), while the administration may have been looking to make some changes for other reasons. And then Petraeus comes in with a confession of an affair, and gives everybody all the reason they need, and they manage to wrap up several issues at once, with only one body, so to speak.

At least that's how I'm reading it.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 10:02 AM

HKCAVALIER

And Mike wins. /thread over

Excellent analysis

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 10:13 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Then there's the whole Benghazi thing, which has some in CIA leaving the administration hanging out in the wind, and vice-versa. So while Petraeus's affair WOULD normally be enough to cost him his job, this just makes it even more convenient, because he can be the ceremonial fall guy for the whole clusterfuck.

So I was wrong.

It wasn't some mid-level schmucks ready for retirement taking the rap for Benghazi (although I expect there will be some after the Senate Intel Committee hearings, a la Fast 'n Furious), but the top guy leaving under a different cloud so there's no high-level folk to pin blame on. Convenient that this didn't come out a week ago. Pretty lucky timing, eh?

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 2:07 PM

KWICKO

Lucky for everyone except Petraeus, it would seem.

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 3:49 PM

OONJERAH

The main thing to consider is ...

Will it make a good movie?

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OK --NM that!

It this good for people?
Will Obama's administration be more effective?

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Saturday, November 10, 2012 3:53 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:

It this good for people?
Will Obama's administration be more effective?

N/A, and not really.

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Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Cue convenient small plane crash or suicide in 5...4...3...

-F

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Monday, November 12, 2012 5:03 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

This just in, 7:00 PM California time Monday night:

The FBI is at the home of Paula Broadwell.

I wasn't aware that she had committed a crime. OK, maybe sending a threatening letter to a rival lover is a misdemeanor, but needing FBI investigation?

For that matter, pols and pundits are saying that this is a matter of national security. I don't see how. Did Mr. P tell her who the spies were? Did he reveal the secret codes for The Bomb? Was she going to publish the name of our guy in Tehran? Our cut-out with Neytanyahu? Was somebody gonna blackmail Mr. P if he didn't give up the big secrets? By telling his wife?

Can anybody offer a true national security justification for any of this? Except that he's a VIP and a Washington/Pentagon insider?

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Monday, November 12, 2012 11:31 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

Major Paula Broadwell, US Army Intelligence, confessed during a televised speech that General Betrayus, Obama and Hillary are guilty of warcrimes and treason to be punished by death penalty for running illegal CIA torture camps in Libya in violation of Congressional law as Regie Love performs kosher oral suction on Obama's penis.
http://piratenews-tv.blogspot.com/2012/11/general-betrayus-stars-in-sp
y-who.html

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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 2:04 AM

FREMDFIRMA

(SPECULATION)

You know, thinkin this over and crossreffing certain other information, seems to me there's more to this than scapegoating or knows-too-much, and I have some suspicions about what it might be.

It has long incensed me that the first campaign stop for american politicians is Tel Aviv, that the genocidal warmongers of the Likud party have such influence on our political system that they outweigh any domestic factor, and once the level of penetration and infiltration of our political and intelligence systems became clear in 1997 with the whole "Mega" incident on top of the AMDOCS/COMVERSE problem, conveniently overshadowed by that whole Lewinsky mess, and followed by the dog and pony show of the so-called-investigation of AIPAC, a lot of folks who weren't on that payroll started looking for ways to do something about it, not that this produced much fruit directly.

Now, with the whole 9/11 incident, a new can of worms opened not just with the well known dancing idiots, but whole cells of jackasses operating under the cover of moving companies or art students, often caught red-handed collecting intelligence on soft infrastructure targets, and some internal factions used the related scapegoating and witch-hunting in the aftermath of the disaster to purge some known cells without being really obvious about it.

So it's kind of an open secret a substantive part of our political and intelligence community is more or less Israels bitch, either working for them or subverted by them, okay ?
Maybe less so than some of the wacky fringe would have us think, but certainly enough to add an annoying element of credence to PNs nonstop ranting about it.

And so we come to this late pass, for them that missed me mentioning this elsewhere, back in October/September, Ninnyhammer (Netanyahu) out and out DEMANDED a face-to-face with president Obama after being stonewalled by Rahm Emmanuel, and Obama more or less told him to go screw himself - and when he went to whine to a couple of known congressional sympathizers, one of which was Waxman, he got thrown out of their offices.
To say he didn't take that well is an understatement, especially with their version of the supreme court loudly and publicly calling him out for direct interference in american elections, resulting in his hilariously overblown flash card presentation at the UN and followed soon by an epic temper tantrum and the Likud throwing their support behind Romney through the auspices of one Sheldon Adelson, who is a serious piece of work, I tellya...

Only they BADLY underestimated how their influence has faded, and like the american rightwingnuts believed a little too much in their own propaganda, and well know how THAT one panned out, do we not?

So... here we are.
With a president who doesn't "owe" the Likudniks a damn thing, and in small ways has been throwing wrenches in the works of their lock on us the whole time, who has a free hand to do whatever the hell he wants about it so long as he toes just enough of the line to keep various congressional sympathisers in his pocket - now what is he gonna do ?
CLEAN HOUSE, that's what.

This is all too neat, too convenient, and frankly even the accused sound and feel like their phoning it in by some kind of prepared script, like everyone KNOWS whats going on but no one can actually say it publicly and thus BOTH "sides" are fronting the same excuse.
But what really seems to be going on is an internal housecleaning, flushing out those compromised by the Likud or on their payroll, under the auspices of a "scandal" which would in most cases be all but meaningless save for access to confidential data.

Patreaus is toast, so is Gen Allen, at least one of the investigating agents has been punted, and I am sure there's more to come, but damn sure I suspect this has a LOT less to do with who's-bangin-who than it does who's fucking our country for a foreign power.

Irony of ironies is that Obama (or more likely Biden, you have NO IDEA how smart that old bastard is, no matter how stupid he plays at being!) prolly got the notion for this from Wall Streets purge of Eliot Spitzer to delay investigation of their many crimes - which came out anyway, but they got far more of a walkaway for that crap than they would have if Eliot had still been in charge, and the truth of that matter got buried in the sensationalist fluff, did it not ?

America loves a scandal, so the Obama administration has handed one out, a nice bit of bread and circuses to appease a public bored by rightwingnut whining and a lukewarm (but certainly a little more effective) response to weather disasters, keeping the attention of the media focused away from the fact that our CinC seems hellbent on putting his cheap italian shoes to the ass of every Likudnik sumbitch he can reach with Biden prolly waving pom-poms and cheering it on.
Not to mention shutting Patreaus up about the whole Benghazi thing(1)
Slick, I gotta hand out credit where it's due.

Oh, and JUST to add insult to injury about it, Ehud Olmert is over there laughing up his sleeve and crowing about it in THEIR press, insinuating that he may just try deposing Ninnyhammer - I mislike Olmert, but without a crowbar to threaten us with this time around he might be easier to deal with.

(1)-RE: Benghazi, one of the involved principals "talked", apparently the CIA was not only using the Consulate as a C3 center to coordinate the subversion and destruction of a legitimately elected government, they had also kidnapped/captured some-odd militia and had them under wraps, prolly torturing them gitmo-style...
Which is VERY likely what caused the place to be attacked.

One might have noticed a distinct lack of sympathy on my behalf for those personnel, given that "just-following-orders" cuts no ice with me when you engage in conduct even a lobotomized ape would realize was immoral.

Honestly, if say... the Iranian Consulate in New York blatantly and publicly fostered a campaign of terrorism, eventually staging a coup, slaughtering the cabinet, murdering the president and trying to prop up an Islamic radical puppet dictator - WTF do you think WE would do to THEM ?!

Cause and effect here isn't too damn hard to understand, and given the force levels involved don't whinge to me about "extra security" making one damn ounce of difference cause it would not have regardless - the difference between a couple squads and a platoon is infinitesimal when you're facing upwards of 5K potential hostiles, just ask those poor dumb bastards who survived Operation Gothic Serpent, aka the Battle of Mogadishu - which was essentially pointless anyways cause despite how we FELT about the matter, once Aidid took power most of the friggin population supported him, stopped shooting and wanted us to fekkin leave, and when we didn't, started shooting at us.

Again, the merits of leaving well the hell enough ALONE, yes ?

-Frem

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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:40 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

One interesting thing I've noticed about this is that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Rep. Dave Reichert, and apparently some of their staff, knew about the affair as early as Oct. 27, and didn't leak the information. Seems like a pretty honorable act, considering the effect it could have had on the election.

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Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:14 PM

RIPWASH

There's a lot of fishy-ness going on with this thing and it stinks to high heaven. If I read Kwicko's post right, I'm more or less in agreement with him. Something's not right about it though. Time will tell if anything comes of this catastrophe in Benghazi. I just fear it will be swept under the rug with the media's obsession over the next shiny new object.

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Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:32 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Then there's the whole Benghazi thing, which has some in CIA leaving the administration hanging out in the wind, and vice-versa. So while Petraeus's affair WOULD normally be enough to cost him his job, this just makes it even more convenient, because he can be the ceremonial fall guy for the whole clusterfuck.

So I was wrong.

It wasn't some mid-level schmucks ready for retirement taking the rap for Benghazi (although I expect there will be some after the Senate Intel Committee hearings, a la Fast 'n Furious), but the top guy leaving under a different cloud so there's no high-level folk to pin blame on. Convenient that this didn't come out a week ago. Pretty lucky timing, eh?

Quote:
One interesting thing I've noticed about this is that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Rep. Dave Reichert, and apparently some of their staff, knew about the affair as early as Oct. 27, and didn't leak the information. Seems like a pretty honorable act, considering the effect it could have had on the election.

Wow. From "lucky" to "honorable" just that fast!

Spin, boy, SPIN!

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:37 AM

KWICKO

I found this one pretty high-larious:

Video: Denver Newscast Calls Paula Broadwell's Book 'All Up In My Snatch'

Quote:
KMGH-TV, an ABC News affiliate in Denver, Colorado, mistakenly aired a photoshopped cover of Paula Broadwell's book 'All In' with the title 'All Up In My Snatch' (video below).

Broadwell is the alleged mistress of former CIA Director David Petraeus, whom she co-wrote the biographical book about.

KMGH-TV producer Deb Stanley said that the wrong book cover had been “mistakenly picked up off the Internet” and aired on Monday, reports RawStory.com.

Stanley said: “That actually happened and it was a mistake. And it was not something we created. We don’t want that mistake out there.”

A viewer captured video of the broadcast and provided it to Americablog.com via YouTube.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/foreign-policy/war-terror/vide
o-denver-newscast-calls-paula-broadwells-book-all-my-snatch

The image itself - a photoshopped version of the cover of Broadwell's book - isn't really that funny. What I find awesome is that the "news" aired it as if that were the real book, not even bothering to check up on it.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, November 15, 2012 9:47 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Let's see - scorecard now...

Gen Petraeus, Gen Allen, Gen Ham, Gen Ward (demoted), Maj Broadwell...

And that's just the ones we know about, which have recieved press attention.
Smells like a housecleaning to me.

-F

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