REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

A License to Vote? More GOP Lawmakers Push Voter IDs

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Friday, April 5, 2013 03:41
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 599
PAGE 1 of 1

Thursday, April 4, 2013 7:21 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Still at it...
Quote:

Residents of Virginia and Arkansas may be getting carded at places other than nightclubs come 2014. Both states have passed stricter election laws that require voters to show approved photo ID before they can cast their ballots. On Monday, the Republican-controlled Arkansas legislature overrode a veto from Democratic governor Mike Beebe, who called the law “an expensive solution in search of a problem.” Republican governor Bob McDonnell signed Virginia’s bill into law on March 26.

Both laws are part of the “endless partisan cycle of fights over the election rules,” says Rick Hasen, an election law expert and professor at the University of California at Irvine. The classic conservative argument is that such laws are needed to combat voter fraud. The classic liberal retort is that voter fraud is a red herring and such laws are really attempts to suppress voters who lean Democratic—because voting blocs like the young, elderly and minorities disproportionately lack photo ID.

Hasen, author of The Voting Wars, says that voter fraud is a small problem but that impersonation voter fraud—the type such laws protect against is “virtually non-existent."
.....
Virginia and other states like Texas that have already passed more restrictive voter ID laws have an extra hurdle to clear before the laws can go into effect. Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which is being reviewed and may be struck down by the Supreme Court, requires that states, counties and townships with a history of racial discrimination get approval from the Department of Justice before making changes to their voting laws. Hasen says “smart money” is on Section 5 soon being a thing of the past.

Bowser notes that, according to their tallies of bills and laws, more than 15 states could have stricter ID requirements heading into the 2016 elections—though changes in all those states are unlikely. Hasen predicts more states will be asking for photo ID when voters head out to choose the next President, but he says those measures won’t affect elections nearly as much as rules about voter registration or how well the polls are run. After the long lines that discouraged thousands of potential voters in 2012, Obama vowed to address the problems in his most recent State of the Union address. And to that end, he created a bipartisan commission on March 28 to study how to ease voter access. More at http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/04/a-license-to-vote-gop-lawmakers-p
ush-voter-ids/#ixzz2PW1GrtDP

I sincerely hope Obama has luck at easing voter access. Hopefully there will be enough time between now and 2014 to register and get IDs for people to exercise their right to vote; the other voter-suppression methods will go on, as they have, forever.

The article notes that
Quote:

A more powerful reason that Republicans and Democrats continually engage in these bouts over the rules, he says, is that both sides can use them to excite their bases: GOP supporters get riled up about the prospect of Democrats stealing elections and liberals get fired up about the prospect of Republicans trying to suppress them.

I concur; the difference is that getting more Republicans excited to go out and vote doesn't STOP citizens who are Democrats FROM VOTING, so if the voter-ID bullshit excites Democrats to get out and vote, and makes those it would affect get out and get IDs, that's fine with me.

The only actual facts are that voter fraud ITSELF is not a problem, and the kind of fraud these IDs would protect against is TRULY "virtually non-existent", which gives the lie to why they want it.

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:13 PM

FREMDFIRMA



And here I thought you'd be all down with this, what with that whole "reasonable restrictions" thing - after all, votes are more dangerous than guns, as more folk have been offed with the stroke of a pen than any other weapon ever.

Care to explain how this is somehow different ?
Care to explain how the itty bitty percentage of "vote fraud" doesn't justify this, when an itty bitty percentage of firearm accidents justifies the other, hmm ?

Oh wait, but this is a right YOU care about, so that's DIFFERENT, is it now ?

-Frem

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, April 5, 2013 2:52 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


"A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user." - Theodore Roosevelt


"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, April 5, 2013 3:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Glad to hear it. I've had to show my ID every time I vote, and I think everyone should have to do the same.

EQUALITY. Isn't that what the Left always whines about ?

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

Resident USA Freedom Fundie

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Mon, November 10, 2025 10:22 - 6310 posts
Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Mon, November 10, 2025 10:19 - 9276 posts
Do you feel like the winds of change are blowing today too?
Mon, November 10, 2025 09:32 - 3827 posts
Legitimate gripes about Trump
Mon, November 10, 2025 05:20 - 160 posts
Trump Slams Dems, Calls on Court To Clarify How To Legally Fund SNAP
Mon, November 10, 2025 04:03 - 6 posts
Trump Is Destroying Everything He Touches
Sun, November 9, 2025 19:21 - 864 posts
Gaslighting about voter turnout by Vox
Sun, November 9, 2025 02:53 - 1 posts
Great Financial Collapse, 2026 version?
Sat, November 8, 2025 19:12 - 13 posts
From CRT to Campus Protest: The Making of a Mamdani Voter
Sat, November 8, 2025 17:21 - 12 posts
The Thread of Court Cases Trump Is Winning
Sat, November 8, 2025 16:51 - 78 posts
Charlie Kirk Shot While Answering Question About Trans Shooters
Fri, November 7, 2025 18:34 - 40 posts
NBC Chicago: 8 hurt when man in Colorado hurls ‘flamethrower' at group supporting Israeli hostages: What we know
Fri, November 7, 2025 15:58 - 14 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL