Supreme Court refuses case challenging full price disclosure for airlines by Niki2

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Supreme Court refuses case challenging full price disclosure for airlines

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UPDATED: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 21:48
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Monday, April 1, 2013 7:50 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Hmmmm...

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The US Supreme Court on Monday turned aside an appeal filed by Spirit Airlines alleging that a new rule requiring air carriers to disclose the full price of a ticket – including taxes and fees – violates the free speech rights of the company.

How does disclosing the full price violate free speech???

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Spirit Airlines argued that the airline industry has been deregulated since 1978, allowing individual companies to set their own fares, routes, schedules, and marketing practices.

The Department of Transportation retained authority to regulate deceptive and unfair practices. But Spirit said the new rules seek to reassert government authority over the industry by dictating the content of advertising. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0401/Supreme-Court-refuses-c
ase-challenging-full-price-disclosure-for-airlines?nav=87-frontpage-entryNineItem

Sounds like bullshit to me...am I missing something?

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Monday, April 1, 2013 8:19 AM

STORYMARK

This court is very "corporations over people" so this isn't terribly surprising. Refusing to hear it allows the corporation to win, without the court having to actually tie itself to such a decision.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, April 1, 2013 12:41 PM

MAL4PREZ

Uh... maybe I'm reading it wrong, but if the SC refuses to hear the airline's appeal, then they are in fact, for once, siding against the evil corporate power grab.

No?

Pretty damned silly of the airline, in any case, to think freedom of speech means not having to tell their customers what how much they are paying. Someone over at that airline should get a nice sharp headslap, imho.

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Monday, April 1, 2013 12:58 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

It sounds to me a little bit like deceptive advertizing with some bit of bad-faith contract. We promise you something, but we won't tell you exactly what it's going to cost, except you're obligated to pay it all b/c you agreed to it. See - right there. Your credit card number. Legally binding.

Now, I'm not sure if this applies to the Supreme Court or not, but refusing to hear it isn't the same as refusing to hear it with prejudice. Perhaps they're legally entitled to bring the case up again?

Maybe some legal scholar could answer my question.

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Monday, April 1, 2013 4:44 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Your phone and cable bills are no different.

How many of you have the "$49.99" plan for your cell phone?

How much is the check you write them every month?

I've been trying to switch my service, and all I ask is one simple question. I know it's a simple question because the current carrier charges me the same amount every month, and if THEY can figure out how much to charge me, surely someone else can figure out how much they would charge me for basically the same service, right?

Here's the question: If I go by all these conditions - X number of minutes, X number of texts, etc. - if a abide by these conditions and don't go over... HOW MUCH WILL THE BILL BE? Not how much is the basic plan, because I can very well see that your ad says it will be $29.99 a month. I want to know how much the fucking bill I pay is going to be if I don't have a single minute of overage, a single text more than allowed under the plan, a single Mb of data extra above what's included...

And they cannot tell me that. No, that's not true - they WILL NOT tell me that. Because it won't add up, and everybody knows it.

And cable is the same way. I can't wait for the day HBO and Showtime divorce themselves from cable carriers and put their services on Netflix, AppleTV, Roku, etc., a la carte.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yeah, Mal4, you got it, and Mark, you missed the details. By refusing to hear the case, they toss it back to the previous court's decision, which is AGAINST the airline.

One teeny little one for our side. I'd still like to know how they can argue that not disclosing the full price is "freedom of speech", that one made me snort...

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:07 AM

STORYMARK

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. Got it totally backwards.

Excuse me while I soak in all these sweet, sweet conservative tears.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 11:06 AM

FREMDFIRMA

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Here's the question: If I go by all these conditions - X number of minutes, X number of texts, etc. - if a abide by these conditions and don't go over... HOW MUCH WILL THE BILL BE?

Think that's bad ?
Try dealing with medical billing - even if you have SIX fully recorded instances of DEMANDING to know up front what this will cost you...

Fuck the airlines, the hospitals need a goddamn boot up the ass on this one, especially since I see docs as naught more than bio mechanics, and with a mechanic, you get a fuckin ESTIMATE, and if they go radically over it you can start some serious shit about that legally, but no, with medical care it's la la la and then bang, oh that minor little procedure, that tiny adustment... well that'll be FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS, muaahahahahah.
Yes, I am a bit crocked, that makes this by no means less true.
And makes me by no means less pissed about it.

Healthcare Isn't A Free Market, It's A Giant Economic Scam
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130222/03254422068/healthcare-isnt-
free-market-its-giant-economic-scam.shtml

At least with airlines and telecoms, the bill isn't likely to be 1600% higher than the estimate, although in some cases that cannot be said for Ticketmaster.

While I am no fan of more leglisation, this seems to need something like a truth-in-labelling act, all of it, and enforcement with sufficient teeth to make it meaningful.

-Frem

ETA/PS: Being on the hook for about $4k of this personally, which of course digs hard into that whole food on the table thing, I will *NOT*, under any cincumstances short of death itself, remove my teeth from the ankle of this provider till I have directly and provably cost them $40,000.00USD in profit as retaliation, one quarter of that vengance being already delivered, cause there's a LESSON here which damn well needs to taught!

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Tuesday, April 2, 2013 9:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... and with a mechanic, you get a fuckin ESTIMATE ..."

There's a simple answer for that, and it's DRGs - (no, not drugs, though that might be nice) - "Diagnosis-related group ... patients within each category are clinically similar and are expected to use the same level of hospital resources." WIKI So appendectomies are approximately the same, minor sutures are about the same etc. and should require on the average the same amount of reimbursement. So the theory goes.

If you find out what DRG you are, you can look up the Medicare reimbursement schedule, and voila - there's your estimate. It would be an interesting exercise to see if you can demand your DRG treatment classification code, as a matter of full disclosure and perhaps informed consent.

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